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	<title>Comments on: Does Bob Nardelli Work for Cerberus or Chrysler?</title>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT maybe, or maybe not: over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/12/guest-post-how-can-no-one-see-imminent.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NakedCapitalism&lt;/a&gt; Yves has nice little throw-in amid today’s Links post:&lt;/p&gt;
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What the story does mention that the products were marketed heavily overseas, what it does not mention is that the synthetic CDOs were typically against a large group of names, say 100. Payment was triggered if defaults exceeded a certain level. The lists contained names that sounded solid to foreigners, like Citigroup, GM, but were anything but. Some have alleged that the lists were deliberately seeded with famous names that had reasonable odds of failure.
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&lt;p&gt;Note that these synthetic CDOs, like credit default swaps and many other derivatives, are 1) handy tools for gathering and redistributing funds; and 2) responsive to visible and well-defined triggering events, should the designers so choose.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Joyeux Festivus, all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT maybe, or maybe not: over at <a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/12/guest-post-how-can-no-one-see-imminent.html" rel="nofollow">NakedCapitalism</a> Yves has nice little throw-in amid today’s Links post:</p>
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What the story does mention that the products were marketed heavily overseas, what it does not mention is that the synthetic CDOs were typically against a large group of names, say 100. Payment was triggered if defaults exceeded a certain level. The lists contained names that sounded solid to foreigners, like Citigroup, GM, but were anything but. Some have alleged that the lists were deliberately seeded with famous names that had reasonable odds of failure.
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<p>Note that these synthetic CDOs, like credit default swaps and many other derivatives, are 1) handy tools for gathering and redistributing funds; and 2) responsive to visible and well-defined triggering events, should the designers so choose.</p>
<p>Joyeux Festivus, all.</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nardelli &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mutualofamerica.com/articles/Fortune/2002_06_27/homedepot1.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;early in his Home Depot tenure (from June, 2002)&lt;/a&gt;; even in a small-college football conference, a 195lb offensive guard is likely to be a rather tiring personality.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sure enough, Nardelli &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16469224/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ending his HD tenure&lt;/a&gt; in a manner befitting the classic horror genre (from Jan. 9, 2007):&lt;/p&gt;
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According to people familiar with the situation, while store workers were celebrating, the former CEO was already fielding calls from private equity firms interested in his formidable operational talents. The bright side for Nardelli in the world of privately owned corporations, of course, is that he won’t have to deal with any annual meetings or shareholder questions.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whereupon &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118636224931188685.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Executive Suite Nightmare II: Six Sigma Dawn over Detroit&lt;/a&gt;. In a daring move, &lt;i&gt;WSJ&lt;/i&gt; breaks genre in the piece, giving us an intricate, postcontemporary multi-character study, with portraits of seemingly familiar characters delineated by the telling historical detail:&lt;/p&gt;
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[As he arrived at HD, Nardelli] didn’t have much experience with consumers or the fickle nature of the retail business. He lured to the company several of his former GE colleagues, who also lacked retail experience.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr. Nardelli instituted a military intern program that put Marines at his desk outside his office door, company officials have said. It came to symbolize Mr. Nardelli’s ill-fated tenure at the company. His pugnacious manner helped to drive off many talented and long-tenured executives, while many employees at its 2,000 stores felt demoralized.
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&lt;p&gt;Those who insist that narratives be strictly differentiable might have some trouble with these consecutive paragraphs:&lt;/p&gt;
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Mr. Nardelli began to draw shareholders’ ire. His compensation in his six years at the helm — prior to his massive severance payment — exceeded $124 million, excluding certain equity awards. As well, some investors questioned his decision to expand into the low-margin wholesale supply business.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr. Nardelli’s experience at GE is one of the main reasons why Cerberus wanted him. Many of Cerberus advisers and executives are made up of former GE employees. Cerberus is also a big believer in the Six Sigma system and other lean management strategies, according to people familiar with the matter.
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&lt;p&gt;On one hand, all these pictures do suggest that maybe Nardelli is capable in operations —at GE he also had reputedly good working relations with the unions— but poor at seeing the big picture. A person like that could be usefully placed where others want someone around whom they can manuver reliably. Or on the other hand maybe he’s a very good gearshifter of wide-ranging experience.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nardelli <a href="http://www.mutualofamerica.com/articles/Fortune/2002_06_27/homedepot1.asp" rel="nofollow">early in his Home Depot tenure (from June, 2002)</a>; even in a small-college football conference, a 195lb offensive guard is likely to be a rather tiring personality.</p>
<p>Sure enough, Nardelli <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16469224/" rel="nofollow">ending his HD tenure</a> in a manner befitting the classic horror genre (from Jan. 9, 2007):</p>
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According to people familiar with the situation, while store workers were celebrating, the former CEO was already fielding calls from private equity firms interested in his formidable operational talents. The bright side for Nardelli in the world of privately owned corporations, of course, is that he won’t have to deal with any annual meetings or shareholder questions.
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<p>Whereupon <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118636224931188685.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news" rel="nofollow">Executive Suite Nightmare II: Six Sigma Dawn over Detroit</a>. In a daring move, <i>WSJ</i> breaks genre in the piece, giving us an intricate, postcontemporary multi-character study, with portraits of seemingly familiar characters delineated by the telling historical detail:</p>
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[As he arrived at HD, Nardelli] didn’t have much experience with consumers or the fickle nature of the retail business. He lured to the company several of his former GE colleagues, who also lacked retail experience.</p>
<p>Mr. Nardelli instituted a military intern program that put Marines at his desk outside his office door, company officials have said. It came to symbolize Mr. Nardelli’s ill-fated tenure at the company. His pugnacious manner helped to drive off many talented and long-tenured executives, while many employees at its 2,000 stores felt demoralized.
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<p>Those who insist that narratives be strictly differentiable might have some trouble with these consecutive paragraphs:</p>
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Mr. Nardelli began to draw shareholders’ ire. His compensation in his six years at the helm — prior to his massive severance payment — exceeded $124 million, excluding certain equity awards. As well, some investors questioned his decision to expand into the low-margin wholesale supply business.</p>
<p>Mr. Nardelli’s experience at GE is one of the main reasons why Cerberus wanted him. Many of Cerberus advisers and executives are made up of former GE employees. Cerberus is also a big believer in the Six Sigma system and other lean management strategies, according to people familiar with the matter.
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<p>On one hand, all these pictures do suggest that maybe Nardelli is capable in operations —at GE he also had reputedly good working relations with the unions— but poor at seeing the big picture. A person like that could be usefully placed where others want someone around whom they can manuver reliably. Or on the other hand maybe he’s a very good gearshifter of wide-ranging experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I believe “Mission Accomplished” is the phrase you’re searching for there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe “Mission Accomplished” is the phrase you’re searching for there.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How, what an enticing result for the CDS holders who bet on Chrysler to go under, eh?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People seem to equate this bailout to the early 80s bailout; that is leading to widespread misunderstanding of what’s at stake, but also of who stands to win (and lose).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Back then, no Cerberus, or Goldman Sachs, or other “Private Equity” players were buying CDS ‘insurance’ (from AIG and CIti and others), basically ‘hedging’ their bets against the odds that Chrysler would tank.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But in this new playground, we can’t even count the number of players waiting  in the wings to swoop in and collect those Credit DEFAULT Swaps once Chrysler is declared bankrupt, now can we…?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How, what an enticing result for the CDS holders who bet on Chrysler to go under, eh?</p>
<p>People seem to equate this bailout to the early 80s bailout; that is leading to widespread misunderstanding of what’s at stake, but also of who stands to win (and lose).</p>
<p>Back then, no Cerberus, or Goldman Sachs, or other “Private Equity” players were buying CDS ‘insurance’ (from AIG and CIti and others), basically ‘hedging’ their bets against the odds that Chrysler would tank.</p>
<p>But in this new playground, we can’t even count the number of players waiting  in the wings to swoop in and collect those Credit DEFAULT Swaps once Chrysler is declared bankrupt, now can we…?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Crikey, you separate Chrysler from Chrysler finance and give the naked Chrysler to the union, you are signing a death warrant for both Chrysler and the union.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crikey, you separate Chrysler from Chrysler finance and give the naked Chrysler to the union, you are signing a death warrant for both Chrysler and the union.</p>
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		<title>By: PierceNichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>PierceNichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hrm… I think a UAW takeover of Chrsyler might be the only way to save Chrysler. They’d have to try pretty hard to do a worse job of running it than the stooges who have been. Perhaps predicate a bridge loan on that… but make sure that everyone is convinced that there is no third rescue for Chrysler — if the union can’t run it successfully, then no-one’s going to save their bacon. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Personally, I think the first bailout of Chrysler (back in the 80s) has a good deal to do with the current auto industry problems, because it taught the Detroit 3 that if they got into really serious trouble, good old Uncle Sugar was going to come and bail their sorry asses out. There was therefore no really strong kick in the ass to change their internal cultures in a way that would allow them to match their overseas competition.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hrm… I think a UAW takeover of Chrsyler might be the only way to save Chrysler. They’d have to try pretty hard to do a worse job of running it than the stooges who have been. Perhaps predicate a bridge loan on that… but make sure that everyone is convinced that there is no third rescue for Chrysler — if the union can’t run it successfully, then no-one’s going to save their bacon. </p>
<p>Personally, I think the first bailout of Chrysler (back in the 80s) has a good deal to do with the current auto industry problems, because it taught the Detroit 3 that if they got into really serious trouble, good old Uncle Sugar was going to come and bail their sorry asses out. There was therefore no really strong kick in the ass to change their internal cultures in a way that would allow them to match their overseas competition.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Available data suggests that Cerberus is better off with a bankruptcy, as then the CDS behind the scenes will pay off. They’re certainly not going to take on additional liability.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sure looks that way; as &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:randiego@10&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;randiego@10&lt;/a&gt; said, ‘the fix was in’. But the nature and composition of the fix is still worth delineating, eh?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First, Cerberus may have been stuck with more toxic mortgage assets than they’d anticipated, so the Wall Street bailout is almost certainly helping with that — unless they ALSO bet against those toxic assets. In which case, the Wall Street bailout is almost certainly helping with &lt;em&gt;those&lt;/em&gt;toxic assets, also.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wow, if anyone has a ‘outrage meter repair kit’ for super-cheap, I need one. Like randiego, mine’s completely busted up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And just to note how busted mine is, I can’t even laugh at the dark irony of Paulson having been CEO of Goldman Sachs, which sold plenty of derivatives.  So yeah, looks like Nardelli is screwed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Black is now white.  Up is now down.  In is not out.  Et cetera.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Available data suggests that Cerberus is better off with a bankruptcy, as then the CDS behind the scenes will pay off. They’re certainly not going to take on additional liability.</p>
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<p>Sure looks that way; as <a href="mailto:randiego@10" rel="nofollow">randiego@10</a> said, ‘the fix was in’. But the nature and composition of the fix is still worth delineating, eh?</p>
<p>First, Cerberus may have been stuck with more toxic mortgage assets than they’d anticipated, so the Wall Street bailout is almost certainly helping with that — unless they ALSO bet against those toxic assets. In which case, the Wall Street bailout is almost certainly helping with <em>those</em>toxic assets, also.</p>
<p>Wow, if anyone has a ‘outrage meter repair kit’ for super-cheap, I need one. Like randiego, mine’s completely busted up.</p>
<p>And just to note how busted mine is, I can’t even laugh at the dark irony of Paulson having been CEO of Goldman Sachs, which sold plenty of derivatives.  So yeah, looks like Nardelli is screwed.</p>
<p>Black is now white.  Up is now down.  In is not out.  Et cetera.</p>
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		<title>By: wavpeac</title>
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		<dc:creator>wavpeac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, you have me there. Stephen King got the idea for “Children of the Corn” traveling Nebraska’s interstate 80 on his way to the college world series. (or so the story goes.) Honestly, I love big lakes, but I have to tell you that taking a hike down the platte river, that spreads a 1/2 mile wide is pretty amazing. I have a constant craving to be where there are no human beings and a hike down the river can provide that kind of experience. One of our favorite family outings is to hike along the Platte on a hundred degree day. Sand bars, nature, and for some reason it’s so easy to imagine pioneers traveling the river. It is hauntingly beautiful, in it’s own way. And the sandhills are amazing. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once in a conversation with a colleague at University of Pennsylvania, she asked “I have a friend raised on the east coast who moved to Nebraska and never came back. Why in the world would anyone ever do that?” When I was in college, I met a girl from New York. I was going to school in MS. I told her I was from Nebraska, just a state above MS. She said “Where is Nebraska?” I remember being totally shocked. How could she get through 8th grade and not know? My goodness I had to memorize every state in the nation, even the little ones up in the northeast. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not to hijack the tread off topic here, but we liberal Nebraskans might have a bit of a self esteem issue. Yes, Omaha voted Obama…which was great, but I discovered this blog in a desperate search for a different kind of discussion than the ones I was having in Omaha. Nebraska, like everywhere has it’s strengths and weaknesses.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you have me there. Stephen King got the idea for “Children of the Corn” traveling Nebraska’s interstate 80 on his way to the college world series. (or so the story goes.) Honestly, I love big lakes, but I have to tell you that taking a hike down the platte river, that spreads a 1/2 mile wide is pretty amazing. I have a constant craving to be where there are no human beings and a hike down the river can provide that kind of experience. One of our favorite family outings is to hike along the Platte on a hundred degree day. Sand bars, nature, and for some reason it’s so easy to imagine pioneers traveling the river. It is hauntingly beautiful, in it’s own way. And the sandhills are amazing. </p>
<p>Once in a conversation with a colleague at University of Pennsylvania, she asked “I have a friend raised on the east coast who moved to Nebraska and never came back. Why in the world would anyone ever do that?” When I was in college, I met a girl from New York. I was going to school in MS. I told her I was from Nebraska, just a state above MS. She said “Where is Nebraska?” I remember being totally shocked. How could she get through 8th grade and not know? My goodness I had to memorize every state in the nation, even the little ones up in the northeast. </p>
<p>Not to hijack the tread off topic here, but we liberal Nebraskans might have a bit of a self esteem issue. Yes, Omaha voted Obama…which was great, but I discovered this blog in a desperate search for a different kind of discussion than the ones I was having in Omaha. Nebraska, like everywhere has it’s strengths and weaknesses.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnLopresti</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnLopresti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@6 Platte country is special like the overture to the massif of CO, “treeless, lake-less” is resolvable, ask the teens, the way I understood it, you know which farmer has a pond on a dirt road in the rolling topology of the plains between cornfields.  It is a little archaic, but people do the same things there as are teens wont.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@6 Platte country is special like the overture to the massif of CO, “treeless, lake-less” is resolvable, ask the teens, the way I understood it, you know which farmer has a pond on a dirt road in the rolling topology of the plains between cornfields.  It is a little archaic, but people do the same things there as are teens wont.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s the suggestion already. As my lat post on this made clear, they want UAW and their other creditors to take everything, all of Chrysler. That is walking away.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s the suggestion already. As my lat post on this made clear, they want UAW and their other creditors to take everything, all of Chrysler. That is walking away.</p>
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