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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/19/blagojevich-presser-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-121614</link>
		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;What the hell gives with Governors, anyway?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Insularity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regarding Chicago, I’d been waiting with bated breath to see which enclave, finding itself unexpectedly thrust into [inter!]national view, [and then the ride showed up; 4 hours later …] would be the first to learn how out of the mainstream they were. Blago and crew might not be the first, but they’re certainly the loudest to date.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What the hell gives with Governors, anyway?</i></p>
<p>Insularity.</p>
<p>Regarding Chicago, I’d been waiting with bated breath to see which enclave, finding itself unexpectedly thrust into [inter!]national view, [and then the ride showed up; 4 hours later …] would be the first to learn how out of the mainstream they were. Blago and crew might not be the first, but they’re certainly the loudest to date.</p>
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		<title>By: lokywoky</title>
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		<dc:creator>lokywoky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The reason he can’t take questions is because he’s too dumb to know when he’s saying something that will get him in more trouble.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He’s been under investigation for over four years, and just the day before he was arrested he was bragging that if anyone wanted to listen to his phone calls go ahead - he didn’t have anything to hide.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Very next day - Fitz is playing tapes of his phone calls.  Ha!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason he can’t take questions is because he’s too dumb to know when he’s saying something that will get him in more trouble.</p>
<p>He’s been under investigation for over four years, and just the day before he was arrested he was bragging that if anyone wanted to listen to his phone calls go ahead &#8211; he didn’t have anything to hide.  </p>
<p>Very next day &#8211; Fitz is playing tapes of his phone calls.  Ha!</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Different, I think.  I may be remembering a 2-sentence he-said/he-said thing from Marketplace radio, or it might have been from Olberman or Maddow on The TV Machine.  (The brain, she no remember so good no more.)  Boiled down to Blago’s atty saying in a presser that the wiretaps were illegally obtained, followed Fitz’ office replying that actually yes, a judge approved it good &amp; proper, in advance even.  That’s all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Different, I think.  I may be remembering a 2-sentence he-said/he-said thing from Marketplace radio, or it might have been from Olberman or Maddow on The TV Machine.  (The brain, she no remember so good no more.)  Boiled down to Blago’s atty saying in a presser that the wiretaps were illegally obtained, followed Fitz’ office replying that actually yes, a judge approved it good &amp; proper, in advance even.  That’s all.</p>
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		<title>By: KiwiJackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>KiwiJackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the help Margot.  Don’t get the fine points since don’t comment often here, just read- had to go for a while so I didn’t reply right away.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think I had something else in mind though, something like this&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Well, that was short&lt;/em&gt; and feeble.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the help Margot.  Don’t get the fine points since don’t comment often here, just read- had to go for a while so I didn’t reply right away.</p>
<p>I think I had something else in mind though, something like this</p>
<p><em>Well, that was short</em> and feeble.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;46 - enough to hold up my slackening jaw. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>46 &#8211; enough to hold up my slackening jaw. </p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
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		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s an awkward poem to quote because it doesn’t actually get anywhere unless you quote the whole thing — it’s entirely a series of subordinate clauses until you get to the end. I haven’t been able to watch yet (just read the transcript), to hear whether Blago twisted one of those in the delivery to make it sound as though it was going somewhere, but in the original, it doesn’t, not all by itself.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s an awkward poem to quote because it doesn’t actually get anywhere unless you quote the whole thing — it’s entirely a series of subordinate clauses until you get to the end. I haven’t been able to watch yet (just read the transcript), to hear whether Blago twisted one of those in the delivery to make it sound as though it was going somewhere, but in the original, it doesn’t, not all by itself.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;From the time of the Keith case, and with the benefit of FISA and the Church commission we’ve now “progressed” to where the illegal surveillance info will be hidden, lied about, asserted as being “legalized” by Congress, etc. and the DOJ will be re-writing the outcome of the Keith case - at least, that’s a probability guess on my part.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cleaned and pressed.  How would you like your starch maam?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>From the time of the Keith case, and with the benefit of FISA and the Church commission we’ve now “progressed” to where the illegal surveillance info will be hidden, lied about, asserted as being “legalized” by Congress, etc. and the DOJ will be re-writing the outcome of the Keith case &#8211; at least, that’s a probability guess on my part.</p>
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<p>Cleaned and pressed.  How would you like your starch maam?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;5 - I don’t know if this is what you mean or not, but I think I heard a passing reference to the fact that the campaign offices in general, as well as phones, were bugged and someone at the presser tried to ask a kind of off the wall question about whether or not Fitzgerald hadn’t just done the same thing that the Plumbers did in Watergate and he pretty disdainfully dismissed that. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the wiretapping front, I have to kind of think that, while Fitzgerald got warrants and “his” surveillance was presumptively legal (until defense counsel gets a shot at the warrants) Blago, along with a cast of thousands and thousands, was ALSO the subject of unconstitutional wiretapping as well.  Remember the Obama Seal of Approval program? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Back in the day (which isn’t this day) it was the illegal wiretaps of the White Panthers - wiretaps that supposedly the lawyers handling the criminal case against them didn’t even know anything about when they filed charges;  wiretaps that were supposedly just for “national security” purposes; and wiretaps that were only “targeting” the other part of the calls - those were the taps at issue in the Keith case and that ended up cratering the whole case.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, here the DOJ won’t be coughing  up the illegal taps like it did when Judge Keith made his orders.  This DOJ has figured out it doesn’t have to do anything but lie to the courts and destroy evidence and the courts are pretty acquiescent.  From the time of the Keith case, and with the benefit of FISA and the Church commission we’ve now “progressed” to where the illegal surveillance info will be hidden, lied about, asserted as being “legalized” by Congress, etc. and the DOJ will be re-writing the outcome of the Keith case - at least, that’s a probability guess on my part.  With so many thousands the subject of illegal surveillance, how would you follow the Keith precedents and ever be able to convice anyone of anything?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5 &#8211; I don’t know if this is what you mean or not, but I think I heard a passing reference to the fact that the campaign offices in general, as well as phones, were bugged and someone at the presser tried to ask a kind of off the wall question about whether or not Fitzgerald hadn’t just done the same thing that the Plumbers did in Watergate and he pretty disdainfully dismissed that. </p>
<p>On the wiretapping front, I have to kind of think that, while Fitzgerald got warrants and “his” surveillance was presumptively legal (until defense counsel gets a shot at the warrants) Blago, along with a cast of thousands and thousands, was ALSO the subject of unconstitutional wiretapping as well.  Remember the Obama Seal of Approval program? </p>
<p>Back in the day (which isn’t this day) it was the illegal wiretaps of the White Panthers &#8211; wiretaps that supposedly the lawyers handling the criminal case against them didn’t even know anything about when they filed charges;  wiretaps that were supposedly just for “national security” purposes; and wiretaps that were only “targeting” the other part of the calls &#8211; those were the taps at issue in the Keith case and that ended up cratering the whole case.  </p>
<p>Of course, here the DOJ won’t be coughing  up the illegal taps like it did when Judge Keith made his orders.  This DOJ has figured out it doesn’t have to do anything but lie to the courts and destroy evidence and the courts are pretty acquiescent.  From the time of the Keith case, and with the benefit of FISA and the Church commission we’ve now “progressed” to where the illegal surveillance info will be hidden, lied about, asserted as being “legalized” by Congress, etc. and the DOJ will be re-writing the outcome of the Keith case &#8211; at least, that’s a probability guess on my part.  With so many thousands the subject of illegal surveillance, how would you follow the Keith precedents and ever be able to convice anyone of anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There’s an “I don’t know, he’s never Kippled!” joke in there somewhere.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s an “I don’t know, he’s never Kippled!” joke in there somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Kipling? He’s quoting Kipling?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who knew Kipling used the letters U, C and K so much?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did it go something like…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Shere Khan&lt;/strong&gt;: Bravo, Bravo. An extraordinary performance. And thank you for entertaining my victim&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Kipling? He’s quoting Kipling?</p>
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<p>Who knew Kipling used the letters U, C and K so much?</p>
<p>Did it go something like…</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Shere Khan</strong>: Bravo, Bravo. An extraordinary performance. And thank you for entertaining my victim</p>
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