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		<title>By: sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EW, Good post.&lt;br /&gt;
Has the white collar auto workers (non union workers) been asked to make cutbacks? Is it in comparison as with the union workers?&lt;br /&gt;
What’s the retirement packages are for the white collar workers in the auto co’s? The general public is so used to all the talk being about the Union workers but the white collar work force is nearly as large as the blue collar work force in the auto industry.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EW, Good post.<br />
Has the white collar auto workers (non union workers) been asked to make cutbacks? Is it in comparison as with the union workers?<br />
What’s the retirement packages are for the white collar workers in the auto co’s? The general public is so used to all the talk being about the Union workers but the white collar work force is nearly as large as the blue collar work force in the auto industry.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yup.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup.</p>
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		<title>By: lexalexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>lexalexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And if we applied Japanese rules to everything, we’d have government-funded health care and those costs wouldn’t be the burden to the automakers that they are now, too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if we applied Japanese rules to everything, we’d have government-funded health care and those costs wouldn’t be the burden to the automakers that they are now, too.</p>
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		<title>By: MrTentacle</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrTentacle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Just wondering if the 35 Senators asking for United Auto Workers to take a pay cut. Would be willing to take the lead and set a date for a pay cut?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If they really want to drive their point home, all 35 senators should accept the same hourly wages and benefits provided by the foreign auto makers, since this is the benchmark they are pushing.  This includes, of course, punching a time card, elimination of expense accounts and housing allowances. etc.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just wondering if the 35 Senators asking for United Auto Workers to take a pay cut. Would be willing to take the lead and set a date for a pay cut?</p>
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<p>If they really want to drive their point home, all 35 senators should accept the same hourly wages and benefits provided by the foreign auto makers, since this is the benchmark they are pushing.  This includes, of course, punching a time card, elimination of expense accounts and housing allowances. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;buying the GOP claim that it’s the UAW’s fault that Congress couldn’t give the auto companies a loan.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Having viewed clips on the Internet showing white union people literally going door-to-door, making phone calls on behalf of Obama and Dems, and helping push new Dem Senators, as well as Obama, it’s evident that entire new social networks have emerged.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Evidently, the GOP thinks that it can use the US Senate and courts to shut them down; that is a &lt;em&gt;huge&lt;/em&gt; misjudgment.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The blowback against Cerberus and its fellow travelers hasn’t even started to begin yet.  Just to underscore that point, note that TPM is highlighting a Bloomberg report today that the Fed (Paulson?) is &lt;em&gt;refusing to reveal &lt;/em&gt;information about where $2 Trillion in loans went:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&amp;sid=apx7XNLnZZlc&amp;refer=home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/.....refer=home&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First, the NYT shouldn’t waste its time quoting GOP Senators; instead, it should be reporting on GOP comments in its Obit section.  I suspect that what’s really happening here is the Death Watch of the GOP, which is dying of self-inflicted wounds.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I didn’t expect K-k-k-Karl Rove’s GOP to die of suicide, but that’s sure what it looks like today.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>buying the GOP claim that it’s the UAW’s fault that Congress couldn’t give the auto companies a loan.</p>
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<p>Having viewed clips on the Internet showing white union people literally going door-to-door, making phone calls on behalf of Obama and Dems, and helping push new Dem Senators, as well as Obama, it’s evident that entire new social networks have emerged.  </p>
<p>Evidently, the GOP thinks that it can use the US Senate and courts to shut them down; that is a <em>huge</em> misjudgment.  </p>
<p>The blowback against Cerberus and its fellow travelers hasn’t even started to begin yet.  Just to underscore that point, note that TPM is highlighting a Bloomberg report today that the Fed (Paulson?) is <em>refusing to reveal </em>information about where $2 Trillion in loans went:<br /><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&amp;sid=apx7XNLnZZlc&amp;refer=home" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/&#8230;..refer=home</a></p>
<p>First, the NYT shouldn’t waste its time quoting GOP Senators; instead, it should be reporting on GOP comments in its Obit section.  I suspect that what’s really happening here is the Death Watch of the GOP, which is dying of self-inflicted wounds.</p>
<p>I didn’t expect K-k-k-Karl Rove’s GOP to die of suicide, but that’s sure what it looks like today.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;A new Senate star emerges from the auto row&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Thursday talks fail, but Tennessee Republican Corker has new stature&lt;br /&gt;
By Tom Curry&lt;br /&gt;
National affairs writer&lt;br /&gt;
msnbc.com, updated 9:09 a.m. ET, Fri., Dec. 12, 2008&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28179431/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28179431/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why does Bob Corker hate Americans who work for domestic car companies but not Americans who work for foreign car companies so much that he would risk the entire industry, its supply chain and investors like you and me who through the choice of our retirement investments have part of our retirements invested in auto?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Someone ought to ask Tom Curry what constitutes being a “new Senate star.” Maybe Sen. Selby told him that was the case, in a shrewd move to deflect the fame.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>A new Senate star emerges from the auto row</strong><br />
Thursday talks fail, but Tennessee Republican Corker has new stature<br />
By Tom Curry<br />
National affairs writer<br />
msnbc.com, updated 9:09 a.m. ET, Fri., Dec. 12, 2008<br /><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28179431/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28179431/</a></p>
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<p>Why does Bob Corker hate Americans who work for domestic car companies but not Americans who work for foreign car companies so much that he would risk the entire industry, its supply chain and investors like you and me who through the choice of our retirement investments have part of our retirements invested in auto?  </p>
<p>Someone ought to ask Tom Curry what constitutes being a “new Senate star.” Maybe Sen. Selby told him that was the case, in a shrewd move to deflect the fame.</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I found this gem in the reader’s responses to bobo’s gibberish de jour&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;where exactly is Glen Arbor Michigan ???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;You have no idea about the rage that is brewing here. If General Sherman reappeared and proposed a march south, he could raise an army in no time.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;some may think I’m crazy, but I’m not the only one …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;with apologies to John Lennon&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this gem in the reader’s responses to bobo’s gibberish de jour</p>
<p>where exactly is Glen Arbor Michigan ???</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>You have no idea about the rage that is brewing here. If General Sherman reappeared and proposed a march south, he could raise an army in no time.</strong></p>
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<p>some may think I’m crazy, but I’m not the only one …</p>
<p><em>with apologies to John Lennon</em></p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just wondering if the 35 Senators asking for United Auto Workers to take a pay cut.  Would be willing to take the lead and set a date for a pay cut?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congress: Rank-and-File Members’ Salary&lt;br /&gt;
The current salary (2008) for rank-and-file members of the House and Senate is $169,300 per year.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    * Members are free to turn down pay increase and some choose to do so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    * In a complex system of calculations, administered by the Office of Personnel Management, congressional pay rates also affect the salaries for federal judges and other senior government executives.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    * During the Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin considered proposing that elected government officials not be paid for their service. Other Founding Fathers, however, decided otherwise.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    * From 1789 to 1815, members of Congress received only a per diem (daily payment) of $6.00 while in session. Members began receiving an annual salary in 1815, when they were paid $1,500 per year.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congress: Leadership Members’ Salary (110th Congress)&lt;br /&gt;
Leaders of the House and Senate are paid a higher salary than rank-and-file members.&lt;br /&gt;
Senate Leadership&lt;br /&gt;
Majority Leader - $188,100&lt;br /&gt;
Minority Leader - $188,100&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;House Leadership&lt;br /&gt;
Speaker of the House - $217,400&lt;br /&gt;
Majority Leader - $188,100&lt;br /&gt;
Minority Leader - $188,100&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A cost-of-living-adjustment (COLA) increase takes effect annually unless Congress votes to not accept it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Corker could have taken the lead&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://askville.amazon.com/salary-senator/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=15190812&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://askville.amazon.com/sal.....d=15190812&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering if the 35 Senators asking for United Auto Workers to take a pay cut.  Would be willing to take the lead and set a date for a pay cut?</p>
<p>Congress: Rank-and-File Members’ Salary<br />
The current salary (2008) for rank-and-file members of the House and Senate is $169,300 per year.</p>
<p>    * Members are free to turn down pay increase and some choose to do so.</p>
<p>    * In a complex system of calculations, administered by the Office of Personnel Management, congressional pay rates also affect the salaries for federal judges and other senior government executives.</p>
<p>    * During the Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin considered proposing that elected government officials not be paid for their service. Other Founding Fathers, however, decided otherwise.</p>
<p>    * From 1789 to 1815, members of Congress received only a per diem (daily payment) of $6.00 while in session. Members began receiving an annual salary in 1815, when they were paid $1,500 per year.</p>
<p>Congress: Leadership Members’ Salary (110th Congress)<br />
Leaders of the House and Senate are paid a higher salary than rank-and-file members.<br />
Senate Leadership<br />
Majority Leader &#8211; $188,100<br />
Minority Leader &#8211; $188,100</p>
<p>House Leadership<br />
Speaker of the House &#8211; $217,400<br />
Majority Leader &#8211; $188,100<br />
Minority Leader &#8211; $188,100</p>
<p>A cost-of-living-adjustment (COLA) increase takes effect annually unless Congress votes to not accept it.</p>
<p>Corker could have taken the lead</p>
<p><a href="http://askville.amazon.com/salary-senator/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=15190812" rel="nofollow">http://askville.amazon.com/sal&#8230;..d=15190812</a></p>
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		<title>By: oldnslow</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldnslow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;… the GOP claim that it’s the UAW’s fault that Congress couldn’t give the auto companies a loan.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, the UAW is more powerfull than Congress?  That is teh awesome.  Who knew?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>… the GOP claim that it’s the UAW’s fault that Congress couldn’t give the auto companies a loan.</em></p>
<p>So, the UAW is more powerfull than Congress?  That is teh awesome.  Who knew?</p>
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		<title>By: SparklestheIguana</title>
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		<dc:creator>SparklestheIguana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey, if we apply Japanese rules to everything then everyone in Congress who has disgraced themselves (the list is long) would have to commit hari-kari.  THEN think how many strange Senator replacement shenanigans we’d have to endure….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, if we apply Japanese rules to everything then everyone in Congress who has disgraced themselves (the list is long) would have to commit hari-kari.  THEN think how many strange Senator replacement shenanigans we’d have to endure….</p>
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