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	<title>Comments on: The (Draft) Auto Bridge Loan Plan</title>
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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/the-draft-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-118544</link>
		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All morning my brain has been floating me a picture…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;* GOP standing next to economy, blown it’s head (regulator) off w/smoking shotgun, neck gushing like Old Faithful.  GOP: “That ought’a fix it”.&lt;br /&gt;
* Nurse Pauslen w/thermometer up economy’s ass: “How do you read this thing… I think it’s frozen.”&lt;br /&gt;
* Barney Frank injecting TARP syringe: “could only find 350cc’s of this stuff.”&lt;br /&gt;
* Smiling Dem Donkey applying  turnicate to ankle: “We’re trying to stop the bleeding.”&lt;br /&gt;
* Obama sprinting in w/defibrillator on his chest, electrodes in each hand connected to GM power source (”we’ll have a few volts for you in 2011!!!”)… BO: “There’s hope… it just needs a good jolt.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;* Bush: “Fundamentals look strong!!!”&lt;br /&gt;
* Hillary: “Let’s make it universal.”&lt;br /&gt;
* Wall Street: “Has he hit bottom yet?”&lt;br /&gt;
* James Dobson: “God’s punishment for gay marriage.”&lt;br /&gt;
* Norquist w/his tub: “Just needs a little bath.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe one of Tole’s little characters in bottom right: “We need a commission to study the problem.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Geezus… no wonder we’re broke.  Sure am sitting here feeling damn good about all the hrs put in these last 8 yrs getting this progressive gubernnment in there, yes’sirreee.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All morning my brain has been floating me a picture…</p>
<p>* GOP standing next to economy, blown it’s head (regulator) off w/smoking shotgun, neck gushing like Old Faithful.  GOP: “That ought’a fix it”.<br />
* Nurse Pauslen w/thermometer up economy’s ass: “How do you read this thing… I think it’s frozen.”<br />
* Barney Frank injecting TARP syringe: “could only find 350cc’s of this stuff.”<br />
* Smiling Dem Donkey applying  turnicate to ankle: “We’re trying to stop the bleeding.”<br />
* Obama sprinting in w/defibrillator on his chest, electrodes in each hand connected to GM power source (”we’ll have a few volts for you in 2011!!!”)… BO: “There’s hope… it just needs a good jolt.”</p>
<p>…</p>
<p>* Bush: “Fundamentals look strong!!!”<br />
* Hillary: “Let’s make it universal.”<br />
* Wall Street: “Has he hit bottom yet?”<br />
* James Dobson: “God’s punishment for gay marriage.”<br />
* Norquist w/his tub: “Just needs a little bath.”</p>
<p>Maybe one of Tole’s little characters in bottom right: “We need a commission to study the problem.”</p>
<p>…</p>
<p>Geezus… no wonder we’re broke.  Sure am sitting here feeling damn good about all the hrs put in these last 8 yrs getting this progressive gubernnment in there, yes’sirreee.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree Jane is not trying to get under their skins, of course that is not her intentnion.  She is calm cool and factual and this in and of itself seems to “get under their skin”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Jane is not trying to get under their skins, of course that is not her intentnion.  She is calm cool and factual and this in and of itself seems to “get under their skin”</p>
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		<title>By: JimWhite</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/the-draft-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-118530</link>
		<dc:creator>JimWhite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pelosi is &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_on_go_co/congress_autos&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;floating a trial balloon&lt;/a&gt; for car czar:&lt;br /&gt;
Paul Volcker&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Calling punaise:&lt;br /&gt;
Car czar Volcker vouches for Volt.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi is <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_on_go_co/congress_autos" rel="nofollow">floating a trial balloon</a> for car czar:<br />
Paul Volcker</p>
<p>Calling punaise:<br />
Car czar Volcker vouches for Volt.</p>
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		<title>By: wavpeac</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/the-draft-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-118529</link>
		<dc:creator>wavpeac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Where were all those hijackers from?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where were all those hijackers from?</p>
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		<title>By: wavpeac</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/the-draft-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-118527</link>
		<dc:creator>wavpeac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Couple points:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) One, the art of listening. Nonjudgmental stance. People who are good listeners are able to hear from a position of learning instead of dogma. Ineffective listeners are dogmatic, have an agenda and put information into that format. They miss the nuances and information outside of their dogmatic views. Rachel, Bill Moyers (so gifted in this respect and honored by communication guru’s across the nation)are very adept at clearing their own preconceived notions as they “hear” or “consider” or “learn” from the other person. Then they might format what they hear and synthesize it into their own biases…but while hearing they try to remain free of the judgments. We I teach “active listening” to our hotline staff, I teach nonjudgmental stance. We put all the judgments we can on the table and debunk them before putting them on the lines. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2)Is there a relationship between the current oil prices and the bail outs? Citibank and cerberus ties to Saudi? Is congress currently being held over a barrel? (of oil?) Just wondering if there might be a connection and what the connection might be. Could it explain why they treated citibank so differently? I have no clue about this stuff, the complexity of it all is mind boggling. It’s no wonder poor people haven’t a clue about what has happened to them over the last 8 years. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3) I still think that the finance industry would like to keep mainstream America from understanding how much fraud has been going on. The numbers of posts that exist explaining and detailing the exact same fraud that I experienced in my mortgage and that many, many have experienced with credit cards (misapplied payments, unexplained fees, etc…) still have not surfaced as part of the problem. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I understand one problem at a time, but some of these moves seems to serve these companies in keeping this from coming to light. There have been two differing worlds. One for the poor where the finance industries could do whatever they wanted to you, violating laws left and right, and making big bucks off the poor, stripping the poor, (hmmm sucking the blood out of them) and one for the wealthy and the credit worthy that would keep them from understanding the depth of the law breaking for the “other side”. I still feel this is the untold story and that it explains the foundation of what has happened in the finance industry. In the end the extent of the law breaking is going to boggle the mind. The extent of the damage to our economy, the american people and to the credit of Americans. These corrupt practices gutted our credit and finance system. One might even wonder if it had anything to do with terrorism?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple points:</p>
<p>1) One, the art of listening. Nonjudgmental stance. People who are good listeners are able to hear from a position of learning instead of dogma. Ineffective listeners are dogmatic, have an agenda and put information into that format. They miss the nuances and information outside of their dogmatic views. Rachel, Bill Moyers (so gifted in this respect and honored by communication guru’s across the nation)are very adept at clearing their own preconceived notions as they “hear” or “consider” or “learn” from the other person. Then they might format what they hear and synthesize it into their own biases…but while hearing they try to remain free of the judgments. We I teach “active listening” to our hotline staff, I teach nonjudgmental stance. We put all the judgments we can on the table and debunk them before putting them on the lines. </p>
<p>2)Is there a relationship between the current oil prices and the bail outs? Citibank and cerberus ties to Saudi? Is congress currently being held over a barrel? (of oil?) Just wondering if there might be a connection and what the connection might be. Could it explain why they treated citibank so differently? I have no clue about this stuff, the complexity of it all is mind boggling. It’s no wonder poor people haven’t a clue about what has happened to them over the last 8 years. </p>
<p>3) I still think that the finance industry would like to keep mainstream America from understanding how much fraud has been going on. The numbers of posts that exist explaining and detailing the exact same fraud that I experienced in my mortgage and that many, many have experienced with credit cards (misapplied payments, unexplained fees, etc…) still have not surfaced as part of the problem. </p>
<p>I understand one problem at a time, but some of these moves seems to serve these companies in keeping this from coming to light. There have been two differing worlds. One for the poor where the finance industries could do whatever they wanted to you, violating laws left and right, and making big bucks off the poor, stripping the poor, (hmmm sucking the blood out of them) and one for the wealthy and the credit worthy that would keep them from understanding the depth of the law breaking for the “other side”. I still feel this is the untold story and that it explains the foundation of what has happened in the finance industry. In the end the extent of the law breaking is going to boggle the mind. The extent of the damage to our economy, the american people and to the credit of Americans. These corrupt practices gutted our credit and finance system. One might even wonder if it had anything to do with terrorism?</p>
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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/the-draft-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-118526</link>
		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Reading your summary Marcy, looks to me like dems are pork barreling their own bailout bill… they just can’t help themselves.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also looks like, after they did TARP with a patriotic zeal while forgetting to lift the covers and figure out exactly what problem their .75T$ was gon’a fix, they’re oopsie “what-have-we-rott(ened)” recriminations kind’a looking like impetus to take a few posthumous whacks at this bridge-loan… won’t really accomplish whole hellu’ve a lot, but gosh darn it maybe it’ll make ‘em feel better about themselves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Got’a luv ‘em!!! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But really, what’s the hurry anyway?  They’ve still got a couple weeks before GM goes toes up, I’m sure they’ll iron out the wrinkles.     &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll tell ‘ya… sure makes me proud to watch this demockracy thingie @ work… good thing we’ve got a State Dept to promote it around the globe and a Pentagon to force those who don’t want it to eat it anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nuth’n but &lt;em&gt;change&lt;/em&gt; AFAI can see… yes weeee can!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading your summary Marcy, looks to me like dems are pork barreling their own bailout bill… they just can’t help themselves.  </p>
<p>Also looks like, after they did TARP with a patriotic zeal while forgetting to lift the covers and figure out exactly what problem their .75T$ was gon’a fix, they’re oopsie “what-have-we-rott(ened)” recriminations kind’a looking like impetus to take a few posthumous whacks at this bridge-loan… won’t really accomplish whole hellu’ve a lot, but gosh darn it maybe it’ll make ‘em feel better about themselves.</p>
<p>Got’a luv ‘em!!! </p>
<p>But really, what’s the hurry anyway?  They’ve still got a couple weeks before GM goes toes up, I’m sure they’ll iron out the wrinkles.     </p>
<p>I’ll tell ‘ya… sure makes me proud to watch this demockracy thingie @ work… good thing we’ve got a State Dept to promote it around the globe and a Pentagon to force those who don’t want it to eat it anyway.</p>
<p>Nuth’n but <em>change</em> AFAI can see… yes weeee can!!!</p>
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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/the-draft-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-118525</link>
		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;My diesel Ram can get up to 23 mpg when I keep the speed in the 60’s and a shade over 19 when I’m in a hurry. Not bad for something big enough to do the work around a horse farm.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They’ve had huge failure rate of transmissions in those things.  I read a couple years ago Cummins had threatened to stop supplying motors because of ‘em.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My diesel Ram can get up to 23 mpg when I keep the speed in the 60’s and a shade over 19 when I’m in a hurry. Not bad for something big enough to do the work around a horse farm.</p>
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<p>They’ve had huge failure rate of transmissions in those things.  I read a couple years ago Cummins had threatened to stop supplying motors because of ‘em.</p>
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		<title>By: JTMinIA</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/the-draft-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-118524</link>
		<dc:creator>JTMinIA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is it true that when Dan Quayle named his holding company he was trying for the name of his favorite comic-strip aardvark, but misspelled the name?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(It’s almost two here and I’m a tad punchy.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it true that when Dan Quayle named his holding company he was trying for the name of his favorite comic-strip aardvark, but misspelled the name?</p>
<p>(It’s almost two here and I’m a tad punchy.)</p>
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		<title>By: Larue</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/the-draft-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-118522</link>
		<dc:creator>Larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Romney Rolls Rollicking Regarding Wheelie Whoopee!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romney Rolls Rollicking Regarding Wheelie Whoopee!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Larue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good lord, that’s got to be one of yer best . . . although, that I understood it’s every word might disqualify it . . . *G*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nicely woven P-     *G*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good lord, that’s got to be one of yer best . . . although, that I understood it’s every word might disqualify it . . . *G*</p>
<p>Nicely woven P-     *G*</p>
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