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	<title>Comments on: James Jones versus Hillary in the Middle East</title>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/jim-jones-versus-hillary-in-the-middle-east/comment-page-1/#comment-117079</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think Jones will bring some refreshing and much needed new views and strategies in the I/P oonflict. Hillary has voted to many times with the I lobby to have any faith in.&lt;br /&gt;
 A dear friend is back in Hebron for his 16th time..he said the situation is worse than ever before.  Some of the Christian Peace Maker Team members have been beat up by settlers after walking Palestinian kids to school and some Olive tree protection scuffles&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jones will bring some refreshing and much needed new views and strategies in the I/P oonflict. Hillary has voted to many times with the I lobby to have any faith in.<br />
 A dear friend is back in Hebron for his 16th time..he said the situation is worse than ever before.  Some of the Christian Peace Maker Team members have been beat up by settlers after walking Palestinian kids to school and some Olive tree protection scuffles</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Discontent been brewing and breeding for 50 years.  The daily humiliation and abusive treatment dished out to many Palestinians by Israeli soldiers and settlers would get under anyone’s skin.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discontent been brewing and breeding for 50 years.  The daily humiliation and abusive treatment dished out to many Palestinians by Israeli soldiers and settlers would get under anyone’s skin.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 05:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Or not.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or not.</p>
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		<title>By: skippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 04:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;well the great thing about obama having named jim jones to his administration is that at least now all those “drinking the kool aid” jokes will actually be funny.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well the great thing about obama having named jim jones to his administration is that at least now all those “drinking the kool aid” jokes will actually be funny.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/jim-jones-versus-hillary-in-the-middle-east/comment-page-1/#comment-116891</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Energy and ‘national security’ are two sides of the same coin.&lt;br /&gt;
Change the basis of energy, and inadvertently the form of ’security’ will alter. And vice versa.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Part of my childhood was spent downwind from the Hanford Nuclear Reservation, so from a practical point of view I think the Iranians are nuts to build nuclear plants — even if they claim that its for heat and lighting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, the French manage.&lt;br /&gt;
So do the Japanese, but the Japanese have excellent engineers — yet they are on an earthquake fault line.  And one of their nuclear reactors was seriously scary a few years back after an earthquake occurred while a reactor was operating. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Iran is on an earthquake fault, and IIRC they’d have the Russians build their facility… (dunno where I read that…) Now, personally, I wouldn’t be very excited to have the same outfit that built Chernobyl creating my new nuclear facility, but hey — maybe I’m too snippity?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Problems remain: military and munitions can’t solve water shortages, food shortages, or problems related to population pressures and soil depletion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So: we have new problems.&lt;br /&gt;
They are driven by biological factors.&lt;br /&gt;
They require new solutions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whether leadership in Congress and the WH will be courageous, bold and/or desperate enough to call bullshit on unworkable systems remains to be seen.  I’m not holding my breath, but at the same time it does appear that smart people are quite fed up with the existing structures that are NOT functioning, and can’t be sustained.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Energy and ‘national security’ are two sides of the same coin.<br />
Change the basis of energy, and inadvertently the form of ’security’ will alter. And vice versa.</p>
<p>Part of my childhood was spent downwind from the Hanford Nuclear Reservation, so from a practical point of view I think the Iranians are nuts to build nuclear plants — even if they claim that its for heat and lighting.</p>
<p>Yeah, the French manage.<br />
So do the Japanese, but the Japanese have excellent engineers — yet they are on an earthquake fault line.  And one of their nuclear reactors was seriously scary a few years back after an earthquake occurred while a reactor was operating. </p>
<p>Iran is on an earthquake fault, and IIRC they’d have the Russians build their facility… (dunno where I read that…) Now, personally, I wouldn’t be very excited to have the same outfit that built Chernobyl creating my new nuclear facility, but hey — maybe I’m too snippity?</p>
<p>Problems remain: military and munitions can’t solve water shortages, food shortages, or problems related to population pressures and soil depletion.</p>
<p>So: we have new problems.<br />
They are driven by biological factors.<br />
They require new solutions.</p>
<p>Whether leadership in Congress and the WH will be courageous, bold and/or desperate enough to call bullshit on unworkable systems remains to be seen.  I’m not holding my breath, but at the same time it does appear that smart people are quite fed up with the existing structures that are NOT functioning, and can’t be sustained.</p>
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		<title>By: bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;to add to your comments - depleted uranium and warfare byproducts, which seem to be present in greater amounts in these same areas is in direct conflict with your biological concerns… it seems the military option, whether it be the selling or use of these products is a primary economic driver in the usa today.. to change that would be a good step in the right direction, but it would have a severe impact on an economy already facing many challenges… my guess is the movement towards war and more war continues and the respect for habitat remains an ignored concern by most, especially those in the halls of ‘financial and political’ power…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to add to your comments &#8211; depleted uranium and warfare byproducts, which seem to be present in greater amounts in these same areas is in direct conflict with your biological concerns… it seems the military option, whether it be the selling or use of these products is a primary economic driver in the usa today.. to change that would be a good step in the right direction, but it would have a severe impact on an economy already facing many challenges… my guess is the movement towards war and more war continues and the respect for habitat remains an ignored concern by most, especially those in the halls of ‘financial and political’ power…</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here’s what I ought to have typed:&lt;br /&gt;
Under Condaleeza Rice and Stephen Hadley, the Bu$hCo ideologues ignored biological indicators; no wonder they got side-swipped by crisis, after crisis, after crisis. Honestly, anyone reading the &lt;em&gt;Christian Science Monitor&lt;/em&gt; or the &lt;em&gt;New Yorker&lt;/em&gt; could have spotted the gestation of problems in Afghanistan, Dafur, and many other places. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s hoping that BOTH Clinton and Gen Jones focus on the underlying biological, climatology, economic, and demographic data that makes for good decision-making. I define that approach as ’soft power’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Call me picky, but it doesn’t appear that the Heritage Foundation or the Wingnut Think Tanks fundamentally grasp the very serious implications of a problem as seemingly ‘boring’ as soil degradation — whether in Niger, Thailand, Nebraska, or Brazil.  Thus, &lt;em&gt;they have no solutions&lt;/em&gt; to problems caused by depleted soils (e.g., flooding, erosion, drought, famine…).  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I assume, therefore, that the Wingnut Think Tankers will oppose both Hillary Clinton and Gen Jones at every possible opportunity, aided, funded, and abetted by war profiteers and drug cartels who like things just the chaotic, dysfunctional way they are.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But bullets don’t feed people.&lt;br /&gt;
And even exporting relief programs doesn’t work over time; just adds to destabilizing dynamics.&lt;br /&gt;
Therein lies the opportunity for Clinton, Jones, and Obama.&lt;br /&gt;
Because the old, munitions-based ’solutions’ haven’t worked, they’ll have to try something different.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s what I ought to have typed:<br />
Under Condaleeza Rice and Stephen Hadley, the Bu$hCo ideologues ignored biological indicators; no wonder they got side-swipped by crisis, after crisis, after crisis. Honestly, anyone reading the <em>Christian Science Monitor</em> or the <em>New Yorker</em> could have spotted the gestation of problems in Afghanistan, Dafur, and many other places. </p>
<p>Here’s hoping that BOTH Clinton and Gen Jones focus on the underlying biological, climatology, economic, and demographic data that makes for good decision-making. I define that approach as ’soft power’.</p>
<p>Call me picky, but it doesn’t appear that the Heritage Foundation or the Wingnut Think Tanks fundamentally grasp the very serious implications of a problem as seemingly ‘boring’ as soil degradation — whether in Niger, Thailand, Nebraska, or Brazil.  Thus, <em>they have no solutions</em> to problems caused by depleted soils (e.g., flooding, erosion, drought, famine…).  </p>
<p>I assume, therefore, that the Wingnut Think Tankers will oppose both Hillary Clinton and Gen Jones at every possible opportunity, aided, funded, and abetted by war profiteers and drug cartels who like things just the chaotic, dysfunctional way they are.</p>
<p>But bullets don’t feed people.<br />
And even exporting relief programs doesn’t work over time; just adds to destabilizing dynamics.<br />
Therein lies the opportunity for Clinton, Jones, and Obama.<br />
Because the old, munitions-based ’solutions’ haven’t worked, they’ll have to try something different.</p>
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		<title>By: MadDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Regardless of past policy positions held, I would remark that much of the future foreign policy will be tremendously influenced by how well (or not) the Obama poker players get along.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of past policy positions held, I would remark that much of the future foreign policy will be tremendously influenced by how well (or not) the Obama poker players get along.</p>
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		<title>By: bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;it’s more fun being an optimist then a pessimist.. as for the past usa history of neutrality in the middle east is non existent..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it’s more fun being an optimist then a pessimist.. as for the past usa history of neutrality in the middle east is non existent..</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think Marcy’s post right here shows exactly the overall balance that is being set up by Obama, which is diametrically different than what you describe.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Marcy’s post right here shows exactly the overall balance that is being set up by Obama, which is diametrically different than what you describe.</p>
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