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		<title>By: plunger</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/28/still-in-turkey-coma-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-116793</link>
		<dc:creator>plunger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Mumbai Lie:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You’ll recall that just a couple days prior to Thanksgiving “unnamed intelligence sources” indicated a potential terror threat to the New York - Long Island train system - reinvigorating the fear factor in all Americans just in time for the Macy’s Day Parade.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then - Miraculously - a reminder of those evil terrorist’s ability to pull off well orchestrated attacks surfaced not 36 hours later, in Mumbai, India.  I said at the time that the source of the prior New York Warning (the CIA - ISI - MI6 - Mossad) and those who carried out the attacks in India were one and the same.  It was all done purposefully.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.infowars.com/?p=6222&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.infowars.com/?p=6222&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was NOT “Al Qaeda.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mumbai Lie:</p>
<p>You’ll recall that just a couple days prior to Thanksgiving “unnamed intelligence sources” indicated a potential terror threat to the New York &#8211; Long Island train system &#8211; reinvigorating the fear factor in all Americans just in time for the Macy’s Day Parade.</p>
<p>Then &#8211; Miraculously &#8211; a reminder of those evil terrorist’s ability to pull off well orchestrated attacks surfaced not 36 hours later, in Mumbai, India.  I said at the time that the source of the prior New York Warning (the CIA &#8211; ISI &#8211; MI6 &#8211; Mossad) and those who carried out the attacks in India were one and the same.  It was all done purposefully.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.infowars.com/?p=6222" rel="nofollow">http://www.infowars.com/?p=6222</a></p>
<p>It was NOT “Al Qaeda.”</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/28/still-in-turkey-coma-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-116792</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You guys are really part of the larger Great LAkes states–even if you have better healthcare.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are really part of the larger Great LAkes states–even if you have better healthcare.</p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/28/still-in-turkey-coma-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-116791</link>
		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We have perfect Northern Spies here right now, although I suppose you could think of southern Ontario as an extension of upstate NY. Guilty confession: although we are also great apple country and I buy locally as much as poss, my favourite cooking apple is the Granny Smith, which I believe we import from South Africa. I don’t understand how that works, but the Granny Smith is one fine green apple.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have perfect Northern Spies here right now, although I suppose you could think of southern Ontario as an extension of upstate NY. Guilty confession: although we are also great apple country and I buy locally as much as poss, my favourite cooking apple is the Granny Smith, which I believe we import from South Africa. I don’t understand how that works, but the Granny Smith is one fine green apple.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/28/still-in-turkey-coma-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-116790</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Mine came from an orchard down outside of Ypsilanti. I think they’ve added Spies in the last several years–I had worried I wouldn’t be able to find them at the Farmers, but was wrong.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is one of the beautiful things about apples: Northern Spy Apples are apparently regional to the NE, with a distribution extending as far as the Detroit area, and maybe not much further. Many great varieties of apple are only available locally, and you have to know about them. Its just varieties like the “Macintosh” that get a national distribution. A Northern Spy Apple grown outside of its primary area might well yield fruit, but maybe not as good as what EW describes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mine came from an orchard down outside of Ypsilanti. I think they’ve added Spies in the last several years–I had worried I wouldn’t be able to find them at the Farmers, but was wrong.</p>
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<p>This is one of the beautiful things about apples: Northern Spy Apples are apparently regional to the NE, with a distribution extending as far as the Detroit area, and maybe not much further. Many great varieties of apple are only available locally, and you have to know about them. Its just varieties like the “Macintosh” that get a national distribution. A Northern Spy Apple grown outside of its primary area might well yield fruit, but maybe not as good as what EW describes.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: behindthefall</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/28/still-in-turkey-coma-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-116789</link>
		<dc:creator>behindthefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You can still find Northern Spy apples?  Lucky you.  I remember (hah! I wish!) driving from somewhere to somewhere else and coming across a roadside stand with Northern Spies and buying a peck, but I haven’t seen any since.  Glad you had a good feast!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can still find Northern Spy apples?  Lucky you.  I remember (hah! I wish!) driving from somewhere to somewhere else and coming across a roadside stand with Northern Spies and buying a peck, but I haven’t seen any since.  Glad you had a good feast!</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I boiled mine this time–pretty much as scribe said, which kept the skins soft but by the end my fingers were waterlogged.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I boiled mine this time–pretty much as scribe said, which kept the skins soft but by the end my fingers were waterlogged.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mine came from an orchard down outside of Ypsilanti. I think they’ve added Spies in the last several years–I had worried I wouldn’t be able to find them at the Farmers, but was wrong.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine came from an orchard down outside of Ypsilanti. I think they’ve added Spies in the last several years–I had worried I wouldn’t be able to find them at the Farmers, but was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Waste like the oranges, limes, and avocados going to waste around socal.  There must be a way for this food to be in the system.  It’s difficult and expensive to get approval to sell the food, and this should be eased.  At my last house I had 49 lime trees, and couldn’t sell them to the Mexican restaurants and bars without spending more than the fruit was worth in fees.  Craziness for the benefit of large (republican) farmers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waste like the oranges, limes, and avocados going to waste around socal.  There must be a way for this food to be in the system.  It’s difficult and expensive to get approval to sell the food, and this should be eased.  At my last house I had 49 lime trees, and couldn’t sell them to the Mexican restaurants and bars without spending more than the fruit was worth in fees.  Craziness for the benefit of large (republican) farmers.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tried all as described. The shells were almost impossible to peel even though fully scored and the skins were a massive headache to get off the meats.  Suspect the problem was the nuts themselves, but I’m not going to mess with them again to find out, unless I’m really, really bored and looking for something to do to keep my idle hands busy.  Far too many industrious folks out there who’ve done all the work and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chestnutsforsale.com/Pre-PeeledPre-Cooked-Chestnuts_p_29-21.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sell ready-to-use product&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Although when door knocking this year I discovered a house which has a chestnut tree in the front yard, and the homeowners obviously had no idea what it was, what with all the nuts lying all over the yard, sidewalk and street…if I’m really bored next fall, I may stop by and ask if I can harvest some.  Seems such a colossal waste.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tried all as described. The shells were almost impossible to peel even though fully scored and the skins were a massive headache to get off the meats.  Suspect the problem was the nuts themselves, but I’m not going to mess with them again to find out, unless I’m really, really bored and looking for something to do to keep my idle hands busy.  Far too many industrious folks out there who’ve done all the work and <a href="http://www.chestnutsforsale.com/Pre-PeeledPre-Cooked-Chestnuts_p_29-21.html" rel="nofollow">sell ready-to-use product</a>.</p>
<p>Although when door knocking this year I discovered a house which has a chestnut tree in the front yard, and the homeowners obviously had no idea what it was, what with all the nuts lying all over the yard, sidewalk and street…if I’m really bored next fall, I may stop by and ask if I can harvest some.  Seems such a colossal waste.</p>
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		<title>By: TobyWollin</title>
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		<dc:creator>TobyWollin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Northern Spy Apples: This is a great, late in the season all-around apple from upstate NY, discovered in East Bloomfield, NY in the early 1800s. It doesn’t particularly ship well and it’s not what you’d call an ‘attractive’ apple(at least from current standards of Washington State apples), but it is a pretty big, hard apple that as long as it’s not bruised, will keep for a very long time. Not as big as ‘20 ounce”. Makes great pies because of its hardness(doesn’t turn to much in the pie pan), and is a great cidar and ‘out of the hand’ apple as well. You can find them in every famers’ market in upstate New York - they are a very common apple here - but they are usually not found outside of the growing area.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Northern Spy Apples: This is a great, late in the season all-around apple from upstate NY, discovered in East Bloomfield, NY in the early 1800s. It doesn’t particularly ship well and it’s not what you’d call an ‘attractive’ apple(at least from current standards of Washington State apples), but it is a pretty big, hard apple that as long as it’s not bruised, will keep for a very long time. Not as big as ‘20 ounce”. Makes great pies because of its hardness(doesn’t turn to much in the pie pan), and is a great cidar and ‘out of the hand’ apple as well. You can find them in every famers’ market in upstate New York &#8211; they are a very common apple here &#8211; but they are usually not found outside of the growing area.</p>
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