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		<title>By: bluebutterfly</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/26/the-hatfill-search/comment-page-1/#comment-116701</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebutterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oops! manuals: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/managing-wmd.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/managing-wmd.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops! manuals: <a href="http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/managing-wmd.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/managing-wmd.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: lysias</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/26/the-hatfill-search/comment-page-1/#comment-116627</link>
		<dc:creator>lysias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The TV show “24″ was in production weeks before 9/11.  (I learned that from a New Yorker article about “24″ and torture a couple of years ago.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What did guys in Hollywood already know?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The TV show “24″ was in production weeks before 9/11.  (I learned that from a New Yorker article about “24″ and torture a couple of years ago.)</p>
<p>What did guys in Hollywood already know?</p>
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		<title>By: Mason</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/26/the-hatfill-search/comment-page-1/#comment-116603</link>
		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, it was a real dog of a case.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it was a real dog of a case.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/26/the-hatfill-search/comment-page-1/#comment-116486</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Would med school there have been in Afrikaans or English?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would med school there have been in Afrikaans or English?</p>
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		<title>By: Synoia</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/26/the-hatfill-search/comment-page-1/#comment-116471</link>
		<dc:creator>Synoia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If there were any US citizens in the Selous Scouts or the SADF, it was very low profile. It’s hard to keep that secret, especially in Zim, where there were not many people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And an Anthrax outbreak is common in Africa, especially in people who literally live with their livestock. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If he were anywhere close to the SADF he had to speak Afrikaans. If not fluent, then at least at the conversational level.  I was offered a job in the ZA Government, and one of the conditions was to take Afrikaans lessons. The SADF was much stricter, learn Afrikaans (praat die taal), it was the SADF’s command language.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For example, the atomic bomb work at Pelinbaba was an open secret, and easy to discovery what was happening.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there were any US citizens in the Selous Scouts or the SADF, it was very low profile. It’s hard to keep that secret, especially in Zim, where there were not many people.</p>
<p>And an Anthrax outbreak is common in Africa, especially in people who literally live with their livestock. </p>
<p>If he were anywhere close to the SADF he had to speak Afrikaans. If not fluent, then at least at the conversational level.  I was offered a job in the ZA Government, and one of the conditions was to take Afrikaans lessons. The SADF was much stricter, learn Afrikaans (praat die taal), it was the SADF’s command language.</p>
<p>For example, the atomic bomb work at Pelinbaba was an open secret, and easy to discovery what was happening.</p>
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		<title>By: JimWhite</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/26/the-hatfill-search/comment-page-1/#comment-116461</link>
		<dc:creator>JimWhite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’ve often wondered how long it would take to plan and execute the anthrax attacks. The timing just after 9/11 seems to be too sinister to not be connected. Yet, that would mean that someone would have known the target date of 9/11 or else, they would have been able to crank the anthrax out within a week’s time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The other interesting aspect of Judy’s article is that the secret program was even a secret to President Clinton.&lt;br /&gt;
Scary. Wonder if any of these rogue groups plan to carry on without President Obama’s knowledge.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Massive amounts of highly infectious material were in the RMR 1029 flask.  Turning that into the attack material would literally only take a few hours.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for the rogue groups in DoD, they were leftover plants from Cheney’s first stint along with a few old Reagan-era codgers.  And those plants are perhaps the best argument for not keeping Gates but getting a Democrat as Secretary who is not afraid to clean house.  Why they would choose that date to voluntarily blow their cover through Judy, Judy, Judy is something I still haven’t worked out, unless someone in another agency was trying to defang them through exposure and fed the info to her.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’ve often wondered how long it would take to plan and execute the anthrax attacks. The timing just after 9/11 seems to be too sinister to not be connected. Yet, that would mean that someone would have known the target date of 9/11 or else, they would have been able to crank the anthrax out within a week’s time.</p>
<p>The other interesting aspect of Judy’s article is that the secret program was even a secret to President Clinton.<br />
Scary. Wonder if any of these rogue groups plan to carry on without President Obama’s knowledge.</p>
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<p>Massive amounts of highly infectious material were in the RMR 1029 flask.  Turning that into the attack material would literally only take a few hours.  </p>
<p>As for the rogue groups in DoD, they were leftover plants from Cheney’s first stint along with a few old Reagan-era codgers.  And those plants are perhaps the best argument for not keeping Gates but getting a Democrat as Secretary who is not afraid to clean house.  Why they would choose that date to voluntarily blow their cover through Judy, Judy, Judy is something I still haven’t worked out, unless someone in another agency was trying to defang them through exposure and fed the info to her.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisc</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/26/the-hatfill-search/comment-page-1/#comment-116459</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks EW  for posting the link to Judy, Judy, Judy’s 2001 piece. I’ve read it before. Rereading it today just seemed to make the anthrax case all the more puzzling.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because the piece was written by Judy, we have to question what was the purpose in her revealing that the US had a secret program to develop enhanced anthrax that probably violated international treaties.  The timing of this piece is incredible. Just one week before 9/11 and 2 weeks before the anthrax attacks.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The justification for invading Iraq was to rid the country of biological and chemical weapons. Which they did not have, but we did. So how does Judy’s piece fit in with the neocon groundwork for the invasion?  Was it just to spread fear that Iraq had a super anthrax which justified our producing some for defensive purposes?  Was it to flush out nay sayers and treaty lovers who might stand in the way of the coming invasion?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve often wondered how long it would take to plan and execute the anthrax attacks.  The timing just after 9/11 seems to be too sinister to not be connected. Yet, that would mean that someone would have known the target date of 9/11 or else, they would have been able to crank the anthrax out within a week’s time. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The other interesting aspect of Judy’s article is that the secret program was even a secret to President Clinton.&lt;br /&gt;
Scary. Wonder if any of these rogue groups plan to carry on without President Obama’s knowledge.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks EW  for posting the link to Judy, Judy, Judy’s 2001 piece. I’ve read it before. Rereading it today just seemed to make the anthrax case all the more puzzling.</p>
<p>Because the piece was written by Judy, we have to question what was the purpose in her revealing that the US had a secret program to develop enhanced anthrax that probably violated international treaties.  The timing of this piece is incredible. Just one week before 9/11 and 2 weeks before the anthrax attacks.  </p>
<p>The justification for invading Iraq was to rid the country of biological and chemical weapons. Which they did not have, but we did. So how does Judy’s piece fit in with the neocon groundwork for the invasion?  Was it just to spread fear that Iraq had a super anthrax which justified our producing some for defensive purposes?  Was it to flush out nay sayers and treaty lovers who might stand in the way of the coming invasion?</p>
<p>I’ve often wondered how long it would take to plan and execute the anthrax attacks.  The timing just after 9/11 seems to be too sinister to not be connected. Yet, that would mean that someone would have known the target date of 9/11 or else, they would have been able to crank the anthrax out within a week’s time. </p>
<p>The other interesting aspect of Judy’s article is that the secret program was even a secret to President Clinton.<br />
Scary. Wonder if any of these rogue groups plan to carry on without President Obama’s knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/26/the-hatfill-search/comment-page-1/#comment-116457</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Or that he really exists.  They have been known to reverse engineer fictitious “CI”s from information they got themselves illegally you know.  Also, for purposes of a warrant, there are certain standards under &lt;em&gt;Aguillar-Spinelli&lt;/em&gt;, as modified by &lt;em&gt;Illinois v. Gates&lt;/em&gt;, that delineate what is required for a tipster to truly be a “confidential informant”, and it ain’t just that they don’t want to disclose the name.  This sounds like a big pile o bad affy to me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or that he really exists.  They have been known to reverse engineer fictitious “CI”s from information they got themselves illegally you know.  Also, for purposes of a warrant, there are certain standards under <em>Aguillar-Spinelli</em>, as modified by <em>Illinois v. Gates</em>, that delineate what is required for a tipster to truly be a “confidential informant”, and it ain’t just that they don’t want to disclose the name.  This sounds like a big pile o bad affy to me.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah–and that what they have is based on one confidential informant whose identity they don’t want to reveal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I understand the reasons for that, but given the significance of this case and the backstabbing that went on among the scientists, you’d think they’d find a way to reassure us that that person was marginally credible.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah–and that what they have is based on one confidential informant whose identity they don’t want to reveal.</p>
<p>I understand the reasons for that, but given the significance of this case and the backstabbing that went on among the scientists, you’d think they’d find a way to reassure us that that person was marginally credible.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I still haven’t had time to read through the stuff.  Is it safe to say that the bottom line is they didn’t have squat on the guy for the actual crime?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cause that is sure what I am sensing here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still haven’t had time to read through the stuff.  Is it safe to say that the bottom line is they didn’t have squat on the guy for the actual crime?</p>
<p>Cause that is sure what I am sensing here.</p>
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