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	<title>Comments on: GM the &#8220;Failed Business Model&#8221; Pays Its Retiree Pensions; Exxon Doesn&#8217;t</title>
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		<title>By: sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fidelity is laying off too, I wonder how bad it is over there?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Fidelity to cut nearly 1,300 jobs&lt;br /&gt;
World’s largest mutual fund company to cut 1,300 jobs now, and more later, adding to layoffs from Janus, AllianceBernstein.&lt;br /&gt;
November 6, 2008: 2:54 PM ET&lt;br /&gt;
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Fidelity Investments, the largest U.S.-based mutual fund company, is the latest to announce layoffs, which it blames on the economic crisis.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fidelity said on Thursday that it would cut 2.9% of its 44,400-employee work force, which translates to about 1,300 lost jobs.&lt;br /&gt;
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Crowley said that investors have continued to pour money into Fidelity’s mutual funds, with a net gain of $30 billion so far this year. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the value of these investments — particularly the equity investments — have declined in step with the stock market. The S&amp;P 500 has lost more than one-third of its value so far this year.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Meyer said that AllianceBernstein’s $590 billion worth of managed assets has lost 28% of its value compared to last year, because of stock market declines. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fidelity is laying off too, I wonder how bad it is over there?</p>
<blockquote><p>Fidelity to cut nearly 1,300 jobs<br />
World’s largest mutual fund company to cut 1,300 jobs now, and more later, adding to layoffs from Janus, AllianceBernstein.<br />
November 6, 2008: 2:54 PM ET<br />
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Fidelity Investments, the largest U.S.-based mutual fund company, is the latest to announce layoffs, which it blames on the economic crisis.</p>
<p>Fidelity said on Thursday that it would cut 2.9% of its 44,400-employee work force, which translates to about 1,300 lost jobs.<br />
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Crowley said that investors have continued to pour money into Fidelity’s mutual funds, with a net gain of $30 billion so far this year. </p>
<p>But the value of these investments — particularly the equity investments — have declined in step with the stock market. The S&amp;P 500 has lost more than one-third of its value so far this year.</p>
<p>Meyer said that AllianceBernstein’s $590 billion worth of managed assets has lost 28% of its value compared to last year, because of stock market declines. </p>
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		<title>By: sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Fidelity is now handling most of GM’s employee and retiree benefits. Employees and retirees can access the information, make changes and review account balances by telephone or online, and review all benefit coverage. The benefits include:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Savings plans&lt;br /&gt;
Retirement programs&lt;br /&gt;
Pension plans&lt;br /&gt;
Health care&lt;br /&gt;
Health and dependent car spending accounts&lt;br /&gt;
Life insurance&lt;br /&gt;
Disability&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0503/31/A01-134885.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.detnews.com/2005/au.....134885.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Fidelity is now handling most of GM’s employee and retiree benefits. Employees and retirees can access the information, make changes and review account balances by telephone or online, and review all benefit coverage. The benefits include:</p>
<p>Savings plans<br />
Retirement programs<br />
Pension plans<br />
Health care<br />
Health and dependent car spending accounts<br />
Life insurance<br />
Disability</p>
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		<title>By: sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The investers were complaining about GM’s pensions being so costly in 2002 then why did they do so many buy outs these past few years putting thousands more on the pension rolls? I never did understand how that saved them money. The Delphi new hires are getting paid $15. and $7. plus they are paying a pension to the legacy workers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The investers were complaining about GM’s pensions being so costly in 2002 then why did they do so many buy outs these past few years putting thousands more on the pension rolls? I never did understand how that saved them money. The Delphi new hires are getting paid $15. and $7. plus they are paying a pension to the legacy workers.</p>
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		<title>By: sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Card was a lobbyist for the AAMA. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;After the Democrats won the White House in 1992, Card helped organize the transition, then found a lobbying job with the American Automobile Manufacturers Association, representing the big three U.S. car companies. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That led to a job as director of government affairs for General Motors for Card, who lives in Holbrook, Mass. He took a leave of absence when the Bush family came calling again. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;This time, it was President Bush’s son, George W., who sought him out to coordinate the Republican National Convention in Philadelphia. Card is credited with staging a seamless political coronation with no intraparty squabbling. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ed Gillespie, the Republican consultant who served as Card’s No. 2 at the convention, said his boss’ management style and disregard for “the trappings of power” suit him for the job of White House chief of staff. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To light a fire under convention workers, he’d typically pop into an office and offer to help rather than nag or dispatch someone else for discipline. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“He’s a very motivational leader,” Gillespie says. “He thinks this is a very serious business, but he wants it to be fun.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;During convention planning, one group of staffers repeatedly ignored Card’s instructions to keep their offices unlocked for easy access by him and others. “One day, the lock was gone,” Gillespie recalled with a chuckle. “He takes control of a situation if need be.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://quest.cjonline.com/stories/121600/gen_1216007436.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://quest.cjonline.com/stor.....7436.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Card was a lobbyist for the AAMA. </p>
<blockquote><p>After the Democrats won the White House in 1992, Card helped organize the transition, then found a lobbying job with the American Automobile Manufacturers Association, representing the big three U.S. car companies. </p>
<p>That led to a job as director of government affairs for General Motors for Card, who lives in Holbrook, Mass. He took a leave of absence when the Bush family came calling again. </p>
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<blockquote><p>This time, it was President Bush’s son, George W., who sought him out to coordinate the Republican National Convention in Philadelphia. Card is credited with staging a seamless political coronation with no intraparty squabbling. </p>
<p>Ed Gillespie, the Republican consultant who served as Card’s No. 2 at the convention, said his boss’ management style and disregard for “the trappings of power” suit him for the job of White House chief of staff. </p>
<p>To light a fire under convention workers, he’d typically pop into an office and offer to help rather than nag or dispatch someone else for discipline. </p>
<p>“He’s a very motivational leader,” Gillespie says. “He thinks this is a very serious business, but he wants it to be fun.” </p>
<p>During convention planning, one group of staffers repeatedly ignored Card’s instructions to keep their offices unlocked for easy access by him and others. “One day, the lock was gone,” Gillespie recalled with a chuckle. “He takes control of a situation if need be.” </p>
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		<title>By: sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh ya, I wonder why Bush picked him as a COS? Did he even know him?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh ya, I wonder why Bush picked him as a COS? Did he even know him?</p>
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		<title>By: sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Emptywheel, Good article. Make’s one feel a little better, thanks. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do have some of jdmckay’s concerns abt if this financial mess hurt Fidelity Investments, they hold GM’s retiree’s fund and the worker’s &amp; retiree’s investments funds. I think they might be a private company.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Andrew Card worked for the American Automobile Manufacturing Association (AAMA) 93 to 98 and it dissolved Dec 1998. The AAMA had 3 customers, the big 2 1/2.  Did Card dissolved it? Then he worked as&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;General Motors Vice President of Government Relations. Card directed the company’s international, national, state and local government affairs activities and represented GM on matters of public policy before Congress and the Administration. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(wiki). Then GM gave him a big send off party before he slide on over the Big WH and was schrub’s COS. Now for the past few years the auto co’s were having trouble why didn’t GM’s buddy at the WH help them out? Why did Bush ignore pleas from them during his last campaign cycle? It just doesn’t make sense. Does GM “want” to go bankrupt? They could get concessions they couldn’t get through the union negotiations, they can get rid of health care (just a few years before national health care is instituted), reduced wages, retiree’s financial obligations? Are some of these people sprouting at the mouth GM has to come in alignment with Toyota just a mouth piece for GM?&lt;br /&gt;
Would there be any difference if they went bankrupt under a Bush adm as opposed to a BO adm?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emptywheel, Good article. Make’s one feel a little better, thanks. </p>
<p>I do have some of jdmckay’s concerns abt if this financial mess hurt Fidelity Investments, they hold GM’s retiree’s fund and the worker’s &amp; retiree’s investments funds. I think they might be a private company.</p>
<p>Andrew Card worked for the American Automobile Manufacturing Association (AAMA) 93 to 98 and it dissolved Dec 1998. The AAMA had 3 customers, the big 2 1/2.  Did Card dissolved it? Then he worked as</p>
<blockquote><p>General Motors Vice President of Government Relations. Card directed the company’s international, national, state and local government affairs activities and represented GM on matters of public policy before Congress and the Administration. </p></blockquote>
<p>(wiki). Then GM gave him a big send off party before he slide on over the Big WH and was schrub’s COS. Now for the past few years the auto co’s were having trouble why didn’t GM’s buddy at the WH help them out? Why did Bush ignore pleas from them during his last campaign cycle? It just doesn’t make sense. Does GM “want” to go bankrupt? They could get concessions they couldn’t get through the union negotiations, they can get rid of health care (just a few years before national health care is instituted), reduced wages, retiree’s financial obligations? Are some of these people sprouting at the mouth GM has to come in alignment with Toyota just a mouth piece for GM?<br />
Would there be any difference if they went bankrupt under a Bush adm as opposed to a BO adm?</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
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		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bell, this is almost certainly a different kind of thing. If you hold the bonds, it makes sense to hedge against collapse of the bond issuer. It also makes sense that you would want to hedge against changes in interest rates, which might decrease the value of bonds that you want to sell.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As it happens, because of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/1752&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gambling&lt;/a&gt; going on in the derivative market, this may not turn out as well as one might have hoped, because counterparties may not be able to pay off. Still, this isn’t like the weirdo gambling games played by naked buyers of protection.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bell, this is almost certainly a different kind of thing. If you hold the bonds, it makes sense to hedge against collapse of the bond issuer. It also makes sense that you would want to hedge against changes in interest rates, which might decrease the value of bonds that you want to sell.</p>
<p>As it happens, because of the <a href="http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/1752" rel="nofollow">gambling</a> going on in the derivative market, this may not turn out as well as one might have hoped, because counterparties may not be able to pay off. Still, this isn’t like the weirdo gambling games played by naked buyers of protection.</p>
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		<title>By: Gitcheegumee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gitcheegumee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Richard Shelby is from Alabama.HOME of FOREIGN OWNED automaker assembly plants, LOTS of them. Ofcourse he will diss Detroit. He wants them to go out of business so the Japanese automakers and firms who boild cars in his state can buy them out in Detroit and take over their plants. No union,then!Here’s some links:[PDF] Automotive IndustryFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML&lt;br /&gt;
Alabama is the home to Mercedes-Benz, Honda and Hyundai assembly plants. Other … The auto industry in Alabama accounted …. Alabama Auto Assembly Plants …&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edpa.org/pdfs/Automotive%20Industry%20Profile.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.edpa.org/pdfs/Automotive%2.....rofile.pdf&lt;/a&gt; - Similar pages&lt;br /&gt;
Sen. Shelby: How Sweet Is the Auto Business in Alabama? Not Very …Nov 17, 2008 … Have the Senators not been home to Alabama in awhile? In fact, all three of Alabama’s auto plants have been struggling for the past year as …&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.autoobserver.com/2008/11/sen-shelby-how-sweet-is-the-auto-business-in-alabama-not-very.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.autoobserver.com/2008/11/s.....-very.html&lt;/a&gt; - 27k - Cached - Similar pages&lt;br /&gt;
Alabama emerges as foe to auto aid &#124; The Detroit News &#124; detnews.comNov 21, 2008 … Alabama boasts three auto assembly plants: one owned by Korea’s Hyundai Motor Co ., one owned by Japan’s Honda Motor Co. and a Mercedes-Benz …&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081121/AUTO01/811210365&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...../811210365&lt;/a&gt; - 74k - Cached - Similar pages&lt;br /&gt;
South provides global appeal for foreign auto makers - CNN.comBIRMINGHAM, Alabama (CNN) — Detroit, Michigan, is often thought of as the automaker capital of the country, but increasingly, foreign auto plants are …&lt;br /&gt;
edition.cnn.com/2007/US/11/01/auto.south/index.html - 72k - Cached - Similar pages&lt;br /&gt;
Another auto plant? (Mobile, Huntsville, Tuscaloosa: estate, jobs …10 posts - 6 authors - Last post: Apr 24&lt;br /&gt;
North Alabama was the FIRST site for an auto-related plant in Alabama. Saginaw Steering Systems - now called Delphi - was built just north …&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.city-data.com/forum/alabama/313848-another-auto-plant.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.city-data.com/forum/alabam.....plant.html&lt;/a&gt; - 125k - Cached - Similar pages&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Shelby is from Alabama.HOME of FOREIGN OWNED automaker assembly plants, LOTS of them. Ofcourse he will diss Detroit. He wants them to go out of business so the Japanese automakers and firms who boild cars in his state can buy them out in Detroit and take over their plants. No union,then!Here’s some links:[PDF] Automotive IndustryFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat &#8211; View as HTML<br />
Alabama is the home to Mercedes-Benz, Honda and Hyundai assembly plants. Other … The auto industry in Alabama accounted …. Alabama Auto Assembly Plants …<br /><a href="http://www.edpa.org/pdfs/Automotive%20Industry%20Profile.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.edpa.org/pdfs/Automotive%2&#8230;..rofile.pdf</a> &#8211; Similar pages<br />
Sen. Shelby: How Sweet Is the Auto Business in Alabama? Not Very …Nov 17, 2008 … Have the Senators not been home to Alabama in awhile? In fact, all three of Alabama’s auto plants have been struggling for the past year as …<br /><a href="http://www.autoobserver.com/2008/11/sen-shelby-how-sweet-is-the-auto-business-in-alabama-not-very.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.autoobserver.com/2008/11/s&#8230;..-very.html</a> &#8211; 27k &#8211; Cached &#8211; Similar pages<br />
Alabama emerges as foe to auto aid | The Detroit News | detnews.comNov 21, 2008 … Alabama boasts three auto assembly plants: one owned by Korea’s Hyundai Motor Co ., one owned by Japan’s Honda Motor Co. and a Mercedes-Benz …<br /><a href="http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081121/AUTO01/811210365" rel="nofollow">http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/&#8230;../811210365</a> &#8211; 74k &#8211; Cached &#8211; Similar pages<br />
South provides global appeal for foreign auto makers &#8211; CNN.comBIRMINGHAM, Alabama (CNN) — Detroit, Michigan, is often thought of as the automaker capital of the country, but increasingly, foreign auto plants are …<br />
edition.cnn.com/2007/US/11/01/auto.south/index.html &#8211; 72k &#8211; Cached &#8211; Similar pages<br />
Another auto plant? (Mobile, Huntsville, Tuscaloosa: estate, jobs …10 posts &#8211; 6 authors &#8211; Last post: Apr 24<br />
North Alabama was the FIRST site for an auto-related plant in Alabama. Saginaw Steering Systems &#8211; now called Delphi &#8211; was built just north …<br /><a href="http://www.city-data.com/forum/alabama/313848-another-auto-plant.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.city-data.com/forum/alabam&#8230;..plant.html</a> &#8211; 125k &#8211; Cached &#8211; Similar pages</p>
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		<title>By: rwcole</title>
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		<dc:creator>rwcole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hope GM didn’t buy any of those mortgage derivitive thingees!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope GM didn’t buy any of those mortgage derivitive thingees!</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thank you Emptywheel - am pleasantly shocked about the state of the Pension Fund - thanks to Scarecrow as well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you Emptywheel &#8211; am pleasantly shocked about the state of the Pension Fund &#8211; thanks to Scarecrow as well.</p>
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