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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/forty-five-years/comment-page-3/#comment-116186</link>
		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;… A lesser known but needed to surface understanding of the family is linked with “Clyde O’Connor”. Searching on Clyde will surface a link to a fleet of more than 100 planes used for World Wide drug distribution and in partnership with the CIA in Rendition flights and more. There has been more than one investigation involving Clyde. One recent International report says his plane drug bust in Mexico involving his tail number was also identified in CIA Rendition flights. Please realize that the family often bragged about being a CIA Asset. …&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is &lt;a href=&quot;http://sacramentofordemocracy.org/?q=node/view/10514&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;N987SA&lt;/a&gt; one of the planes?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>… A lesser known but needed to surface understanding of the family is linked with “Clyde O’Connor”. Searching on Clyde will surface a link to a fleet of more than 100 planes used for World Wide drug distribution and in partnership with the CIA in Rendition flights and more. There has been more than one investigation involving Clyde. One recent International report says his plane drug bust in Mexico involving his tail number was also identified in CIA Rendition flights. Please realize that the family often bragged about being a CIA Asset. …</p>
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<p>Is <a href="http://sacramentofordemocracy.org/?q=node/view/10514" rel="nofollow">N987SA</a> one of the planes?</p>
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		<title>By: MartyDidier</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/forty-five-years/comment-page-3/#comment-116164</link>
		<dc:creator>MartyDidier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sara, thanks again for the effort made with explaining your point of view.  It’s appreciated.  After reading your post and considering what I know, it was realized that you actually asked more than a few questions.  I guess this is the way it normally is when two people are on to different levels.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do agree with you that “we absolutely have to” get to the bottom of this and many other situations.  The JFK assassination seems loaded with many more questions that I can count.   Confusion tends to keep everyone from seeing reality.   Only those with enough knowledge will be able to see through to understand.  This typical “relationship” game is employed everywhere and we are given opportunities to hone our discernment skills even at home.   But for most, they aren’t given the opportunity to learn and have to work through the jungle hoping to make sense out of nonsense especially when dealing with details.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From the time spent in this family that I keep talking about, I will tell you that The Mob weren’t the major player although they appeared to be, in the Kennedy assassination.  And they aren’t even in today’s world situation that is being played out.  They are a player but not the main player.  There are others with some being huge in comparison which by the way, is talked about all through history.  What existed with the family while I was married and today has been around for eons.   Some of our confusion unfortunately exists because of our lack of knowledge.  This is in large part being done on purpose because those who know tend to cause trouble to those who have plans to that want to do something large.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Along with this are those famous yet OLD “relationship” situations or better known as “problems”.   Many experienced in the art of divorce know well as therapists tend to use their craft to dig out all of those OLD relationship problems that come along at the right time to break up relationships.  In other words, OLD problems never go away although we tend to want to sweep them under a rug.  Eventually they come back only than they are bigger and more threatening than before.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Along this note is we only take action when something rises above our radar.  Hence any group that works under our radar can respectably grow until they are above our radar.  But as groups grow, they amass power and influence to change even our radar limits.  Sometimes we need to go back to basic personal values and re-establish our boundaries.  Hence, it’s wise to realize that there are activities that make us accept what we would normally feel as wrong as being right.  Eventually too much of anything eventually brings attention to itself even if they work hard at trying to make themselves invisible.   Only those with the highest level of greed having the most power will be able to do this.  Guess who this is?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another glaring point you made was that our landscape is constantly changing.  I couldn’t agree with you more and that only complicates someone from trying to make sense out of nonsense.  And again, that’s where knowing history helps explain the reality.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In regards to my post, surely many ask “who is this family he keeps talking about?”  This family by the way seemed to fall into a situation after I married that links them directly with a part of the top of our OLD problems and highest power group as mentioned above.   It may be helpful to view the World as being pushed around by “power groups”.   Looking at this we need a list of which group is the most powerful followed by who is next.  Identifying the “power groups” should help you understand what I’m posting.  The family is linked in with a very high level of power.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regarding the MOB, I’ve personally been invited out for dinner with the family to MOB hosted dinners.  It’s an experience to be out for dinner with such colorful personalities such as one who was well known as “The Hook”.  He had a reputation for hanging his victims on meat hooks while torturing them to death.  Needless to say, I was told after dinner who our host was and that was when I was also glad to be going safely home.  There were other dinner with power groups involving families too and one is Rosemont Illinois.  The family was invited out hoping they would do business with Rosemont.  Although not as colorful as the MOB dinners, there were a similar cast of colorful ones there too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The family is linked with Abramoff going back to Gus Boulis’s Casino Boat business for starters.  There to was a MOB link as they were approached to become investment partners in his New York Venture.  Gus went to the five New York families hoping to gain their protection support with his Casino Boat business concept, but he was turned down.  During that time (1996) through the MOB through the family’s connections with “Government People” they were given this option to consider.  They really wanted to own part of his Florida Casino Boat business but were turned down by Gus.   And by the way, I was asked by the family to visit Gus in Florida in early 1990.  I was invited to fly to Florida and spend a week with Gus and their “Government people” often referred to as “The Guys”.  Looking back, I feel happy I declined.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The family and others linked with the family were tracking Gus for years.  They believed he was a MONEY GOD and everything he touched turned to Gold.  They were totally obsessed with him and needed to learn everything about him.  Frankly they did everything possible to learn everything about him.  This is again another story.  Gus’s murder is at the beginning of the Abramoff story that continues to surface more news along with Indictments.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A lesser known but needed to surface understanding of the family is linked with “Clyde O’Connor”.  Searching on Clyde will surface a link to a fleet of more than 100 planes used for World Wide drug distribution and in partnership with the CIA in Rendition flights and more.  There has been more than one investigation involving Clyde.  One recent International report says his plane drug bust in Mexico involving his tail number was also identified in CIA Rendition flights.  Please realize that the family often bragged about being a CIA Asset.  When questioning my brother-in-law with why they aren’t worried about being prosecuted surfaces more of why no one in the US has been pursued.  Yet the Mexican Government is aggressively prosecuting everyone there and the families of those being pursued are crying foul!  I used to think what the family told me was pure fantasy but it turns out they were telling me the truth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Clyde is my ex-sister-in-law’s brother.  Her husband is my wife’s oldest brother and Clyde’s money man behind their business venture in Florida.  By the way, the setup of the Florida business venture may well have been assembled by Obama in Chicago.  The way my brother-in-law explained his concern for being found out explained that someone with high special skills, like Obama’s had been involved at the law firm.  The law firm by the way is the same law firm Obama worked at after graduating and the same law firm Rezko, invited Obama to join which Rezko wasn’t an owner.   And please accept that my youngest son is involved with Rezko to my dismay.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve met the O’Connor family and found them to be a good Catholic family, so what happened?  My brother-in-law and Clyde’s sister were married in St Joseph’s church in Wilmette Ill.  It’s the same church my parents were married in and also the O’Connor’s family church.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Back to JFK’s assassination….  The family talked about this and as mentioned in one of my posts, claimed that their group in Chicago assisted in his assassination.  I’ve found references to some of the people involved coming from the Chicago area so this part checks out.  However another comment made by J. Edgar Hoover seems to say a lot more that fits with what I know.  I’ve spend a little time looking for it but wasn’t able to find it however if my memory serves me right, he stated that he had never seen anything as huge who had wanted Kennedy dead.  What he was referring to was what the family is part of.  This is why the family often bragged about this being “The World’s Largest Criminal System”.  When I find his comment, I’ll post it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sara, listing out the World’s Power Groups will explain who the family is part of.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s actually a lot more but maybe another time…..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Marty Didier&lt;br /&gt;
Northbrook, IL&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara, thanks again for the effort made with explaining your point of view.  It’s appreciated.  After reading your post and considering what I know, it was realized that you actually asked more than a few questions.  I guess this is the way it normally is when two people are on to different levels.  </p>
<p>I do agree with you that “we absolutely have to” get to the bottom of this and many other situations.  The JFK assassination seems loaded with many more questions that I can count.   Confusion tends to keep everyone from seeing reality.   Only those with enough knowledge will be able to see through to understand.  This typical “relationship” game is employed everywhere and we are given opportunities to hone our discernment skills even at home.   But for most, they aren’t given the opportunity to learn and have to work through the jungle hoping to make sense out of nonsense especially when dealing with details.</p>
<p>From the time spent in this family that I keep talking about, I will tell you that The Mob weren’t the major player although they appeared to be, in the Kennedy assassination.  And they aren’t even in today’s world situation that is being played out.  They are a player but not the main player.  There are others with some being huge in comparison which by the way, is talked about all through history.  What existed with the family while I was married and today has been around for eons.   Some of our confusion unfortunately exists because of our lack of knowledge.  This is in large part being done on purpose because those who know tend to cause trouble to those who have plans to that want to do something large.  </p>
<p>Along with this are those famous yet OLD “relationship” situations or better known as “problems”.   Many experienced in the art of divorce know well as therapists tend to use their craft to dig out all of those OLD relationship problems that come along at the right time to break up relationships.  In other words, OLD problems never go away although we tend to want to sweep them under a rug.  Eventually they come back only than they are bigger and more threatening than before.  </p>
<p>Along this note is we only take action when something rises above our radar.  Hence any group that works under our radar can respectably grow until they are above our radar.  But as groups grow, they amass power and influence to change even our radar limits.  Sometimes we need to go back to basic personal values and re-establish our boundaries.  Hence, it’s wise to realize that there are activities that make us accept what we would normally feel as wrong as being right.  Eventually too much of anything eventually brings attention to itself even if they work hard at trying to make themselves invisible.   Only those with the highest level of greed having the most power will be able to do this.  Guess who this is?</p>
<p>Another glaring point you made was that our landscape is constantly changing.  I couldn’t agree with you more and that only complicates someone from trying to make sense out of nonsense.  And again, that’s where knowing history helps explain the reality.  </p>
<p>In regards to my post, surely many ask “who is this family he keeps talking about?”  This family by the way seemed to fall into a situation after I married that links them directly with a part of the top of our OLD problems and highest power group as mentioned above.   It may be helpful to view the World as being pushed around by “power groups”.   Looking at this we need a list of which group is the most powerful followed by who is next.  Identifying the “power groups” should help you understand what I’m posting.  The family is linked in with a very high level of power.  </p>
<p>Regarding the MOB, I’ve personally been invited out for dinner with the family to MOB hosted dinners.  It’s an experience to be out for dinner with such colorful personalities such as one who was well known as “The Hook”.  He had a reputation for hanging his victims on meat hooks while torturing them to death.  Needless to say, I was told after dinner who our host was and that was when I was also glad to be going safely home.  There were other dinner with power groups involving families too and one is Rosemont Illinois.  The family was invited out hoping they would do business with Rosemont.  Although not as colorful as the MOB dinners, there were a similar cast of colorful ones there too.</p>
<p>The family is linked with Abramoff going back to Gus Boulis’s Casino Boat business for starters.  There to was a MOB link as they were approached to become investment partners in his New York Venture.  Gus went to the five New York families hoping to gain their protection support with his Casino Boat business concept, but he was turned down.  During that time (1996) through the MOB through the family’s connections with “Government People” they were given this option to consider.  They really wanted to own part of his Florida Casino Boat business but were turned down by Gus.   And by the way, I was asked by the family to visit Gus in Florida in early 1990.  I was invited to fly to Florida and spend a week with Gus and their “Government people” often referred to as “The Guys”.  Looking back, I feel happy I declined.  </p>
<p>The family and others linked with the family were tracking Gus for years.  They believed he was a MONEY GOD and everything he touched turned to Gold.  They were totally obsessed with him and needed to learn everything about him.  Frankly they did everything possible to learn everything about him.  This is again another story.  Gus’s murder is at the beginning of the Abramoff story that continues to surface more news along with Indictments.</p>
<p>A lesser known but needed to surface understanding of the family is linked with “Clyde O’Connor”.  Searching on Clyde will surface a link to a fleet of more than 100 planes used for World Wide drug distribution and in partnership with the CIA in Rendition flights and more.  There has been more than one investigation involving Clyde.  One recent International report says his plane drug bust in Mexico involving his tail number was also identified in CIA Rendition flights.  Please realize that the family often bragged about being a CIA Asset.  When questioning my brother-in-law with why they aren’t worried about being prosecuted surfaces more of why no one in the US has been pursued.  Yet the Mexican Government is aggressively prosecuting everyone there and the families of those being pursued are crying foul!  I used to think what the family told me was pure fantasy but it turns out they were telling me the truth.</p>
<p>Clyde is my ex-sister-in-law’s brother.  Her husband is my wife’s oldest brother and Clyde’s money man behind their business venture in Florida.  By the way, the setup of the Florida business venture may well have been assembled by Obama in Chicago.  The way my brother-in-law explained his concern for being found out explained that someone with high special skills, like Obama’s had been involved at the law firm.  The law firm by the way is the same law firm Obama worked at after graduating and the same law firm Rezko, invited Obama to join which Rezko wasn’t an owner.   And please accept that my youngest son is involved with Rezko to my dismay.</p>
<p>I’ve met the O’Connor family and found them to be a good Catholic family, so what happened?  My brother-in-law and Clyde’s sister were married in St Joseph’s church in Wilmette Ill.  It’s the same church my parents were married in and also the O’Connor’s family church.  </p>
<p>Back to JFK’s assassination….  The family talked about this and as mentioned in one of my posts, claimed that their group in Chicago assisted in his assassination.  I’ve found references to some of the people involved coming from the Chicago area so this part checks out.  However another comment made by J. Edgar Hoover seems to say a lot more that fits with what I know.  I’ve spend a little time looking for it but wasn’t able to find it however if my memory serves me right, he stated that he had never seen anything as huge who had wanted Kennedy dead.  What he was referring to was what the family is part of.  This is why the family often bragged about this being “The World’s Largest Criminal System”.  When I find his comment, I’ll post it.</p>
<p>Sara, listing out the World’s Power Groups will explain who the family is part of.</p>
<p>There’s actually a lot more but maybe another time…..</p>
<p>Marty Didier<br />
Northbrook, IL</p>
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		<title>By: NealDeesit</title>
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		<dc:creator>NealDeesit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Masaccio, when you mentioned “Brother Reginald” at 27, I wondered if perhaps you were a St. Joe Indian, class of ‘64.  I was so specific at 216  because I thought that you might respond. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know if we knew each other or not in high school. I certainly don’t remember anyone named Masaccio, and my real name is not Neel Deesit.  That’s an Anglicization of “nihil dicit,” Latin (thank you, Brother Paschal) for “he says nothing.” If you care to, drop me a note at &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:nihil.dicit@gmail.com.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nihil.dicit@gmail.com.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Masaccio, when you mentioned “Brother Reginald” at 27, I wondered if perhaps you were a St. Joe Indian, class of ‘64.  I was so specific at 216  because I thought that you might respond. </p>
<p>I don’t know if we knew each other or not in high school. I certainly don’t remember anyone named Masaccio, and my real name is not Neel Deesit.  That’s an Anglicization of “nihil dicit,” Latin (thank you, Brother Paschal) for “he says nothing.” If you care to, drop me a note at <a href="mailto:nihil.dicit@gmail.com." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="mailto:nihil.dicit@gmail.com">nihil.dicit@gmail.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
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		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was five, playing hooky from Del Ray Woods Kindergarten in Monterrey, CA, at my favorite Pool Hall. I had just walked in, and sidled up to the bar to order my regular B&amp;T, giving Jimmy the signal to hold my calls, when I decided to check out the talent just beginning to stream-in - guys carrying break-down sticks in cases - on a cool and clammy Friday afternoon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sweeping up my glass and jumping down, I grabbed a couple of ashtrays on the way over to my favorite pin-ball machine - Moon Shot! - the one with a perfect view of the tables. After placing the ashtrays under the two near legs of the machine, I dragged over a chair, and smoothly stepped-up on it while dropping some change in the slot. Then I checked-out the flippers (sometimes they would get weak if I had really thrashed the game the day before) as the machine came alive. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then I rocked-back with the shooter and put the ball in play - sliding that machine around on those ashtrays like I was steering a toboggan back home down the side yard slope - I could even reach down and lift-up the machine, ever so slightly with just the right motion, and save a draining.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I remember it distinctly, I had a half-dozen free games piled-up when the School Truant Officer - all the kids called him Bugeyes - blasted into the joint, all animated like and telling everyone to ‘calm down.’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I thought I was busted, and so did Jimmy, who had the presence of mind to start wheeling the table-clearing cart over towards me. People were swirling towards Bugeyes and I saw my chance - I bent down and soft walked behind the cart as Jimmy slowly rolled it towards the back door.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I shoved a five at him, and slipped out into the rain on the way back to school. Later on, I heard about the tragedy, but it didn’t really register with me until many years later…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was five, playing hooky from Del Ray Woods Kindergarten in Monterrey, CA, at my favorite Pool Hall. I had just walked in, and sidled up to the bar to order my regular B&amp;T, giving Jimmy the signal to hold my calls, when I decided to check out the talent just beginning to stream-in &#8211; guys carrying break-down sticks in cases &#8211; on a cool and clammy Friday afternoon.</p>
<p>Sweeping up my glass and jumping down, I grabbed a couple of ashtrays on the way over to my favorite pin-ball machine &#8211; Moon Shot! &#8211; the one with a perfect view of the tables. After placing the ashtrays under the two near legs of the machine, I dragged over a chair, and smoothly stepped-up on it while dropping some change in the slot. Then I checked-out the flippers (sometimes they would get weak if I had really thrashed the game the day before) as the machine came alive. </p>
<p>Then I rocked-back with the shooter and put the ball in play &#8211; sliding that machine around on those ashtrays like I was steering a toboggan back home down the side yard slope &#8211; I could even reach down and lift-up the machine, ever so slightly with just the right motion, and save a draining.</p>
<p>I remember it distinctly, I had a half-dozen free games piled-up when the School Truant Officer &#8211; all the kids called him Bugeyes &#8211; blasted into the joint, all animated like and telling everyone to ‘calm down.’</p>
<p>I thought I was busted, and so did Jimmy, who had the presence of mind to start wheeling the table-clearing cart over towards me. People were swirling towards Bugeyes and I saw my chance &#8211; I bent down and soft walked behind the cart as Jimmy slowly rolled it towards the back door.</p>
<p>I shoved a five at him, and slipped out into the rain on the way back to school. Later on, I heard about the tragedy, but it didn’t really register with me until many years later…</p>
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		<title>By: MartyDidier</title>
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		<dc:creator>MartyDidier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:Sara@232&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sara@232&lt;/a&gt;, again thanks for the reply….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m running out of time today and will try to reply tomorrow.  What I have to tell you will be considered important for many reasons….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Marty Didier&lt;br /&gt;
Northbrook, IL&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="mailto:Sara@232" rel="nofollow">Sara@232</a>, again thanks for the reply….</p>
<p>I’m running out of time today and will try to reply tomorrow.  What I have to tell you will be considered important for many reasons….</p>
<p>Marty Didier<br />
Northbrook, IL</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“I can understand the concern for those run of the mill conspiracy stories but sadly this isn’t the case for me. And again, to even discuss this would be another long post and one I’m not willing to engage in at this time. So everyone is spared the pain. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What the family told me about JFK was explained in my post in brief. They also told me that one of the main reasons for his assassination was because he was working towards getting rid of the Federal Reserve. Shortly after his assassination, the Bill he wrote was thrown out. Plus with what I know, there are other larger explanations to explain what is happening. I would expect more of this to surface in the news in the near future. Expect changes towards the truth with what has been understood to be our history, but this will take time.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Marty Didier&lt;br /&gt;
Northbrook, IL&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Marty — it is really important to distinguish “good” history from conspiracy theory — understand where they overlap a bit, and where they are very different.  In the case of David Kaiser’s recent book, “The Road to Dallas” what he has done is simply apply the methods of Historical research to the topic — use the contemporaneous and in a limited way, subsequent documentary evidence, piece it together as one would a jig-saw puzzle, examine very closely the fit between pieces, and tell the story that seems to contain all the reliable documentary evidence, and discount the pieces that don’t fit.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With regard to the Kennedy Assassination, we absolutely have to do this, because over the years a great deal of dissinformation has been pushed into the case — not only by people protecting themselves, but by many who wanted to make money off the carcuss. We also have many well meaning people who pushed versions of the story, but made serious errors.  In no way am I saying Kaiser is the last word on this — hardly, it is simply he is really the first true classic historian to spend more than 20 years on the subject, with the same methods he used to discover the flaws in the early Vietnam Policy — and before that, with studies of the diplomacy of King Phillip II of Spain.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So what did I learn from his book.  First of all, the involvement of the mob in aspects of Cuban Policy was not Kennedy’s responsibility at all — it was Eisenhower’s, and the networks that existed in the late 50’s and early 60’s were created by OSS during World War II, networks of which Allen Dulles was very much aware.  Dulles of course headed CIA in Eisenhower’s day — but in the first year of Kennedy’s Administration, and Dulles brought to the table long experience of working with the mob.  He had used it in Italy during the period from the initial invasion in 1943 until the war’s end, It was an intelligence asset, it organized behind the lines efforts in Italy against the Germans, and above all, it was anti-Communist and could work in parallel with the Catholic Church.  Dulles had just kept this network — this set of relations — alive in the post war era, after all he owed, and he continued to use it in the early days of the Cold War.  All this information, in detail, is in now open CIA and OSS documents. You can read not only this, but all FBI investigative files on the key individuals, and yes, eventually court transcripts in trials of individuals — and if you work as a good historian, eventually you have a decent picture of who worked with whom in what line of ‘business’, what were the lines of loyality over time, What is the hierarchy?  Kaiser pretty much establishes that during the Eisenhower Era, the mob could use Cuba as a place to do business, and authorities would look the other way, as a kind of reward for services rendered, while at the sametime new requests for services came from those in CIA, mostly old OSS types.  Cuba was, of course something of a mess, and in addition to Castro, there were other reform and coup planning groups in the 50’s — and the mob infiltrated all of them, in both their own business interests and at the beheast of CIA. In fact Kaiser has tracked a number of arms deals that delivered US assets to Castro between 56 and 59 that were executed probably with CIA knowledge by those involved with mob business interests.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;OK — then between 56 and 60 you have both Kennedy Brothers, John in the Senate, and Robert as Counsel or Chief Counsel to Senate investigations of the mob, laying the groundwork for a major DoJ investigation of US based mob business activity, something that only grew in intensity after Robert became Attorney General.  In essence you have a Kennedy Administration that inherits a CIA that does business with the mob, and a Kennedy Administration that sets up the Justice Department to crusade for a take-down of the mob.  And many of DoJ’s targets are one in the same with the CIA’s contacts.  (We want you to use your assets to take out Castro, but in the meantime we plan to indict you on charges that can send you up for life to the Big House.)  As Kaiser puts document after document on the table telling this story, you begin to gradually realize this is not really a conspiracy of any sort of classical nature (people planning and then taking action to further the plan) — it is incoherent policy. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course in all this there is the small conspiracy, who gives an order to take JFK down, who may have known a piece of the plan, passed along an approval, — but that is all small potatoes to knowing why.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I can understand the concern for those run of the mill conspiracy stories but sadly this isn’t the case for me. And again, to even discuss this would be another long post and one I’m not willing to engage in at this time. So everyone is spared the pain. </p>
<p>What the family told me about JFK was explained in my post in brief. They also told me that one of the main reasons for his assassination was because he was working towards getting rid of the Federal Reserve. Shortly after his assassination, the Bill he wrote was thrown out. Plus with what I know, there are other larger explanations to explain what is happening. I would expect more of this to surface in the news in the near future. Expect changes towards the truth with what has been understood to be our history, but this will take time.”</p>
<p>Marty Didier<br />
Northbrook, IL</p>
<p>Marty — it is really important to distinguish “good” history from conspiracy theory — understand where they overlap a bit, and where they are very different.  In the case of David Kaiser’s recent book, “The Road to Dallas” what he has done is simply apply the methods of Historical research to the topic — use the contemporaneous and in a limited way, subsequent documentary evidence, piece it together as one would a jig-saw puzzle, examine very closely the fit between pieces, and tell the story that seems to contain all the reliable documentary evidence, and discount the pieces that don’t fit.  </p>
<p>With regard to the Kennedy Assassination, we absolutely have to do this, because over the years a great deal of dissinformation has been pushed into the case — not only by people protecting themselves, but by many who wanted to make money off the carcuss. We also have many well meaning people who pushed versions of the story, but made serious errors.  In no way am I saying Kaiser is the last word on this — hardly, it is simply he is really the first true classic historian to spend more than 20 years on the subject, with the same methods he used to discover the flaws in the early Vietnam Policy — and before that, with studies of the diplomacy of King Phillip II of Spain.  </p>
<p>So what did I learn from his book.  First of all, the involvement of the mob in aspects of Cuban Policy was not Kennedy’s responsibility at all — it was Eisenhower’s, and the networks that existed in the late 50’s and early 60’s were created by OSS during World War II, networks of which Allen Dulles was very much aware.  Dulles of course headed CIA in Eisenhower’s day — but in the first year of Kennedy’s Administration, and Dulles brought to the table long experience of working with the mob.  He had used it in Italy during the period from the initial invasion in 1943 until the war’s end, It was an intelligence asset, it organized behind the lines efforts in Italy against the Germans, and above all, it was anti-Communist and could work in parallel with the Catholic Church.  Dulles had just kept this network — this set of relations — alive in the post war era, after all he owed, and he continued to use it in the early days of the Cold War.  All this information, in detail, is in now open CIA and OSS documents. You can read not only this, but all FBI investigative files on the key individuals, and yes, eventually court transcripts in trials of individuals — and if you work as a good historian, eventually you have a decent picture of who worked with whom in what line of ‘business’, what were the lines of loyality over time, What is the hierarchy?  Kaiser pretty much establishes that during the Eisenhower Era, the mob could use Cuba as a place to do business, and authorities would look the other way, as a kind of reward for services rendered, while at the sametime new requests for services came from those in CIA, mostly old OSS types.  Cuba was, of course something of a mess, and in addition to Castro, there were other reform and coup planning groups in the 50’s — and the mob infiltrated all of them, in both their own business interests and at the beheast of CIA. In fact Kaiser has tracked a number of arms deals that delivered US assets to Castro between 56 and 59 that were executed probably with CIA knowledge by those involved with mob business interests.  </p>
<p>OK — then between 56 and 60 you have both Kennedy Brothers, John in the Senate, and Robert as Counsel or Chief Counsel to Senate investigations of the mob, laying the groundwork for a major DoJ investigation of US based mob business activity, something that only grew in intensity after Robert became Attorney General.  In essence you have a Kennedy Administration that inherits a CIA that does business with the mob, and a Kennedy Administration that sets up the Justice Department to crusade for a take-down of the mob.  And many of DoJ’s targets are one in the same with the CIA’s contacts.  (We want you to use your assets to take out Castro, but in the meantime we plan to indict you on charges that can send you up for life to the Big House.)  As Kaiser puts document after document on the table telling this story, you begin to gradually realize this is not really a conspiracy of any sort of classical nature (people planning and then taking action to further the plan) — it is incoherent policy. </p>
<p>Of course in all this there is the small conspiracy, who gives an order to take JFK down, who may have known a piece of the plan, passed along an approval, — but that is all small potatoes to knowing why.</p>
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		<title>By: gonbald</title>
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		<dc:creator>gonbald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Now it’s changing to “a trillion here and a trillon there”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: MartyDidier</title>
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		<dc:creator>MartyDidier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sara November 22nd, 2008 at 3:06 pm &amp; RevBev @ 166…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Sara, thanks for the added information.&lt;/strong&gt;  I always appreciate any input.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;RevBev, thanks for you comment.&lt;/strong&gt;  I’m not an authority on JFK’s assassination.  However what I do know is what the family explained to the family members while I was with them for more than 26 years.  No doubt anyone married in a close nit family for a long time would learn more than they wished to learn about their lives.  In this case, it turned out to be something that continues to give me many &lt;strong&gt;“Oh My God”&lt;/strong&gt; days.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My continued reference to being in this family may make many wonder, but as time ticks by what they are, is steadily surfacing in the news.  The unfortunate part is as being &lt;strong&gt;CIA Assets&lt;/strong&gt;, they are protected.  There’s evidence showing the results of this protection in the news only if you know what to look for.  &lt;em&gt;One area is most obvious&lt;/em&gt; but still most aren’t able to understand.  Unfortunately most don’t have a clue but they are starting to catch on.  Along with this are blocks being used to halt anyone from researching anything deeply.  On this note, I’ve been posting parts of my story for a long time, some has been scrubbed out and some remain.  &lt;strong&gt;The news now is starting to sound in concert with what I’ve been saying so eventually everything is going to click.  &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can understand the concern for those run of the mill conspiracy stories but &lt;em&gt;sadly this isn’t the case for me&lt;/em&gt;.  And again, to even discuss this would be another long post and one I’m not willing to engage in at this time.  So everyone is spared the pain.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What the family told me about JFK was explained in my post in brief.  They also told me that one of the main reasons for his assassination was because he was working towards getting rid of the Federal Reserve.  Shortly after his assassination, the Bill he wrote was thrown out.  Plus with what I know, there are other larger explanations to explain what is happening.  I would expect more of this to surface in the news in the near future.  Expect changes towards the truth with what has been understood to be our history, but this will take time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Marty Didier&lt;br /&gt;
Northbrook, IL&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara November 22nd, 2008 at 3:06 pm &amp; RevBev @ 166…</p>
<p><strong>Sara, thanks for the added information.</strong>  I always appreciate any input.</p>
<p><strong>RevBev, thanks for you comment.</strong>  I’m not an authority on JFK’s assassination.  However what I do know is what the family explained to the family members while I was with them for more than 26 years.  No doubt anyone married in a close nit family for a long time would learn more than they wished to learn about their lives.  In this case, it turned out to be something that continues to give me many <strong>“Oh My God”</strong> days.  </p>
<p>My continued reference to being in this family may make many wonder, but as time ticks by what they are, is steadily surfacing in the news.  The unfortunate part is as being <strong>CIA Assets</strong>, they are protected.  There’s evidence showing the results of this protection in the news only if you know what to look for.  <em>One area is most obvious</em> but still most aren’t able to understand.  Unfortunately most don’t have a clue but they are starting to catch on.  Along with this are blocks being used to halt anyone from researching anything deeply.  On this note, I’ve been posting parts of my story for a long time, some has been scrubbed out and some remain.  <strong>The news now is starting to sound in concert with what I’ve been saying so eventually everything is going to click.  </strong></p>
<p>I can understand the concern for those run of the mill conspiracy stories but <em>sadly this isn’t the case for me</em>.  And again, to even discuss this would be another long post and one I’m not willing to engage in at this time.  So everyone is spared the pain.  </p>
<p>What the family told me about JFK was explained in my post in brief.  They also told me that one of the main reasons for his assassination was because he was working towards getting rid of the Federal Reserve.  Shortly after his assassination, the Bill he wrote was thrown out.  Plus with what I know, there are other larger explanations to explain what is happening.  I would expect more of this to surface in the news in the near future.  Expect changes towards the truth with what has been understood to be our history, but this will take time.</p>
<p>Marty Didier<br />
Northbrook, IL</p>
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		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think this is a random encounter. NeelDeesit would have been a year behind me, and more than likely knew one of my brothers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You could have been informed via the intercom.  I was…just as my class was informed when it was our turn to go to the office for the polio sugar cubes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could have been informed via the intercom.  I was…just as my class was informed when it was our turn to go to the office for the polio sugar cubes.</p>
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