Comments on: No Wonder the Siegelman Prosecutor Didn’t Want an Investigation of the Juror Emails http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: radiofreewill http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114053 radiofreewill Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:00:54 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114053 <p>bmaz at 15</p> <p>My apologies for dropping-in a passionate OT at 12.</p> <p>There’s a saying related to Karma in Buddhism:</p> <p>Sow a Thought, Reap a Habit<br /> Sow a Habit, Reap a Character<br /> Sow a Character, Reap a Destiny</p> <p>So, start with the thought - ’Torture is okay’ (the Bush ’dead or alive’ model), or ’If I don’t hear those Detainee screams, they don’t count’ (the Congressional Leadership ’look-away’ model) - and it’s not too hard to guess the Destiny for those individuals - those folks are going to live in Hell, until they go to Hell when they die their miserable deaths.</p> <p>What people don’t seem to realize is that this same iron-clad Karmic consequence applies Equally to Nations, as well.</p> <p>If We don’t apply Justice to The Monsters of Commission and Omission, then their Destiny will be Our Destiny, too.</p> <p>In Reality, not being members of the ICC, or passing some kind of ’Ablution’ Act, doesn’t change Our obligation to do the right thing when Our Leaders fail US - and for the sake of All of US, We must especially do the right thing when Our Leaders fail US.</p> bmaz at 15

My apologies for dropping-in a passionate OT at 12.

There’s a saying related to Karma in Buddhism:

Sow a Thought, Reap a Habit
Sow a Habit, Reap a Character
Sow a Character, Reap a Destiny

So, start with the thought – ’Torture is okay’ (the Bush ’dead or alive’ model), or ’If I don’t hear those Detainee screams, they don’t count’ (the Congressional Leadership ’look-away’ model) – and it’s not too hard to guess the Destiny for those individuals – those folks are going to live in Hell, until they go to Hell when they die their miserable deaths.

What people don’t seem to realize is that this same iron-clad Karmic consequence applies Equally to Nations, as well.

If We don’t apply Justice to The Monsters of Commission and Omission, then their Destiny will be Our Destiny, too.

In Reality, not being members of the ICC, or passing some kind of ’Ablution’ Act, doesn’t change Our obligation to do the right thing when Our Leaders fail US – and for the sake of All of US, We must especially do the right thing when Our Leaders fail US.

]]> By: demi http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114047 demi Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:56:56 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114047 <p>I’m pretty sure there is something to do between the empty impeachment mantra and just grinning and moving on.<br /> Neither works for me.<br /> You might want to widen your imagination of possibilities.<br /> I have to run to a meeting. Don’t think I’m blowing you off. I hate Friday late afternoon meetings. But, I’m realistic kind of person. When I’m not being realistically idealistic.<br /> Ha.</p> I’m pretty sure there is something to do between the empty impeachment mantra and just grinning and moving on.
Neither works for me.
You might want to widen your imagination of possibilities.
I have to run to a meeting. Don’t think I’m blowing you off. I hate Friday late afternoon meetings. But, I’m realistic kind of person. When I’m not being realistically idealistic.
Ha.

]]> By: JThomason http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114046 JThomason Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:50:32 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114046 <p>No, in all seriousness what do you suggest as a remedy if this political meddling in the legal system can be traced back through the DOJ to Rove and Bush? Or is this about grinning and bearing it and moving on?</p> No, in all seriousness what do you suggest as a remedy if this political meddling in the legal system can be traced back through the DOJ to Rove and Bush? Or is this about grinning and bearing it and moving on?

]]> By: Margot http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114045 Margot Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:50:09 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114045 <p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/the-plusses-and-minuses-of-clinton-as-secretary-of-state/" rel="nofollow">New post</a> from Ian</p> New post from Ian

]]> By: demi http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114044 demi Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:46:03 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114044 <p>Uh, no.</p> Uh, no.

]]> By: DWBartoo http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114043 DWBartoo Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:42:05 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114043 <p>Absolutely, Tamarah Grimes deserves our appreciation and respect.</p> <p>There are many others, far too many others who deserve something quite different.</p> <p>It will be quite a ‘test’, for Justice and for the law … to see if what is ‘deserved’ is actually metted out.</p> <p>The ‘results’ will be a ‘measure’ of the entire legal system and its future ‘worth’.</p> Absolutely, Tamarah Grimes deserves our appreciation and respect.

There are many others, far too many others who deserve something quite different.

It will be quite a ‘test’, for Justice and for the law … to see if what is ‘deserved’ is actually metted out.

The ‘results’ will be a ‘measure’ of the entire legal system and its future ‘worth’.

]]> By: JThomason http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114042 JThomason Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:41:32 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114042 <p>That last hit was a doozey. And yet it was decades ago.</p> That last hit was a doozey. And yet it was decades ago.

]]> By: JThomason http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114040 JThomason Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:40:18 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114040 <p>throw, even</p> throw, even

]]> By: JThomason http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114039 JThomason Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:38:08 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114039 <p>Huh?</p> Huh?

]]> By: JThomason http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114038 JThomason Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:37:36 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/no-wonder-the-prosecutor-didnt-want-an-investigation-of-the-juror-emails/#comment-114038 <p>Sure, through a governor in the clink for political advantage as long as the beltway is well fed.</p> Sure, through a governor in the clink for political advantage as long as the beltway is well fed.

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