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		<title>By: pluege</title>
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		<dc:creator>pluege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;What’s most remarkable about Obama’s win is that he outperformed Clinton in 1992, Gore, and Kerry in the county.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Comparing Obama’s victory to any other Democrat including FDR in 1932 is complete bullshit. This year is such an extraordinary time not seen in 75 years, not seen ever in America. Obama was running against the most reviled president in the history of the US. To make any grand sweeping conclusions explicit or implicit about Obama greatness from this election is self-delusional foolishness. Any Democrat, alive or dead should have been able to win this year. No such situation will exist in 2012 or anytime again soon (hopefully).  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What all Americans who supported Obama should be doing is thanking:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;* the millions of Iraqis and the thousands of US troops dead, maimed, and suffering&lt;br /&gt;
* the billions of humans suffering and that will yet suffer as a result of the lost opportunity cost of AT LEAST $1 trillion squandered&lt;br /&gt;
* the who knows how many torture victims and hundreds indefinitely detained and denied basic human rights&lt;br /&gt;
* the dead and still suffering of New Orleans&lt;br /&gt;
* the millions of Americans who have lost their homes, jobs, and/or savings to the greed and malfeasance of the wealthy ruling class&lt;br /&gt;
* the victims of hate crimes and profiling from the intentional fanning of fear and intolerance&lt;br /&gt;
* the victims that have, and will arise from undermining and constraining science&lt;br /&gt;
* the millions of Americans pushed further into poverty and living without decent healthcare or one illness away from financial ruin&lt;br /&gt;
* and untold others’ suffering from the massive destruction and open criminality they paid, continue to pay, and will pay as the price for enough Americans to finally reject and stop the damage and disaster of the bush administration and all bush represents – it all should never have happened, and once started should have been ended a hell of a lot sooner. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;America owes humanity a gigantic goddamn apology for subjecting the world to bush for so long… not the usual Narcissist self-congratulations.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What’s most remarkable about Obama’s win is that he outperformed Clinton in 1992, Gore, and Kerry in the county.</em></p>
<p>Comparing Obama’s victory to any other Democrat including FDR in 1932 is complete bullshit. This year is such an extraordinary time not seen in 75 years, not seen ever in America. Obama was running against the most reviled president in the history of the US. To make any grand sweeping conclusions explicit or implicit about Obama greatness from this election is self-delusional foolishness. Any Democrat, alive or dead should have been able to win this year. No such situation will exist in 2012 or anytime again soon (hopefully).  </p>
<p>What all Americans who supported Obama should be doing is thanking:</p>
<p>* the millions of Iraqis and the thousands of US troops dead, maimed, and suffering<br />
* the billions of humans suffering and that will yet suffer as a result of the lost opportunity cost of AT LEAST $1 trillion squandered<br />
* the who knows how many torture victims and hundreds indefinitely detained and denied basic human rights<br />
* the dead and still suffering of New Orleans<br />
* the millions of Americans who have lost their homes, jobs, and/or savings to the greed and malfeasance of the wealthy ruling class<br />
* the victims of hate crimes and profiling from the intentional fanning of fear and intolerance<br />
* the victims that have, and will arise from undermining and constraining science<br />
* the millions of Americans pushed further into poverty and living without decent healthcare or one illness away from financial ruin<br />
* and untold others’ suffering from the massive destruction and open criminality they paid, continue to pay, and will pay as the price for enough Americans to finally reject and stop the damage and disaster of the bush administration and all bush represents – it all should never have happened, and once started should have been ended a hell of a lot sooner. </p>
<p>America owes humanity a gigantic goddamn apology for subjecting the world to bush for so long… not the usual Narcissist self-congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;hate is basically a luxury item&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thats good I will borrow it sometime I’m sure. Obama needs to borrow it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>hate is basically a luxury item</p>
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<p>Thats good I will borrow it sometime I’m sure. Obama needs to borrow it.</p>
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		<title>By: Margot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/12/blue-america-welcomes-back-senator-elect-jeff-merkley-d-or/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Senator-Elect Merkley &lt;/a&gt;is upstairs&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/12/blue-america-welcomes-back-senator-elect-jeff-merkley-d-or/" rel="nofollow">Senator-Elect Merkley </a>is upstairs</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;while fewer than 30 percent focus on “affirmative action for minorities who don’t take responsibility for their lives” and illegal immigrants “getting free government benefits.” They have a clear theory on who is responsible and blacks and other minorities are barely in the line of fire.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  30% the same number as Bush’s support was its lower now. But that would mean that CNN’s Lou Dobbs and Glen Beck never mind Rush, Malkin, Hannity etc are not swaying voters/creating reality by &lt;strike&gt;reporting&lt;/strike&gt; the News/Propaganda.&lt;br /&gt;
    If Macomb forecasts national change then the GOP MSM failed to convince people that minorities were to blame.&lt;br /&gt;
    The Reagen Playbook failed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>while fewer than 30 percent focus on “affirmative action for minorities who don’t take responsibility for their lives” and illegal immigrants “getting free government benefits.” They have a clear theory on who is responsible and blacks and other minorities are barely in the line of fire.</p>
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<p>  30% the same number as Bush’s support was its lower now. But that would mean that CNN’s Lou Dobbs and Glen Beck never mind Rush, Malkin, Hannity etc are not swaying voters/creating reality by <strike>reporting</strike> the News/Propaganda.<br />
    If Macomb forecasts national change then the GOP MSM failed to convince people that minorities were to blame.<br />
    The Reagen Playbook failed.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In 1960, Macomb was the most Democratic suburban county in the country as John F. Kennedy won handily there, garnering 63 percent of the vote. Four years later, Lyndon Johnson increased the Democratic vote share even further, winning 75 percent of Macomb voters. But over the next 20 years, these voters turned on the Democrats, culminating with Ronald Reagan taking 66 percent of the vote in 1984.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  Notice the correlation JFK, Reagan, Obama Popular Presidents Dem and GOP Macomb going big for a President suggests a populist Popular President who good or evil will have a mandate to change things.&lt;br /&gt;
    Middle class hardworking people trying to move up but what else? Forget predicting Reagen Democrats they predict &lt;em&gt;Change&lt;/em&gt; but why?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In 1960, Macomb was the most Democratic suburban county in the country as John F. Kennedy won handily there, garnering 63 percent of the vote. Four years later, Lyndon Johnson increased the Democratic vote share even further, winning 75 percent of Macomb voters. But over the next 20 years, these voters turned on the Democrats, culminating with Ronald Reagan taking 66 percent of the vote in 1984.</p>
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<p>  Notice the correlation JFK, Reagan, Obama Popular Presidents Dem and GOP Macomb going big for a President suggests a populist Popular President who good or evil will have a mandate to change things.<br />
    Middle class hardworking people trying to move up but what else? Forget predicting Reagen Democrats they predict <em>Change</em> but why?</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let us light a candle for rover and all his high-falutin’ theoretical dubblecross-schtickin’.  *waving bye bye to the deflated little twerp*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;apologies.  i seem to have lost my manners.  ah well.  all that ends…. thusly. ;-&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks Marcy &amp; all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us light a candle for rover and all his high-falutin’ theoretical dubblecross-schtickin’.  *waving bye bye to the deflated little twerp*</p>
<p>apologies.  i seem to have lost my manners.  ah well.  all that ends…. thusly. ;-&gt;</p>
<p>Thanks Marcy &amp; all.</p>
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		<title>By: ThreadTheorist</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThreadTheorist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Usually I refrain from calling public figures “crazy”, but Sarah Palin is really making such restraint very difficult. In her &lt;a href=&quot;http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CNN interview with Wolf Blitzer&lt;/a&gt; she has said&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin said Wednesday she would be honored to help out President-elect Barack Obama in his new administration, even if he did hang around with an “unrepentant domestic terrorist.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The CNN headline asks the question of whether Palin will have a role in an Obama administration. A more pertinent headline would be “Is Palin insane?”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually I refrain from calling public figures “crazy”, but Sarah Palin is really making such restraint very difficult. In her <a href="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/" rel="nofollow">CNN interview with Wolf Blitzer</a> she has said</p>
<blockquote><p>Former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin said Wednesday she would be honored to help out President-elect Barack Obama in his new administration, even if he did hang around with an “unrepentant domestic terrorist.”</p>
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<p>The CNN headline asks the question of whether Palin will have a role in an Obama administration. A more pertinent headline would be “Is Palin insane?”</p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What happened to the Upper Peninsula in the picture? Did Sarah put it in the belly of the plane?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to the Upper Peninsula in the picture? Did Sarah put it in the belly of the plane?</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/12/black-man-wins-back-reagan-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-113464</link>
		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Evidently there are some parts of the country that have to much money./s&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidently there are some parts of the country that have to much money./s</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;with all the hoopla about prop 8 here in Cali, you’d probably be surprised to know that I’m represented by a gay city council person&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and I live in the heart of redneck california&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;when it came down to a person whose lifestyle is different, and a person who fucks up everything he touches, my neighbors managed to overcome their fears and vote for the competent candidate&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;hate is basically a luxury item around here&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we couldn’t afford it anymore&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with all the hoopla about prop 8 here in Cali, you’d probably be surprised to know that I’m represented by a gay city council person</p>
<p>and I live in the heart of redneck california</p>
<p>when it came down to a person whose lifestyle is different, and a person who fucks up everything he touches, my neighbors managed to overcome their fears and vote for the competent candidate</p>
<p>hate is basically a luxury item around here</p>
<p>we couldn’t afford it anymore</p>
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