Comments on: The New Landscape in Alaska for the Wasilla Wonder http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:18:47 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Neil http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-113147 Neil Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:46:28 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/#comment-113147 <p>This op-ed illustrates is an interesting historical parallel of an American political party going in two directions, not unlike the GOP fundies and fiscal conservatives. It’s a battle outside her sphere of influence and the outcome is undetermined. The battle may have more influence over the 2012 nominee than the Palin particulars you identify. That said, I think you’re right, also. </p> <blockquote><p><strong>Echoes of Fillmore and the GOP Know-Nothings</strong><br /> By <em>Timothy M. Gay</em>, Boston Globe</p> <p>Sarah Palin’s Alaska still belonged to czarist Russia when the Know-Nothings were spewing their peculiar brand of bigotry in the 1850s. <strong><br /><a href="http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/11/10/echoes_of_fillmore_and_the_gop_know_nothings/" rel="nofollow"><br /> MORE</a></strong></p></blockquote> This op-ed illustrates is an interesting historical parallel of an American political party going in two directions, not unlike the GOP fundies and fiscal conservatives. It’s a battle outside her sphere of influence and the outcome is undetermined. The battle may have more influence over the 2012 nominee than the Palin particulars you identify. That said, I think you’re right, also.

Echoes of Fillmore and the GOP Know-Nothings
By Timothy M. Gay, Boston Globe

Sarah Palin’s Alaska still belonged to czarist Russia when the Know-Nothings were spewing their peculiar brand of bigotry in the 1850s.

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]]> By: rapt http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-112952 rapt Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:36:47 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/#comment-112952 <p>EW you are still insisting that everyone has a practical approach like you do. I’m not criticizing - I like your stuff and read most of it. As freepatriot has been suggesting, those few bases you cite for Palin’s popularity are really irrelevant for a lot of folks; they like her cos she’s cute, a mother, etc. and oh such a relief from all those serious but incomprehensible gray heads that keep on lying to us.</p> <p>So what if she’s clueless. I’d call her popularity more of a whiplash effect from people who are fed up with politics as usual. It really isn’t such a stretch to award the office of president to a country bimbo - see if she can do better at it than a gang of criminals. That is an entirely appropriate reaction finally, to the ridiculous charade our govt has become.</p> EW you are still insisting that everyone has a practical approach like you do. I’m not criticizing – I like your stuff and read most of it. As freepatriot has been suggesting, those few bases you cite for Palin’s popularity are really irrelevant for a lot of folks; they like her cos she’s cute, a mother, etc. and oh such a relief from all those serious but incomprehensible gray heads that keep on lying to us.

So what if she’s clueless. I’d call her popularity more of a whiplash effect from people who are fed up with politics as usual. It really isn’t such a stretch to award the office of president to a country bimbo – see if she can do better at it than a gang of criminals. That is an entirely appropriate reaction finally, to the ridiculous charade our govt has become.

]]> By: freepatriot http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-112924 freepatriot Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:44:22 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/#comment-112924 <blockquote><p><strong>Um, please review our contract.</strong></p></blockquote> <p>sorry, no can do</p> <p>ran outta rolling papers back in August …</p> <p>hope that was non-toxic ink, btw …</p> <p>(cough)</p>

Um, please review our contract.

sorry, no can do

ran outta rolling papers back in August …

hope that was non-toxic ink, btw …

(cough)

]]> By: freepatriot http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-112923 freepatriot Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:38:27 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/#comment-112923 <p>I’m assuming that princess pandora’s popularity is based <strong><em>IN</em></strong> a group of people who don’t care about all of the things you list</p> <p>the wingnut fundies support sister sarah cuz she’s a fundie wingnut, like them</p> <p>they don’t care about competence, or ability to get things done</p> <p>princess pandora’s daughter is a perfect example. the fundie wingnuts HATE premarital sex, but they just adore bristol palin</p> <p>why ???</p> <p>because the facts and the hypocrisy don’t matter</p> <p>bristol palin mouths the same beliefs that the fundies do, and that’s enough to wash away all sin</p> <p>in their view, nobody on the planet is bad because he sins. People are bad because they don’t agree with the wingnuts, no matter what the people do</p> <p>popularity amongst the freepi is based on beliefs, not actions or competence</p> <p>I think you discount that</p> <p>the fundies have been studying Obama’s internet cash raising methods. They figure they can equal Obama’s supporter numbers (how many individual doners did Obama have ???) The fundies have been burned by the money boys’ candidates before. In 2012, the fundies are gonna invite themselves to the dance</p> <p>the fundies are gonna support a candidate of their own in 2012, I just know it</p> <p>who can you see dethroning the “drilla from wasilla” amongst the wingnuts ???</p> <p>pick another nutter, or get used to her being the leading repuglitard contender in 2012</p> <p>unless somebody drops a house on her sister …</p> I’m assuming that princess pandora’s popularity is based IN a group of people who don’t care about all of the things you list

the wingnut fundies support sister sarah cuz she’s a fundie wingnut, like them

they don’t care about competence, or ability to get things done

princess pandora’s daughter is a perfect example. the fundie wingnuts HATE premarital sex, but they just adore bristol palin

why ???

because the facts and the hypocrisy don’t matter

bristol palin mouths the same beliefs that the fundies do, and that’s enough to wash away all sin

in their view, nobody on the planet is bad because he sins. People are bad because they don’t agree with the wingnuts, no matter what the people do

popularity amongst the freepi is based on beliefs, not actions or competence

I think you discount that

the fundies have been studying Obama’s internet cash raising methods. They figure they can equal Obama’s supporter numbers (how many individual doners did Obama have ???) The fundies have been burned by the money boys’ candidates before. In 2012, the fundies are gonna invite themselves to the dance

the fundies are gonna support a candidate of their own in 2012, I just know it

who can you see dethroning the “drilla from wasilla” amongst the wingnuts ???

pick another nutter, or get used to her being the leading repuglitard contender in 2012

unless somebody drops a house on her sister …

]]> By: AZ Matt http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-112917 AZ Matt Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:16:43 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/#comment-112917 <p><em>wanna bet they chose to support princess pandora just cuz you an the rest of us DFHs are picking on her ???</em></p> <p>Heck, seems like the McCain branch of the rethug party is picking on her more than any DFH.</p> wanna bet they chose to support princess pandora just cuz you an the rest of us DFHs are picking on her ???

Heck, seems like the McCain branch of the rethug party is picking on her more than any DFH.

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-112914 bmaz Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:09:19 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/#comment-112914 <blockquote><p>I could slip into academic mode, and write an analysis of what motivates these nutjobs without insulting them, but why bother ???</p></blockquote> <p>Um, please review our contract. That is not the work product for which we keep putting tasty trolls in your cage!</p>

I could slip into academic mode, and write an analysis of what motivates these nutjobs without insulting them, but why bother ???

Um, please review our contract. That is not the work product for which we keep putting tasty trolls in your cage!

]]> By: Downpuppy http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-112912 Downpuppy Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:01:00 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/#comment-112912 <p>Things are probably worse for the gas pipeline than you suggest. In the lower 48, there’s plenty of gas available by drilling in shale. Higher cost than old fashioned gas wells, yes, but we’ve done a lot of it and gas production has increased. We’re in year 3 of a near glut in gas.</p> Things are probably worse for the gas pipeline than you suggest. In the lower 48, there’s plenty of gas available by drilling in shale. Higher cost than old fashioned gas wells, yes, but we’ve done a lot of it and gas production has increased. We’re in year 3 of a near glut in gas.

]]> By: emptywheel http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-112911 emptywheel Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:59:58 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/#comment-112911 <p>Not really.</p> <p>I’m assuming Palin’s popularity is based on the things her popularity is currently based on: the claim tobeing able to get stuff done, the claim to being a fiscal conservative, the claim to being a family person. The claim to being wildly successful legislatively.</p> <p>Yes, Sarah Palin will still be a charismatic demagogue. But she will have a lot harder time playing the demagogue she played on TV this time around.</p> Not really.

I’m assuming Palin’s popularity is based on the things her popularity is currently based on: the claim tobeing able to get stuff done, the claim to being a fiscal conservative, the claim to being a family person. The claim to being wildly successful legislatively.

Yes, Sarah Palin will still be a charismatic demagogue. But she will have a lot harder time playing the demagogue she played on TV this time around.

]]> By: freepatriot http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-112910 freepatriot Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:59:07 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/#comment-112910 <p>here’s an off topic question</p> <p>paulson decided that he doesn’t have to explain which banks got bailout funds</p> <p>does this stupid fucker realize that he’s gonna have to EAT THOSE FUCKING WORDS ON JANUARY 20, 2009 ???</p> <p>do the repuglitards realize that the person who decides what to classify and what to declassify is gonna change in about two months ???</p> <p>does dickhead cheney realize how that “Instadeclassification” is gonna come in handy next year ???</p> <p>does kkkarl realize that the argument about executive privilege that has kept kkkarl out of the witness chair is gonna be REVOKED</p> <p>oh yeah, the United States Marshals’ Office is gonna adopt a different attitude about enforcing Congressional subpoenas too</p> <p>think that realization has been digested by some of these fools ???</p> <p><em><strong>The bases are loaded and casey’s at bat, TIME TO CHANGE THE PATTERN</strong></em></p> here’s an off topic question

paulson decided that he doesn’t have to explain which banks got bailout funds

does this stupid fucker realize that he’s gonna have to EAT THOSE FUCKING WORDS ON JANUARY 20, 2009 ???

do the repuglitards realize that the person who decides what to classify and what to declassify is gonna change in about two months ???

does dickhead cheney realize how that “Instadeclassification” is gonna come in handy next year ???

does kkkarl realize that the argument about executive privilege that has kept kkkarl out of the witness chair is gonna be REVOKED

oh yeah, the United States Marshals’ Office is gonna adopt a different attitude about enforcing Congressional subpoenas too

think that realization has been digested by some of these fools ???

The bases are loaded and casey’s at bat, TIME TO CHANGE THE PATTERN

]]> By: freepatriot http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-112906 freepatriot Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:50:49 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/the-new-landscape-in-alaska/#comment-112906 <p>you make the mistake of assuming you are dealing with rational actors here</p> <p>you do a pretty good job of itemizing why a logical person would not support princess pandora</p> <p>what about the fundie wingnuts ???</p> <p>we ain’t talkin bout logical people or rational actors there</p> <p>we’re dealing with a group of people we can call “Other Directed”</p> <p>I could slip into academic mode, and write an analysis of what motivates these nutjobs without insulting them, but why bother ???</p> <p>we’re talking about a group of people who spout a belief system that they themselves cannot measure up to. logic and reality don’t register in their calculations</p> <p>wanna bet they chose to support princess pandora just cuz you an the rest of us DFHs are picking on her ???</p> you make the mistake of assuming you are dealing with rational actors here

you do a pretty good job of itemizing why a logical person would not support princess pandora

what about the fundie wingnuts ???

we ain’t talkin bout logical people or rational actors there

we’re dealing with a group of people we can call “Other Directed”

I could slip into academic mode, and write an analysis of what motivates these nutjobs without insulting them, but why bother ???

we’re talking about a group of people who spout a belief system that they themselves cannot measure up to. logic and reality don’t register in their calculations

wanna bet they chose to support princess pandora just cuz you an the rest of us DFHs are picking on her ???

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