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	<title>Comments on: Pelosi and Reid Back an Auto Bailout</title>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/pelosi-and-reid-back-an-auto-bailout/comment-page-1/#comment-113358</link>
		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the response.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/pelosi-and-reid-back-an-auto-bailout/comment-page-1/#comment-113326</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heh, I actually have friends involved in the Fisker project; know it well.  It is a nice step, we’ll see.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Acuras are for grandmas; BMWs, that is a real driver’s sedan.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, I actually have friends involved in the Fisker project; know it well.  It is a nice step, we’ll see.</p>
<p>Acuras are for grandmas; BMWs, that is a real driver’s sedan.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You keep tempting me bmaz…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, you know what they say about a man who has the need for speed…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe this is more to your liking…a plug-in car!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/13/fisker-karma-to-project-a-jet-turbine-sound-using-speakers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.autoblog.com/2008/0.....-speakers/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbesautos.com/news/headlines/2008/march/ap031208-geneva-auto-show-superhybrids.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.forbesautos.com/new.....brids.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now that’s “responsible” sexy…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You keep tempting me bmaz…</p>
<p>Well, you know what they say about a man who has the need for speed…</p>
<p>Maybe this is more to your liking…a plug-in car!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/13/fisker-karma-to-project-a-jet-turbine-sound-using-speakers/" rel="nofollow">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/0&#8230;..-speakers/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbesautos.com/news/headlines/2008/march/ap031208-geneva-auto-show-superhybrids.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbesautos.com/new&#8230;..brids.html</a></p>
<p>Now that’s “responsible” sexy…</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heh heh; talk to me when it can do 150 mph and get from 0-60 in under 6 seconds.  But I do love the progress and passion!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh heh; talk to me when it can do 150 mph and get from 0-60 in under 6 seconds.  But I do love the progress and passion!</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/pelosi-and-reid-back-an-auto-bailout/comment-page-1/#comment-113164</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Then you should appreciate the fact…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
India’s largest automaker Tata Motors is set to start producing the world’s first commercial air-powered vehicle. The Air Car, developed by &lt;strong&gt;ex-Formula One engineer Guy Nègre for Luxembourg-based MDI&lt;/strong&gt;, uses compressed air, as opposed to the gas-and-oxygen explosions of internal-combustion models, to push its engine’s pistons.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(My bold)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most of the time art is a reflection of history and social change.  Since you mention art…Generally, art is a material based human response made with the intention of stimulating thoughts and emotions. An &lt;em&gt;art movement&lt;/em&gt; is a tendency or style in art with a specific common philosophy or goal, followed by a group of artists during a restricted period of time. Many times the artists are influenced by the need to communicate ideas, such as in politically-, spiritually-, or philosophically-motivated concepts to reflect the changes happening in society. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pneumatic cars are the avant-garde of next generation car engine design. You strike me as one who just might be progressive enough to catch the pneumatic car wave and become an alternative clean based driver…but then you could be a status quo kind of guy.  Push your boundaries bmaz…You can do it, especially if the car can do 98 mph and go 100 miles on a tank of alternative fuel and pretty much drive on air. And there are some sporty designs which will hit the market.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway, my point all along, is that Tata is serious about this.  They have plant designs ready to go and are breaking ground in a number of states soon. This is not going away and Detroit has not even taken a look at this technology in a serious way. Their BIG mistake. Many of the X-prize cars selected for the X-car race have some element of pneumatic engine design and are quite sporty. Look at the list of designers with intent to make the 2009 cross-country race. These small design teams are going to be the next Detroit. Detroit is blowing it…excuse the pun.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then you should appreciate the fact…</p>
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India’s largest automaker Tata Motors is set to start producing the world’s first commercial air-powered vehicle. The Air Car, developed by <strong>ex-Formula One engineer Guy Nègre for Luxembourg-based MDI</strong>, uses compressed air, as opposed to the gas-and-oxygen explosions of internal-combustion models, to push its engine’s pistons.</p>
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<p>(My bold)</p>
<p>Most of the time art is a reflection of history and social change.  Since you mention art…Generally, art is a material based human response made with the intention of stimulating thoughts and emotions. An <em>art movement</em> is a tendency or style in art with a specific common philosophy or goal, followed by a group of artists during a restricted period of time. Many times the artists are influenced by the need to communicate ideas, such as in politically-, spiritually-, or philosophically-motivated concepts to reflect the changes happening in society. </p>
<p>Pneumatic cars are the avant-garde of next generation car engine design. You strike me as one who just might be progressive enough to catch the pneumatic car wave and become an alternative clean based driver…but then you could be a status quo kind of guy.  Push your boundaries bmaz…You can do it, especially if the car can do 98 mph and go 100 miles on a tank of alternative fuel and pretty much drive on air. And there are some sporty designs which will hit the market.</p>
<p>Anyway, my point all along, is that Tata is serious about this.  They have plant designs ready to go and are breaking ground in a number of states soon. This is not going away and Detroit has not even taken a look at this technology in a serious way. Their BIG mistake. Many of the X-prize cars selected for the X-car race have some element of pneumatic engine design and are quite sporty. Look at the list of designers with intent to make the 2009 cross-country race. These small design teams are going to be the next Detroit. Detroit is blowing it…excuse the pun.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/10/pelosi-and-reid-back-an-auto-bailout/comment-page-1/#comment-113114</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I admire and dearly love your passion and effort, but you ain’t getting me in one of those pillboxes.  If it is not from Bavaria, Stuttgart or Maranello it just isn’t going to excite me.  But I grew up around cars, classic cars and racing cars; they are not transportation to me, they are an art form and a way of life.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admire and dearly love your passion and effort, but you ain’t getting me in one of those pillboxes.  If it is not from Bavaria, Stuttgart or Maranello it just isn’t going to excite me.  But I grew up around cars, classic cars and racing cars; they are not transportation to me, they are an art form and a way of life.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;90 was for bmaz.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>90 was for bmaz.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Try looking at this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://zeropollutionmotors.us/?page_id=54&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://zeropollutionmotors.us/?page_id=54&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try looking at this:</p>
<p><a href="http://zeropollutionmotors.us/?page_id=54" rel="nofollow">http://zeropollutionmotors.us/?page_id=54</a></p>
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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But if they don’t get bailed out, you’re going to see another tremendous blow to the economy that is fairly widespread&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes.  But personally, I’m not at all convinced detroit’s even viable any more.  What are the odds dropping $50b into GM is going to turn things around?  They’ve been headed towards ground 0 for quite a while now.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyone have stats on big 3’s cost per car compared to Jap/Korean majors?  As of a couple years ago or so, GM had somewhat closed the gap but still well short of catching up.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Personally, I’m not convinced the $2(?)t spent so far on this mess has been worthwhile at all… far from it actually.  Give state of US balance sheet, if someone asked me I’d want to see good evidence supporting the notion throwing $$ @ Detroit will actually work.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But if they don’t get bailed out, you’re going to see another tremendous blow to the economy that is fairly widespread</p>
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<p>Yes.  But personally, I’m not at all convinced detroit’s even viable any more.  What are the odds dropping $50b into GM is going to turn things around?  They’ve been headed towards ground 0 for quite a while now.  </p>
<p>Anyone have stats on big 3’s cost per car compared to Jap/Korean majors?  As of a couple years ago or so, GM had somewhat closed the gap but still well short of catching up.  </p>
<p>Personally, I’m not convinced the $2(?)t spent so far on this mess has been worthwhile at all… far from it actually.  Give state of US balance sheet, if someone asked me I’d want to see good evidence supporting the notion throwing $$ @ Detroit will actually work.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They bought the rights to ZPM.  The ZPM car is a different car from the Nano being produced in India but both cars have the compressed air technology. Any compressed air technology engine design is being bought up by Tata.  The ZPM will have a 6 seater by 2011-12 that can also reach 96 mph.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They bought the rights to ZPM.  The ZPM car is a different car from the Nano being produced in India but both cars have the compressed air technology. Any compressed air technology engine design is being bought up by Tata.  The ZPM will have a 6 seater by 2011-12 that can also reach 96 mph.</p>
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