Comments on: Getting Out the Democratic Vote–at the Birthplace of the Republican Party http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:47:05 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: JEP07 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/comment-page-1/#comment-111221 JEP07 Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:32:04 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/#comment-111221 <p>“…the park was founded in 1987, so the historian can be forgiven for his or her silence about what the Republican party has become in the twenty-first century!).”</p> <p>After Nixon AND Reagan, (par5ticularly, in this context, considering Reagan’s patented appeal to southern bigotry) any historian is excused from recognizing the degradation of Lincoln’s Party, because the Bushes hadn’t sealed the deal? </p> <p>Seems to me, anyone with the label “historian” should have seen the GOP sleaze sticking to the walls long before the Bush dynasty devastated the party and brought it to the brink of third-party status.</p> <p>Also, the lionization of Reagan, who was one of our most confused and contrived Presidents, will eventually be de-constructed by future historians, especially that vain claim the Reagan ended the cold war.</p> <p>Sorry, R’s, it was a disaster called Chernobyl that split apart the Soviet Union, not your imaginery “Gipper.”. Your Hollywood construct is as much a cardboard cutout as his old Bonzo movie posters.</p> <p>EW, I’m not so forgiving as you. Historians should have recognized the direction the GOP was heading, when Eisenhower gave his famous “military-industrial complex” speech.</p> <p>His warning went unheeded for way too long.</p> “…the park was founded in 1987, so the historian can be forgiven for his or her silence about what the Republican party has become in the twenty-first century!).”

After Nixon AND Reagan, (par5ticularly, in this context, considering Reagan’s patented appeal to southern bigotry) any historian is excused from recognizing the degradation of Lincoln’s Party, because the Bushes hadn’t sealed the deal?

Seems to me, anyone with the label “historian” should have seen the GOP sleaze sticking to the walls long before the Bush dynasty devastated the party and brought it to the brink of third-party status.

Also, the lionization of Reagan, who was one of our most confused and contrived Presidents, will eventually be de-constructed by future historians, especially that vain claim the Reagan ended the cold war.

Sorry, R’s, it was a disaster called Chernobyl that split apart the Soviet Union, not your imaginery “Gipper.”. Your Hollywood construct is as much a cardboard cutout as his old Bonzo movie posters.

EW, I’m not so forgiving as you. Historians should have recognized the direction the GOP was heading, when Eisenhower gave his famous “military-industrial complex” speech.

His warning went unheeded for way too long.

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/comment-page-1/#comment-111204 Leen Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:23:16 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/#comment-111204 <p>Me too. Went with a friend who moved rather slow on Sunday morning. We ended up in the back. But quite honestly I am more interested in the make up of the crowd. This is the fifth time I have seen Obama since I first when to see him at St John’s Arena on Ohio States campus, (before he had tied up the nomination) then in Denver, Dayton, Portsmouth and yesterday in Columbus. The crowds have been very very diverse with the exception of the Ohio River town of Portsmouth. Folks are fired up. As Obama spoke yesterday I was really watching folks faces closely …so serious, deeply thoughtful… taking every word of Obama’s in. People want to believe. </p> <p>Tomorrow I will be an observer at Vets on Broad St. Will you be at the campaign watch party at the Renaissance?<br /><a href="http://www.ohiodems.org/site/c.mhLRKZPCLmF/b.4717565/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ohiodems.org/site/c.....b.4717565/</a></p> Me too. Went with a friend who moved rather slow on Sunday morning. We ended up in the back. But quite honestly I am more interested in the make up of the crowd. This is the fifth time I have seen Obama since I first when to see him at St John’s Arena on Ohio States campus, (before he had tied up the nomination) then in Denver, Dayton, Portsmouth and yesterday in Columbus. The crowds have been very very diverse with the exception of the Ohio River town of Portsmouth. Folks are fired up. As Obama spoke yesterday I was really watching folks faces closely …so serious, deeply thoughtful… taking every word of Obama’s in. People want to believe.

Tomorrow I will be an observer at Vets on Broad St. Will you be at the campaign watch party at the Renaissance?
http://www.ohiodems.org/site/c…..b.4717565/

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/comment-page-1/#comment-111201 Leen Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:09:57 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/#comment-111201 <p>Every lawyer friend I know here in Athens Ohio is an election judge and I just met a few of those out of town lawyers who have come to Ohio. A swarm of lawyers I believe 40 have come to Ohio </p> <p>It’s true I have never seen an election ground game like this. In August I spent a bunch of time in Obama offices in Denver and Boulder. Impressive..the team in Ohio is just as impressive. </p> <p>This morning I was on the streets in Glouster (coal mining town) this morning 8:oo-11:00, then on Ohio University’s campus from 12-2. So many folks have all ready voted and are volunteering. </p> <p> Still wish the Obama campaign would have made more effort to hire many of the unemployed die hard Dems in areas like Glouster, Trimble, Chauncey. Many of these folks need work and when the campaigns actually employ the locals it says a great deal. </p> <p>Obama is riding the wave of discontent. Many have had enough</p> Every lawyer friend I know here in Athens Ohio is an election judge and I just met a few of those out of town lawyers who have come to Ohio. A swarm of lawyers I believe 40 have come to Ohio

It’s true I have never seen an election ground game like this. In August I spent a bunch of time in Obama offices in Denver and Boulder. Impressive..the team in Ohio is just as impressive.

This morning I was on the streets in Glouster (coal mining town) this morning 8:oo-11:00, then on Ohio University’s campus from 12-2. So many folks have all ready voted and are volunteering.

Still wish the Obama campaign would have made more effort to hire many of the unemployed die hard Dems in areas like Glouster, Trimble, Chauncey. Many of these folks need work and when the campaigns actually employ the locals it says a great deal.

Obama is riding the wave of discontent. Many have had enough

]]> By: readerOfTeaLeaves http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/comment-page-1/#comment-111197 readerOfTeaLeaves Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:54:12 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/#comment-111197 <blockquote><p>hen there is <strong>the fun time Connell is likely to have today in TN, explaining why he rerouted the canvassing computer tallies in OH 2004 to his server farm for reshaping</strong>. Evidently, Connell is scheduled for deposition today November 3. [my bold]</p></blockquote> <p>Why, my goodness gracious.<br /> Why every one of my paws, whiskers, and tail twitches.</p> <p>Now that’s a connection that I’d not made in the past. That questionable server of Rover’s was in TN, wasn’t it…? I’d not connected those dots before.</p>

hen there is the fun time Connell is likely to have today in TN, explaining why he rerouted the canvassing computer tallies in OH 2004 to his server farm for reshaping. Evidently, Connell is scheduled for deposition today November 3. [my bold]

Why, my goodness gracious.
Why every one of my paws, whiskers, and tail twitches.

Now that’s a connection that I’d not made in the past. That questionable server of Rover’s was in TN, wasn’t it…? I’d not connected those dots before.

]]> By: BargainCountertenor http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/comment-page-1/#comment-111183 BargainCountertenor Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:17:45 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/#comment-111183 <p>Hackworth,</p> <p>The Civil War was <em>not</em> fought solely over slavery. It’s a gross oversimplification of history to think that slavery was the only issue. Of course there were financial issues intertwined with slavery issues. In fact, for Lincoln the only issue was the right of seccession. The Constitution envisions Statehood as a one-way door: there is no prescribed process for leaving the Union once admitted.</p> <p>Evidence that Lincoln in fact felt this way: <a href="http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm" rel="nofollow">“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.” </a></p> <p>Lincoln goes on to state that his personal belief was that all men should be free.</p> <p>We see things not terribly different today in the strange alliance of the latter-day robber barons and the talibangelicals.</p> Hackworth,

The Civil War was not fought solely over slavery. It’s a gross oversimplification of history to think that slavery was the only issue. Of course there were financial issues intertwined with slavery issues. In fact, for Lincoln the only issue was the right of seccession. The Constitution envisions Statehood as a one-way door: there is no prescribed process for leaving the Union once admitted.

Evidence that Lincoln in fact felt this way: “My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.”

Lincoln goes on to state that his personal belief was that all men should be free.

We see things not terribly different today in the strange alliance of the latter-day robber barons and the talibangelicals.

]]> By: JohnLopresti http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/comment-page-1/#comment-111181 JohnLopresti Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:11:52 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/#comment-111181 <p>MadDog asked an interesting question, perhaps some of the morphing of the new Republican party occurred when Gingrich decided the way forward was without a Department of Education, no Dept of Energy; modern Republicanism lost some vitality when the media began humoring Reagan jingoism based on the photogenicity of projectiles flying into Beirut; the equality early Republicans were determined to foster in their ranks endured a lame vitiation when George Bush Sr. introduced his family at his nominating convention designating the individuals sorted by their admix of race; then there were the secret prisons in the Baltic states Republicans accepted as their conduit to victory in a theopolitical war, the thousand signing statement revocations of law Charlie Savage documented at boston.com and in his book; the turning of the office of the vice president against the intell community by revealing the identity of one of theirs who was standing in the way of hype about her specialty, the international effort to suppress and work to eliminate entirely weapons intended for obliteration of civil populations. But the remnants of their party which survived were cherished by Josh Bolten, Hariet Miers, and Karl Rove, by Hans von Spakovsky, John Yoo, and Jay Bybee, and the frontier lady governor Palin. Mehlman can laugh because the line jamming equipment whose NH ops he oversaw is still legal. Theresa Payton can chuckle because hundreds of days of emails were ‘lost’. There are lots of Republicans who made it thru the eight years of Bush two, to start their party anew. Sara Taylor and Monica Goodling are available to help the Republican party see a new dawn and plan for a new administration. But McCain alone helped wreck the part of the old Republican party that tried to end comity in the senate by forcing judge nomination consideration by plurality vote without a cloture pressure valve, the so-called nuclear option. Bush remade Scotus sufficiently that Exxon just reported the most profitable quarter and series of quarters, ever, in the balance sheet of any US company, thanks to token cleanup penalties for the wreck of the Valdez long ago in the oiling of AK beaches. Reggie Walton helped salvage some respect for the remnants of the Republican Party. But, after the get out the vote campaigns have completed their work in the mid size cities of MI and OH and elsewhere, there will be need for regrouping if the Republican party is to have a truly modern configuration. Then there is the fun time Connell is likely to have today in TN, explaining why he rerouted the canvassing computer tallies in OH 2004 to his server farm for reshaping. Evidently, Connell is scheduled for <a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6600" rel="nofollow">deposition today</a> November 3. I suppose JAshcroft will vote gladly today for more of the same, as will Thor Hearne and MMukasey, but what they miss is the structural changes their party has undergone, that their roots have become tangled in problems they solved by preabolition methods which would have been unjustifiable to their own party’s founders. The moderns are living a risky fiction, however, as it would be pretty lonely for subsequent generations to recognize what has come undone, that Bush has withdrawn from arms control, denied global warming science, fostered third world government exploitation of resources for the benefit of first world companies and negotiated away paths to the middle class for minorities in those obscure nations. Much of this is within character for the modern Republican party, even if stretched to new bounds of irrelevance; I will wait to hear the neoPhoenix Republicans proclaim great fervor and zeal based upon the inspiration of their new visions post election this cycle, but they have a long way to go to prove their neocon elitism is something other than a mutant party more infavorable to minorities than their founders ever imagined, whether within the US or in other countries.</p> MadDog asked an interesting question, perhaps some of the morphing of the new Republican party occurred when Gingrich decided the way forward was without a Department of Education, no Dept of Energy; modern Republicanism lost some vitality when the media began humoring Reagan jingoism based on the photogenicity of projectiles flying into Beirut; the equality early Republicans were determined to foster in their ranks endured a lame vitiation when George Bush Sr. introduced his family at his nominating convention designating the individuals sorted by their admix of race; then there were the secret prisons in the Baltic states Republicans accepted as their conduit to victory in a theopolitical war, the thousand signing statement revocations of law Charlie Savage documented at boston.com and in his book; the turning of the office of the vice president against the intell community by revealing the identity of one of theirs who was standing in the way of hype about her specialty, the international effort to suppress and work to eliminate entirely weapons intended for obliteration of civil populations. But the remnants of their party which survived were cherished by Josh Bolten, Hariet Miers, and Karl Rove, by Hans von Spakovsky, John Yoo, and Jay Bybee, and the frontier lady governor Palin. Mehlman can laugh because the line jamming equipment whose NH ops he oversaw is still legal. Theresa Payton can chuckle because hundreds of days of emails were ‘lost’. There are lots of Republicans who made it thru the eight years of Bush two, to start their party anew. Sara Taylor and Monica Goodling are available to help the Republican party see a new dawn and plan for a new administration. But McCain alone helped wreck the part of the old Republican party that tried to end comity in the senate by forcing judge nomination consideration by plurality vote without a cloture pressure valve, the so-called nuclear option. Bush remade Scotus sufficiently that Exxon just reported the most profitable quarter and series of quarters, ever, in the balance sheet of any US company, thanks to token cleanup penalties for the wreck of the Valdez long ago in the oiling of AK beaches. Reggie Walton helped salvage some respect for the remnants of the Republican Party. But, after the get out the vote campaigns have completed their work in the mid size cities of MI and OH and elsewhere, there will be need for regrouping if the Republican party is to have a truly modern configuration. Then there is the fun time Connell is likely to have today in TN, explaining why he rerouted the canvassing computer tallies in OH 2004 to his server farm for reshaping. Evidently, Connell is scheduled for deposition today November 3. I suppose JAshcroft will vote gladly today for more of the same, as will Thor Hearne and MMukasey, but what they miss is the structural changes their party has undergone, that their roots have become tangled in problems they solved by preabolition methods which would have been unjustifiable to their own party’s founders. The moderns are living a risky fiction, however, as it would be pretty lonely for subsequent generations to recognize what has come undone, that Bush has withdrawn from arms control, denied global warming science, fostered third world government exploitation of resources for the benefit of first world companies and negotiated away paths to the middle class for minorities in those obscure nations. Much of this is within character for the modern Republican party, even if stretched to new bounds of irrelevance; I will wait to hear the neoPhoenix Republicans proclaim great fervor and zeal based upon the inspiration of their new visions post election this cycle, but they have a long way to go to prove their neocon elitism is something other than a mutant party more infavorable to minorities than their founders ever imagined, whether within the US or in other countries.

]]> By: BargainCountertenor http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/comment-page-1/#comment-111180 BargainCountertenor Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:04:45 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/#comment-111180 <p>And my response to Senator Kerry (D-Turncoat), is this: “George Bush said (correctly), ‘Elections have consequences.’”</p> <p>This election is going to have consequences, and among them will a reversal of the class war that the wealthy have waged against the middle class for most of my adult lifetime.</p> And my response to Senator Kerry (D-Turncoat), is this: “George Bush said (correctly), ‘Elections have consequences.’”

This election is going to have consequences, and among them will a reversal of the class war that the wealthy have waged against the middle class for most of my adult lifetime.

]]> By: Twain http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/comment-page-1/#comment-111179 Twain Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:03:38 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/#comment-111179 <p>Lots of lonely nights for the Rs. I wish I thought they could feel shame.</p> Lots of lonely nights for the Rs. I wish I thought they could feel shame.

]]> By: Petrocelli http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/comment-page-1/#comment-111177 Petrocelli Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:55:08 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/#comment-111177 <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BxlM-d6aWQ" rel="nofollow">For McCain & The ReThugs</a></p> For McCain & The ReThugs

]]> By: BargainCountertenor http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/comment-page-1/#comment-111176 BargainCountertenor Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:52:14 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/getting-out-the-democratic-vote-at-the-birthplace-of-the-republican-party/#comment-111176 <p>Actually, blacks were reliably R voters through Reconstruction for precisely that reason. That changed in the Depression, and especially changed when D’s outside the South joined moderate R’s to enact the Civil Rights legislation of the 60s.</p> Actually, blacks were reliably R voters through Reconstruction for precisely that reason. That changed in the Depression, and especially changed when D’s outside the South joined moderate R’s to enact the Civil Rights legislation of the 60s.

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