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	<title>Comments on: Why Barack Obama Needs To Come To Arizona</title>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/28/why-barack-obama-needs-to-come-to-arizona/#comment-109991</link>
		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am so sorry. She was one of my favorite commenters.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so sorry. She was one of my favorite commenters.</p>
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		<title>By: leftdcin72</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftdcin72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Were you around in 72. Do you remember “The National Movement for the Student Vote”. I worked for McGovern and ran the New Jersey campaign along side the Clintons in Texas. Then I left McGovern to do voter registration through “The Student Vote”. I reacted or over reacted to the ego tripping in the McGovern campaign and left dc in 72.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were you around in 72. Do you remember “The National Movement for the Student Vote”. I worked for McGovern and ran the New Jersey campaign along side the Clintons in Texas. Then I left McGovern to do voter registration through “The Student Vote”. I reacted or over reacted to the ego tripping in the McGovern campaign and left dc in 72.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/28/why-barack-obama-needs-to-come-to-arizona/#comment-109942</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i agree, but this nastiness is so uncharacteristic.  been there done that already on one blog i once liked, and i sure don’t want to see that happen here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;by the way, why did you leave dc?  nixon?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree, but this nastiness is so uncharacteristic.  been there done that already on one blog i once liked, and i sure don’t want to see that happen here.</p>
<p>by the way, why did you leave dc?  nixon?</p>
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		<title>By: leftdcin72</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftdcin72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is a great site.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great site.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/28/why-barack-obama-needs-to-come-to-arizona/#comment-109919</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that the Republicans are doing plenty well destroying their own party, BTW. Obama doesn’t have to do very much more than offer a hand out to those like Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins (if she survives the Blue Tsunami), and Obama’s old buddy Dick Lugar. I’m wondering if one or more of these folks will go the way of Jim Jeffords…inasmuch as some of the Republicans appear to be already slating Palin as their 2012 nominee. That to me would signal the end of the party, just as the Whigs dissolved into the Know-Nothings, Free State and Republican Party in the 1850’s.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the Republicans are doing plenty well destroying their own party, BTW. Obama doesn’t have to do very much more than offer a hand out to those like Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins (if she survives the Blue Tsunami), and Obama’s old buddy Dick Lugar. I’m wondering if one or more of these folks will go the way of Jim Jeffords…inasmuch as some of the Republicans appear to be already slating Palin as their 2012 nominee. That to me would signal the end of the party, just as the Whigs dissolved into the Know-Nothings, Free State and Republican Party in the 1850’s.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why would sending in the Clintons be less humiliating? It’s still campaigning against McCain in his home state…and will perhaps “humiliate him” by making him lose it. Isn’t the humilation “losing his home state”? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Would pouring a lot of ad money into the state…perhaps his Spanish language ad…too much?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you think that Obama should intentionally lose Arizona? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I really don’t see your point that “appearing” in  Arizona will be the ultimate humiliation and prevent Obama from reaching out to McCain after the election? Do you think that McCain is so immature that he can’t separate a political defeat from his role as Senator? Doesn’t a good politician look at the mood in his State and try to adapt in order to serve ones constituency? Why would McCain want to screw over his constituents?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would sending in the Clintons be less humiliating? It’s still campaigning against McCain in his home state…and will perhaps “humiliate him” by making him lose it. Isn’t the humilation “losing his home state”? </p>
<p>Would pouring a lot of ad money into the state…perhaps his Spanish language ad…too much?</p>
<p>Do you think that Obama should intentionally lose Arizona? </p>
<p>I really don’t see your point that “appearing” in  Arizona will be the ultimate humiliation and prevent Obama from reaching out to McCain after the election? Do you think that McCain is so immature that he can’t separate a political defeat from his role as Senator? Doesn’t a good politician look at the mood in his State and try to adapt in order to serve ones constituency? Why would McCain want to screw over his constituents?</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, llphd…you see a different Obama than I do. I see a wily Muhammed Ali (his pic is on Obama’s wall BTW) who is willing to use rope-a-dope to tire his opponent for the knockout…not win on points. I remember the Obama that went up to McCain on the Senate floor and chastised him. You must recall that Obama is the guy that refused to give up his position running for State Senator after the former holder of that position wanted him to drop out so she could run again for it. He told her that once he committed to a task he finished the job. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I don’t see the Republicans in the South having any sympathy for Obama because he backs off Arizona. They will see it as a sign of weakness, a flaw in his character. They will consider it humiliating enough that he’s campaigning in Georgia and North Carolina. That he visited Selma, Mississippi. That he went to Missouri and Omaha, Nebraska. That he’s even deigning to compete in Montana. And would you consider it just as offensive if he sent either Clinton, or Biden, or Michelle Obama there to support the campaign? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d feel sad if you decided to vote for McCain-Palin if Obama decided to hold a rally in Phoenix or Tucson, but if that’s your criteria for supporting him rather than his policy positions…and that you’d give your vote to the far nastier campaigners in this race…well then so be it. I think Obama will be weighing what it means to a far greater constituency in Arizona (or Georgia, North Carolina, Florida, etc.).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, llphd…you see a different Obama than I do. I see a wily Muhammed Ali (his pic is on Obama’s wall BTW) who is willing to use rope-a-dope to tire his opponent for the knockout…not win on points. I remember the Obama that went up to McCain on the Senate floor and chastised him. You must recall that Obama is the guy that refused to give up his position running for State Senator after the former holder of that position wanted him to drop out so she could run again for it. He told her that once he committed to a task he finished the job. </p>
<p>And I don’t see the Republicans in the South having any sympathy for Obama because he backs off Arizona. They will see it as a sign of weakness, a flaw in his character. They will consider it humiliating enough that he’s campaigning in Georgia and North Carolina. That he visited Selma, Mississippi. That he went to Missouri and Omaha, Nebraska. That he’s even deigning to compete in Montana. And would you consider it just as offensive if he sent either Clinton, or Biden, or Michelle Obama there to support the campaign? </p>
<p>I’d feel sad if you decided to vote for McCain-Palin if Obama decided to hold a rally in Phoenix or Tucson, but if that’s your criteria for supporting him rather than his policy positions…and that you’d give your vote to the far nastier campaigners in this race…well then so be it. I think Obama will be weighing what it means to a far greater constituency in Arizona (or Georgia, North Carolina, Florida, etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/28/why-barack-obama-needs-to-come-to-arizona/#comment-109899</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;surrogates would be perfect.  biden.  the clintons.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>surrogates would be perfect.  biden.  the clintons.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/28/why-barack-obama-needs-to-come-to-arizona/#comment-109898</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“the repuglitards are not going to become some sort of honorable opposition just because you don’t like their tactics unless we CRUSH those repuglitards who use DISHONORABLE tactics&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I personally believe that the repuglitard party must be destroyed before conservatives are allowed to again participate in national government in any meaningful way&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;some stains cannot be washed away&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the repuglitard party is a stain we cannot wash away&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;at least we should stop havin go to listen to this shit …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it’s time for the repuglitard party to die”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;my holy sweet jeepers, dude.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;please.  i beg of you  take a long look at what you just wrote there.  does it not remind you of ANYTHING???&lt;br /&gt;
substitute anything in there for ‘republitard’, and i mean anything:  go ahead, try it.  let’s make a list.  try liberal.  or commie.  or arab.  or muslim.  or hippy or pinko.  or spic or gook or nigger or nigger-lover!  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it’s not your enemy or who you hate, dude, it’s the HATE!!  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;look at you!  look at this!  look at us!!  what is happening here????&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i fled (actually, i was banished because i dared to dissent from the sort of language that is suddenly appearing here now) from contributing to a blog a while back, and have occasionally checked in to see where it’s gone.  oh god, it’s ugly.  it’s foul.  it’s beyond nasty and mean and hateful and despicable.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you betcha, slippery slope, that.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so i ask you again, WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE???  i have felt at home at this blog because everyone is so damn smart and educated and devoted and CIVILIZED!!!  we could discuss the details because there was no distraction with the nastiness and venom and vitriol.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but now it’s rearing its very ugly head and it’s from within, and you have the unmitigated temerity to actually attack leftdc for suggesting a TEMPERED consideration??  is that quality not what seems to be gaining obama so much traction???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;EW, HELP??!!  we need a class monitor or something.  a grownup, anyways.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“the repuglitards are not going to become some sort of honorable opposition just because you don’t like their tactics unless we CRUSH those repuglitards who use DISHONORABLE tactics</p>
<p>I personally believe that the repuglitard party must be destroyed before conservatives are allowed to again participate in national government in any meaningful way</p>
<p>some stains cannot be washed away</p>
<p>the repuglitard party is a stain we cannot wash away</p>
<p>at least we should stop havin go to listen to this shit …</p>
<p>it’s time for the repuglitard party to die”</p>
<p>my holy sweet jeepers, dude.  </p>
<p>please.  i beg of you  take a long look at what you just wrote there.  does it not remind you of ANYTHING???<br />
substitute anything in there for ‘republitard’, and i mean anything:  go ahead, try it.  let’s make a list.  try liberal.  or commie.  or arab.  or muslim.  or hippy or pinko.  or spic or gook or nigger or nigger-lover!  </p>
<p>it’s not your enemy or who you hate, dude, it’s the HATE!!  </p>
<p>look at you!  look at this!  look at us!!  what is happening here????</p>
<p>i fled (actually, i was banished because i dared to dissent from the sort of language that is suddenly appearing here now) from contributing to a blog a while back, and have occasionally checked in to see where it’s gone.  oh god, it’s ugly.  it’s foul.  it’s beyond nasty and mean and hateful and despicable.  </p>
<p>you betcha, slippery slope, that.  </p>
<p>so i ask you again, WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE???  i have felt at home at this blog because everyone is so damn smart and educated and devoted and CIVILIZED!!!  we could discuss the details because there was no distraction with the nastiness and venom and vitriol.</p>
<p>but now it’s rearing its very ugly head and it’s from within, and you have the unmitigated temerity to actually attack leftdc for suggesting a TEMPERED consideration??  is that quality not what seems to be gaining obama so much traction???</p>
<p>EW, HELP??!!  we need a class monitor or something.  a grownup, anyways.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and no, you were not clear.  hence my request.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and it was not even about being clear.  you ignored my points, which you need to address in order for your position to be at all compelling, or even persuasive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;go ahead; give it a shot.  i have no doubt you are up to it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and no, you were not clear.  hence my request.  </p>
<p>and it was not even about being clear.  you ignored my points, which you need to address in order for your position to be at all compelling, or even persuasive.</p>
<p>go ahead; give it a shot.  i have no doubt you are up to it.</p>
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