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		<title>By: Dismayed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dismayed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ok, so I had a few lines to many, but I just couldn’t give up the “C” from Wasilla bit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so I had a few lines to many, but I just couldn’t give up the “C” from Wasilla bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Dismayed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dismayed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There once was a man called McSame&lt;br /&gt;
Who felt he was good at the game.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then along came Obama&lt;br /&gt;
McSame cried to his moma&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I blame the cunt from Wassilla&lt;br /&gt;
She seems a gorilla&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I believe my ass&lt;br /&gt;
she has maimed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There once was a man called McSame<br />
Who felt he was good at the game.</p>
<p>Then along came Obama<br />
McSame cried to his moma</p>
<p>I blame the cunt from Wassilla<br />
She seems a gorilla</p>
<p>And I believe my ass<br />
she has maimed.</p>
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		<title>By: MrWhy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrWhy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is the party organized, or is the campaign organized?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the party organized, or is the campaign organized?</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
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		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Stunning to think that I could be a member of an organized political party. It feels pretty good.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stunning to think that I could be a member of an organized political party. It feels pretty good.</p>
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		<title>By: brendanx</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;View Clinton as a tool of fate, but a &lt;em&gt;tool&lt;/em&gt; nonetheless.  “Hard working people, white people…Commander-in-Chief threshold…”.  Blech.  This soulless stentor gets no credit from me for this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>View Clinton as a tool of fate, but a <em>tool</em> nonetheless.  “Hard working people, white people…Commander-in-Chief threshold…”.  Blech.  This soulless stentor gets no credit from me for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Me? I think McCain and Palin deserve each other. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, me I agree with you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That it’s karma for her to get screwed the way she’s screwed, say, her former friend the Mayor of Wasilla, pregnant homeless teenagers, the American taxpayer, her sister’s kids and the state police guy is satisfying. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still, it’s worth paying some attention to the disingenuous, self-serving and frequently dishonest nature of the campaign’s attacks on her, just to throw into relief what a perfectly dreadful group the permanent Republican campaign attack apparatus are. McCain’s assembled a murderer’s row of some of the most prominent ugly campaign operatives from the last three decades, and he hopped into bed with the special interests who control his party, and I’d like them all to walk away from this tarred. Palin is the perfect symbol of how these people view government and how responsible their decisions are, and they should have to own her.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Me? I think McCain and Palin deserve each other. </em></p>
<p>Oh, me I agree with you.</p>
<p>That it’s karma for her to get screwed the way she’s screwed, say, her former friend the Mayor of Wasilla, pregnant homeless teenagers, the American taxpayer, her sister’s kids and the state police guy is satisfying. </p>
<p>Still, it’s worth paying some attention to the disingenuous, self-serving and frequently dishonest nature of the campaign’s attacks on her, just to throw into relief what a perfectly dreadful group the permanent Republican campaign attack apparatus are. McCain’s assembled a murderer’s row of some of the most prominent ugly campaign operatives from the last three decades, and he hopped into bed with the special interests who control his party, and I’d like them all to walk away from this tarred. Palin is the perfect symbol of how these people view government and how responsible their decisions are, and they should have to own her.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s been a strange week, but I keep remembering my precinct caucus in February. I had to wait about half an hour even to get in the door, and the place was pandemonium because there were so many people there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It really did signal that something really strange — the depth of emotion, and the RANGE of topics that that people spoke about was far beyond anything that I’ve ever seen.  Also, to describe my precinct caucus goers as ‘liberals’ would be inaccurate; they were not ideologues.  Just pissed off Americans.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I remember thinking, “Am I glimpsing something huge?”&lt;br /&gt;
And then again at the Dem Convention, I just marveled as I watched it.&lt;br /&gt;
And then the Republican Convention seemed like it was a high school state championship, lots of ‘rah-rah’ but no depth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think maybe the ‘mystic chords of memory’ are once again swelling with the better angels of our nature.&lt;br /&gt;
I hope so!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s been a strange week, but I keep remembering my precinct caucus in February. I had to wait about half an hour even to get in the door, and the place was pandemonium because there were so many people there.</p>
<p>It really did signal that something really strange — the depth of emotion, and the RANGE of topics that that people spoke about was far beyond anything that I’ve ever seen.  Also, to describe my precinct caucus goers as ‘liberals’ would be inaccurate; they were not ideologues.  Just pissed off Americans.</p>
<p>I remember thinking, “Am I glimpsing something huge?”<br />
And then again at the Dem Convention, I just marveled as I watched it.<br />
And then the Republican Convention seemed like it was a high school state championship, lots of ‘rah-rah’ but no depth.</p>
<p>I think maybe the ‘mystic chords of memory’ are once again swelling with the better angels of our nature.<br />
I hope so!</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I knew from Powell’s UN speech it was going to be a clusterfuck. But for the first year of the war, I kept thinking, “well, at least the execute this fuck up okay, won’t they?” I was always surprised anew by just how incompetent they were.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This may sound weird, but I’ve actually never seen Powell’s speech.&lt;br /&gt;
I happened to be in Europe when it occurred, and too busy/no time to watch it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But there were massive demonstrations in Paris, London, Berlin, and it was &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; pleasant traveling as an American, despite explaining to everyone how much many Americans detested GWBush. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;By Feb 2003, the dollar was already dropping against the euro. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I distinctly remember one US ex-pat, a retired US biz exec exclaiming, “I can’t believe what I’m seeing — &lt;em&gt;FIFTY YEARS of goodwill, shot to hell by GWBush in the space of six weeks&lt;/em&gt;!”.  People were in shock.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;France has a large Muslim population, although I’m not sure what proportion is from Iraq. The French have long term ties with the Near East and Africa (including Niger, which IIRC used to be a French colony).  France does a ton of business with Muslim countries. Yet the French were &lt;em&gt;trying&lt;/em&gt; to put the brakes on Bush, obviously to no avail.  It didn’t require the IQ of a rocket scientist to figure out that something was amiss with Bush’s claimed rationale for the Iraq War if you were reading the international press. (Indeed, as far as I’m concerned, it only strengthens the argument that Cheney got punk’d by Iran; or perhaps by Russia, acting through Iranian intermediaries…?)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then consider the Germans, who have a &lt;em&gt;huge&lt;/em&gt; pharma and chemical industry.  It’s probably a safe assumption that the Germans sold chemicals to Saddam, and the conjecture among my contacts was that the Germans probably knew what chemicals Saddam had.  So their reasoning went like this: ‘If the Germans aren’t worried, and they know what Saddam has, then why should the rest of us get too hot and  bothered?’  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Among my contacts, the fact that Paul O’Neill left Treasury in Dec 02 was ominous, and signaled that something was very, very wrong in GWBush’s administration.  Because although the Bushies ridiculed O’Neill for going to Africa with Bono, the people that I spoke with thought that kind of thing was a smart thing to do. (O’Neill had ‘resigned’ in Dec 2002, just before the final run-up to the Iraq War.)  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Their contempt for GWBush is hard to describe, but these people have learned multiple languages, learned about other cultures in order to make good business relationships — so their assessment of GWBush was grim.  Basically, they’d have made a point of learning more about Iraq culture before they considered marketing even a tube of lipstick to Iraq, yet GWBush was going to send thousands of people to invade a nation about which no one in the BushCheney administration seemed to have the most basic knowledge.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And consider that cities, administration, and writing all trace their origins to the Tigris-Euphrates; it’s not like the place didn’t have any history worth learning about.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So even though the war has been even a bigger disaster than I could have imagined, I’m not surprised that GWBush and Cheney fucked it up.  If you don’t give a rat’s ass about people or their culture or their living conditions, what else would you expect?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We can’t be rid of the dead, suffocating weight of these depraved incompetents soon enough.&lt;br /&gt;
I predict record numbers of overseas Yankees voting Obama this year.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I knew from Powell’s UN speech it was going to be a clusterfuck. But for the first year of the war, I kept thinking, “well, at least the execute this fuck up okay, won’t they?” I was always surprised anew by just how incompetent they were.</p>
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<p>This may sound weird, but I’ve actually never seen Powell’s speech.<br />
I happened to be in Europe when it occurred, and too busy/no time to watch it.</p>
<p>But there were massive demonstrations in Paris, London, Berlin, and it was <em><strong>not</strong></em> pleasant traveling as an American, despite explaining to everyone how much many Americans detested GWBush. </p>
<p><em>By Feb 2003, the dollar was already dropping against the euro. </em><br />
I distinctly remember one US ex-pat, a retired US biz exec exclaiming, “I can’t believe what I’m seeing — <em>FIFTY YEARS of goodwill, shot to hell by GWBush in the space of six weeks</em>!”.  People were in shock.</p>
<p>France has a large Muslim population, although I’m not sure what proportion is from Iraq. The French have long term ties with the Near East and Africa (including Niger, which IIRC used to be a French colony).  France does a ton of business with Muslim countries. Yet the French were <em>trying</em> to put the brakes on Bush, obviously to no avail.  It didn’t require the IQ of a rocket scientist to figure out that something was amiss with Bush’s claimed rationale for the Iraq War if you were reading the international press. (Indeed, as far as I’m concerned, it only strengthens the argument that Cheney got punk’d by Iran; or perhaps by Russia, acting through Iranian intermediaries…?)</p>
<p>Then consider the Germans, who have a <em>huge</em> pharma and chemical industry.  It’s probably a safe assumption that the Germans sold chemicals to Saddam, and the conjecture among my contacts was that the Germans probably knew what chemicals Saddam had.  So their reasoning went like this: ‘If the Germans aren’t worried, and they know what Saddam has, then why should the rest of us get too hot and  bothered?’  </p>
<p>Among my contacts, the fact that Paul O’Neill left Treasury in Dec 02 was ominous, and signaled that something was very, very wrong in GWBush’s administration.  Because although the Bushies ridiculed O’Neill for going to Africa with Bono, the people that I spoke with thought that kind of thing was a smart thing to do. (O’Neill had ‘resigned’ in Dec 2002, just before the final run-up to the Iraq War.)  </p>
<p>Their contempt for GWBush is hard to describe, but these people have learned multiple languages, learned about other cultures in order to make good business relationships — so their assessment of GWBush was grim.  Basically, they’d have made a point of learning more about Iraq culture before they considered marketing even a tube of lipstick to Iraq, yet GWBush was going to send thousands of people to invade a nation about which no one in the BushCheney administration seemed to have the most basic knowledge.</p>
<p>And consider that cities, administration, and writing all trace their origins to the Tigris-Euphrates; it’s not like the place didn’t have any history worth learning about.  </p>
<p>So even though the war has been even a bigger disaster than I could have imagined, I’m not surprised that GWBush and Cheney fucked it up.  If you don’t give a rat’s ass about people or their culture or their living conditions, what else would you expect?</p>
<p>We can’t be rid of the dead, suffocating weight of these depraved incompetents soon enough.<br />
I predict record numbers of overseas Yankees voting Obama this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Minnesotachuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minnesotachuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The true surprise (and I’ve said this too often, I know) is discovering that under Obama (and Dean before him) I’ve become a member of an organized political party.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A statement like this will make &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Rogers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Will Rogers&lt;/a&gt; roll over in his grave!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The true surprise (and I’ve said this too often, I know) is discovering that under Obama (and Dean before him) I’ve become a member of an organized political party.</p>
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<p>A statement like this will make <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Rogers" rel="nofollow">Will Rogers</a> roll over in his grave!</p>
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		<title>By: Ishmael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ishmael</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Absolutely, if Obama gets a big enough margin in the Senate, he may be able to get someone really dynamic on the Supreme Court that the Republicans would otherwise have filibustered to death - the same would apply to lower court judges where the Senators have traditionally had a veto - it would be better to have Jim Martin than Saxby Chambliss on judicial appointments in Alabama for example.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, if Obama gets a big enough margin in the Senate, he may be able to get someone really dynamic on the Supreme Court that the Republicans would otherwise have filibustered to death &#8211; the same would apply to lower court judges where the Senators have traditionally had a veto &#8211; it would be better to have Jim Martin than Saxby Chambliss on judicial appointments in Alabama for example.</p>
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