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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/25/when-mavericks-clash/comment-page-1/#comment-109136</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s the dinner hour.&lt;br /&gt;
A glass of wine&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Take care.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s the dinner hour.<br />
A glass of wine<br />
and no more typing.</p>
<p>Take care.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/25/when-mavericks-clash/comment-page-1/#comment-109134</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks again for these!  i’ll have to check them out later, as am in the midst of a deadline crunch right now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;just one quick thing, though; it would not occur to these folks with such short and selective attention spans, but the sort of sabotage they’re suggesting is even worse than what they decried as TREASON against a sitting president when we screamed for accountability.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the big diff of course is that bush is a criminal.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks again for these!  i’ll have to check them out later, as am in the midst of a deadline crunch right now.</p>
<p>just one quick thing, though; it would not occur to these folks with such short and selective attention spans, but the sort of sabotage they’re suggesting is even worse than what they decried as TREASON against a sitting president when we screamed for accountability.</p>
<p>the big diff of course is that bush is a criminal.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/25/when-mavericks-clash/comment-page-1/#comment-109130</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here’s the other link about the call to undermine Obama, make it impossible to govern effectively, work to impeach.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guarantee it worth the 14:49 you can’t get back.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wtkk.everyzing.com/viewMedia.jsp?dedupe=1&amp;res=350897272&amp;index=13&amp;col=en-aud-pod_wtkk-ep&amp;e=21117081&amp;il=en&amp;num=10&amp;s=PZSID_0000701953;Jay+Severin,+WTKK,+Boston,+MA&amp;start=10&amp;expand=true&amp;match=query,channel&amp;filter=0&amp;y=0&amp;x=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wtkk.everyzing.com/view.....0&amp;x=0&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s the other link about the call to undermine Obama, make it impossible to govern effectively, work to impeach.</p>
<p>I guarantee it worth the 14:49 you can’t get back.</p>
<p><a href="http://wtkk.everyzing.com/viewMedia.jsp?dedupe=1&amp;res=350897272&amp;index=13&amp;col=en-aud-pod_wtkk-ep&amp;e=21117081&amp;il=en&amp;num=10&amp;s=PZSID_0000701953;Jay+Severin,+WTKK,+Boston,+MA&amp;start=10&amp;expand=true&amp;match=query,channel&amp;filter=0&amp;y=0&amp;x=0" rel="nofollow">http://wtkk.everyzing.com/view&#8230;..0&amp;x=0</a></p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/25/when-mavericks-clash/comment-page-1/#comment-109128</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oh jeepers, this is getting scary.  i’d planned to go up to NH to work the 3rd and 4th for obama, but then thought hey he’s got it in the bag, i can actually just make calls.  but these messages make me rethink; i’ll be standing on street corners.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if you’re still interested in some sort of occasional local get together, let me know.  i rarely get myself into boston these days, but would be willing to make the trip for strategizing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thanks for the link; now i really am scared.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh jeepers, this is getting scary.  i’d planned to go up to NH to work the 3rd and 4th for obama, but then thought hey he’s got it in the bag, i can actually just make calls.  but these messages make me rethink; i’ll be standing on street corners.</p>
<p>if you’re still interested in some sort of occasional local get together, let me know.  i rarely get myself into boston these days, but would be willing to make the trip for strategizing.</p>
<p>thanks for the link; now i really am scared.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/25/when-mavericks-clash/comment-page-1/#comment-109117</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hans von Spakovsky explains Obama’s attack on free speech:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wtkk.everyzing.com/viewMedia.jsp?dedupe=1&amp;res=350884200&amp;index=7&amp;col=en-aud-pod_wtkk-ep&amp;e=21249488&amp;il=en&amp;num=10&amp;s=PZSID_0000806771;Michael+Graham%2C+WTKK%2C+Boston%2C+MA&amp;start=0&amp;expand=true&amp;match=query,channel&amp;filter=0&amp;y=0&amp;x=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wtkk.everyzing.com/view.....0&amp;x=0&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hans von Spakovsky explains Obama’s attack on free speech:</p>
<p><a href="http://wtkk.everyzing.com/viewMedia.jsp?dedupe=1&amp;res=350884200&amp;index=7&amp;col=en-aud-pod_wtkk-ep&amp;e=21249488&amp;il=en&amp;num=10&amp;s=PZSID_0000806771;Michael+Graham%2C+WTKK%2C+Boston%2C+MA&amp;start=0&amp;expand=true&amp;match=query,channel&amp;filter=0&amp;y=0&amp;x=0" rel="nofollow">http://wtkk.everyzing.com/view&#8230;..0&amp;x=0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/25/when-mavericks-clash/comment-page-1/#comment-109109</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Listen, the strange thing is that WTKK is getting advice concerning their constant accusations that ACORN and the Democratic party are stealing the election from… I’m not kidding:&lt;br /&gt;
Hans von Spakovsky.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I couldn’t believe my ears.&lt;br /&gt;
If you want it, I’ll go find it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen, the strange thing is that WTKK is getting advice concerning their constant accusations that ACORN and the Democratic party are stealing the election from… I’m not kidding:<br />
Hans von Spakovsky.</p>
<p>I couldn’t believe my ears.<br />
If you want it, I’ll go find it.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/25/when-mavericks-clash/comment-page-1/#comment-109106</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;lllphd,&lt;br /&gt;
Everywhere I go, I write about this.  This is key.&lt;br /&gt;
I was at bloggingheads and listened to a conservative talk about the important “triangle” to keep the Republicans in power.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Talk radio and Fox are one of those points vital to 2012.  They can’t get their talking points out without it.  They can’t get to spin 24/7; and I couldn’t agree more that their heads are literally spinning off their bodies as they rage about the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And while I said I was a little nervous to meet up with you and others from these parts, I will overcome it if it meant we could actually do something about the hatred spewed day in, day out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You probably know that WTKK  is trying to prove its worth by inciting nonstop fear and hatred in order to take New Hampshire in ten days.  Civilization as we know will come to an end; it is an end to America.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But what most concerns me is the call to work night and day to undermine Obama.  No honeymoon.  They call the “true patriots” to work to make it impossible for Obama to govern effectively, to work for his impeachment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Getting the FCC back into responsible hands, with a dedication to news being actual news is certainly as important as all of our other freedoms that have been stolen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You’re so right to invoke Ben Franklin.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lllphd,<br />
Everywhere I go, I write about this.  This is key.<br />
I was at bloggingheads and listened to a conservative talk about the important “triangle” to keep the Republicans in power.</p>
<p>Talk radio and Fox are one of those points vital to 2012.  They can’t get their talking points out without it.  They can’t get to spin 24/7; and I couldn’t agree more that their heads are literally spinning off their bodies as they rage about the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine.</p>
<p>And while I said I was a little nervous to meet up with you and others from these parts, I will overcome it if it meant we could actually do something about the hatred spewed day in, day out.</p>
<p>You probably know that WTKK  is trying to prove its worth by inciting nonstop fear and hatred in order to take New Hampshire in ten days.  Civilization as we know will come to an end; it is an end to America.</p>
<p>But what most concerns me is the call to work night and day to undermine Obama.  No honeymoon.  They call the “true patriots” to work to make it impossible for Obama to govern effectively, to work for his impeachment.</p>
<p>Getting the FCC back into responsible hands, with a dedication to news being actual news is certainly as important as all of our other freedoms that have been stolen.</p>
<p>You’re so right to invoke Ben Franklin.</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/25/when-mavericks-clash/comment-page-1/#comment-109104</link>
		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;nobody noticed this?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;check out my bold;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Palin’s loyalists say &lt;strong&gt;she’s grown particularly disenchanted with the veterans of the Bush reelection campaign&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;errr&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;haven’t we been saying mccain is running as a third term for bush?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;according to that case it seems he really is doesn’t it&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nobody noticed this?</p>
<p>check out my bold;</p>
<blockquote><p>Palin’s loyalists say <strong>she’s grown particularly disenchanted with the veterans of the Bush reelection campaign</strong></p>
</blockquote>
<p>errr</p>
<p>haven’t we been saying mccain is running as a third term for bush?</p>
<p>according to that case it seems he really is doesn’t it</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/25/when-mavericks-clash/comment-page-1/#comment-109103</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oh wow!  i just saw that the first part of my comment got truncated somehow.  hm.  reconstruction….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i was responding to the frum article, and noted that to my mind, the most important point for our eyes was his concern (on the second page, embedded in his fears about a fully dem congress) about reinstatement of the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this was a really astute decision on the part of early broadcasting rulings by the FCC that kept public discourse civilized.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i think the sentence prior to the abrupt, middle of thought entry there was (and i’ll repost the rest here so it makes something like sense)….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the fairness doctrine was allowed to die a slow but deliberate death (with the help of frank luntz and his reframing language to make it censorship, which it is not) during the reagan and bush1 years.  those moves, despite supreme court denial of unconstitutionality, ….&lt;br /&gt;
were in many many ways the beginning of the end for civilized discourse in this country. the right loves to call it censorship, but it is far from it. installed in the early years of broadcasting, it merely requires controversial debate and balanced presentation. the last piece to gasp its dying breath was the one that required any show or network where an accusation or assertion about an individual or organization to give equal time to the victim of such in order to defend him- or herself. or themselves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so it was that our airwaves were suddenly unrestrained by civility at the beginning of the 90s and then throughout the decade. and what do we have to show for it? take note: all the hate talk shows were unleashed. fox news has been allowed to maintain a propaganda network and pass it off as legit news. their ridiculous motto of ‘fair and balanced’ was no doubt its nod to the notion of fairness in name only.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this is not at all trivial, folks. i kid you not, in all the pieces i’ve been reading from conservatives nervous about a democratic takeover of the WH and the hill, the fairness doctrine inevitably comes up. it is at the forefront of their agenda to maintain this godforsaken manipulative propaganda mill they like to call the media within their grasp and out of the hands of the people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;please, make this a priority. because it is very very clear the old guard republicans have made it theirs. in fact, i’m more concerned that we recover the FCC and the fairness doctrine than i am the USAPATRIOT act, for one reason. if we recover the press, then we have a chance of educating the public on the evils of the usafascism act.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ben franklin was right; without a free press, a democracy is impossible.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh wow!  i just saw that the first part of my comment got truncated somehow.  hm.  reconstruction….</p>
<p>i was responding to the frum article, and noted that to my mind, the most important point for our eyes was his concern (on the second page, embedded in his fears about a fully dem congress) about reinstatement of the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE!</p>
<p>this was a really astute decision on the part of early broadcasting rulings by the FCC that kept public discourse civilized.  </p>
<p>i think the sentence prior to the abrupt, middle of thought entry there was (and i’ll repost the rest here so it makes something like sense)….</p>
<p>the fairness doctrine was allowed to die a slow but deliberate death (with the help of frank luntz and his reframing language to make it censorship, which it is not) during the reagan and bush1 years.  those moves, despite supreme court denial of unconstitutionality, ….<br />
were in many many ways the beginning of the end for civilized discourse in this country. the right loves to call it censorship, but it is far from it. installed in the early years of broadcasting, it merely requires controversial debate and balanced presentation. the last piece to gasp its dying breath was the one that required any show or network where an accusation or assertion about an individual or organization to give equal time to the victim of such in order to defend him- or herself. or themselves.</p>
<p>so it was that our airwaves were suddenly unrestrained by civility at the beginning of the 90s and then throughout the decade. and what do we have to show for it? take note: all the hate talk shows were unleashed. fox news has been allowed to maintain a propaganda network and pass it off as legit news. their ridiculous motto of ‘fair and balanced’ was no doubt its nod to the notion of fairness in name only.</p>
<p>this is not at all trivial, folks. i kid you not, in all the pieces i’ve been reading from conservatives nervous about a democratic takeover of the WH and the hill, the fairness doctrine inevitably comes up. it is at the forefront of their agenda to maintain this godforsaken manipulative propaganda mill they like to call the media within their grasp and out of the hands of the people.</p>
<p>please, make this a priority. because it is very very clear the old guard republicans have made it theirs. in fact, i’m more concerned that we recover the FCC and the fairness doctrine than i am the USAPATRIOT act, for one reason. if we recover the press, then we have a chance of educating the public on the evils of the usafascism act.</p>
<p>ben franklin was right; without a free press, a democracy is impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/25/when-mavericks-clash/comment-page-1/#comment-109102</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;you beat me to the posting of this alarming alert; thanks.  evidently i was too busy writing my angry rant about the OTHER most important piece of our democracy; along with our votes, the free press (see above, 26).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;here is the original article from jason leopold on bush’s ballsy move:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/426-bush-orders-to-doj-to-probe-ohio-voter-registrations.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.pubrecord.org/natio.....tions.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ok, lots of reasons for concern here.  first, where does bush get off intruding into investigations on a state level?  (oh yeah, forgot; he never read the constitution.)  second, where does bush get off asking mukasey to act on something the SCOTUS has already decided!  (oh yeah, forgot; he don’t pay no ‘tention to laws or court decisions, except where they give him what they want, like the presidency.)  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;third, and this part really concerns me, what does this suggest?  i mean, given how corrupt ohio has always been, despite sos brunner’s heroic efforts to bring all that under control for this election, those machines are still out there for the hacking.  and given the way the polls look in reality.  i mean, why would bush think that saving ohio, or bringing its numbers back into the range of close, stealable levels may require that they do as much of the suppression tweeking to their scheme as possible in order to win this.  because, why bother that risk if so many other states are already gone?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;which sorta brings me back to ew’s post, and freepatriot’s theory in particular.  instead of ruining the party (mccain has wanted this too badly for too long to just soil himself and the pachyderm he rode in on), i believe some sort of deal was cut between bush and mccain.  bygones be bygones, let’s win this, yeah, ok, i’m out there on the front line, but you gotta play a low profile, well you know, you ain’t the best currency and all that, and sure, i’ll hire rove’s hacks and keep my lobby buddies close at hand, and sure, that’d be great, just see to it that i win.  then i’ll do whatever.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;at least that’s the scenario i envision happened, or something quite like it.  my take is that bush and cheney are deeply invested in keeping the dems out of the WH so they can keep their secrets secret.  i even suspect they cut a deal four years ago or more in order to keep mccain close to the vest and promised him support in 08 if he toed the line for them till then.  they may not have bargained for so much antipathy from the voting public back then, so the terms had to be adjusted a bit, but you get the idea.  bush and cheney and rove can make their promises and mccain just needs to nod and not ask any questions about how exactly they’ll pull this off.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so here we are, and we may be seeing the first indications of bush’s fears and their willingness to keep this all in the family, as it were, in the WH move to put lapdog mukasey on the task.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i do not have a good feeling about this at all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you beat me to the posting of this alarming alert; thanks.  evidently i was too busy writing my angry rant about the OTHER most important piece of our democracy; along with our votes, the free press (see above, 26).</p>
<p>here is the original article from jason leopold on bush’s ballsy move:<br /><a href="http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/426-bush-orders-to-doj-to-probe-ohio-voter-registrations.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pubrecord.org/natio&#8230;..tions.html</a></p>
<p>ok, lots of reasons for concern here.  first, where does bush get off intruding into investigations on a state level?  (oh yeah, forgot; he never read the constitution.)  second, where does bush get off asking mukasey to act on something the SCOTUS has already decided!  (oh yeah, forgot; he don’t pay no ‘tention to laws or court decisions, except where they give him what they want, like the presidency.)  </p>
<p>third, and this part really concerns me, what does this suggest?  i mean, given how corrupt ohio has always been, despite sos brunner’s heroic efforts to bring all that under control for this election, those machines are still out there for the hacking.  and given the way the polls look in reality.  i mean, why would bush think that saving ohio, or bringing its numbers back into the range of close, stealable levels may require that they do as much of the suppression tweeking to their scheme as possible in order to win this.  because, why bother that risk if so many other states are already gone?  </p>
<p>which sorta brings me back to ew’s post, and freepatriot’s theory in particular.  instead of ruining the party (mccain has wanted this too badly for too long to just soil himself and the pachyderm he rode in on), i believe some sort of deal was cut between bush and mccain.  bygones be bygones, let’s win this, yeah, ok, i’m out there on the front line, but you gotta play a low profile, well you know, you ain’t the best currency and all that, and sure, i’ll hire rove’s hacks and keep my lobby buddies close at hand, and sure, that’d be great, just see to it that i win.  then i’ll do whatever.  </p>
<p>at least that’s the scenario i envision happened, or something quite like it.  my take is that bush and cheney are deeply invested in keeping the dems out of the WH so they can keep their secrets secret.  i even suspect they cut a deal four years ago or more in order to keep mccain close to the vest and promised him support in 08 if he toed the line for them till then.  they may not have bargained for so much antipathy from the voting public back then, so the terms had to be adjusted a bit, but you get the idea.  bush and cheney and rove can make their promises and mccain just needs to nod and not ask any questions about how exactly they’ll pull this off.  </p>
<p>so here we are, and we may be seeing the first indications of bush’s fears and their willingness to keep this all in the family, as it were, in the WH move to put lapdog mukasey on the task.  </p>
<p>i do not have a good feeling about this at all.</p>
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