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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/todd-wormtongue/comment-page-1/#comment-107096</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The effort to show Todd as a ”stalker” of Wooten as if Todd was a vicious sexual predator stalking a young child is a pretty striking overreach of phrase.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only person here that has made that analogy, or even come within a light year of it, is you.  And, yes, domestic relations cases do often spill out long after hearings, that is exactly why court, such as the DR court in the Wooten case did, order the parties to keep their distance.   There were specific orders by the DR judge with regard to Palin’s family engaging in conduct vis s vis Wooten.  So, stalking is indeed the correct reference.  And while wooten may technically have had the legal jurisdiction to arrest Todd Palin, it would have been highly inappropriate.  But Wooten did not engage in the highly inappropriate behavior Todd and Sarah Palin did.  Furthermore, there is a world of difference between private citizens doing this type of thing in relation to divorce cases, and here where the power and influence of the Governor’s Office of a state is brought to bear.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;You should be realistic. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The effort to show Todd as a ”stalker” of Wooten as if Todd was a vicious sexual predator stalking a young child is a pretty striking overreach of phrase.</p>
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<p>The only person here that has made that analogy, or even come within a light year of it, is you.  And, yes, domestic relations cases do often spill out long after hearings, that is exactly why court, such as the DR court in the Wooten case did, order the parties to keep their distance.   There were specific orders by the DR judge with regard to Palin’s family engaging in conduct vis s vis Wooten.  So, stalking is indeed the correct reference.  And while wooten may technically have had the legal jurisdiction to arrest Todd Palin, it would have been highly inappropriate.  But Wooten did not engage in the highly inappropriate behavior Todd and Sarah Palin did.  Furthermore, there is a world of difference between private citizens doing this type of thing in relation to divorce cases, and here where the power and influence of the Governor’s Office of a state is brought to bear.</p>
<p><em>You should be realistic. </em></p>
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		<title>By: jerikoll</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerikoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I find a lot of this about Todd Palin in the media and including here terribly disjointed and stretched.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The effort to show Todd as a ”stalker” of Wooten as if Todd was a vicious sexual predator stalking a young child is a pretty striking overreach of phrase.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here are two rugged outdoors type guys, and Wooten is a State trooper with an obvious skill with firearms as shown by his killing of a cow moose out without the proper license.  And this ”cow killer” was being stalked himself?  Come on now.  Get real!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would characterize the whole thing as a zealous over protective husband and brother in law (Todd) trying to get the low down on his previous brother in law (Wooten) during and after a nasty divorce. And believe me these things go on well after the final judgment on the case.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And there is nothing against the law about watching someone as long as you don’t threaten harm or physically harm them.  The papers are full of pictures of these type of incidents.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now was this obsession of Todd’s over Wooten blown out of proportion by Todd? Yes, very probably.  Of course Todd covers that one way and at the same times covers Sara,( as of course he would do,) by stating that she had told him to ”cool it.”  (my words)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Again as far as legality is concerned, Mr Wooten, a law officer himself, surely had recourse to seeking injunctive relief against Todd if it were called for.  Hell he could have arrested him!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let me repeat this.  Wooten could have arrested Todd, himself if Todd broke the law!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Be realistic.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find a lot of this about Todd Palin in the media and including here terribly disjointed and stretched.</p>
<p>The effort to show Todd as a ”stalker” of Wooten as if Todd was a vicious sexual predator stalking a young child is a pretty striking overreach of phrase.</p>
<p>Here are two rugged outdoors type guys, and Wooten is a State trooper with an obvious skill with firearms as shown by his killing of a cow moose out without the proper license.  And this ”cow killer” was being stalked himself?  Come on now.  Get real!</p>
<p>I would characterize the whole thing as a zealous over protective husband and brother in law (Todd) trying to get the low down on his previous brother in law (Wooten) during and after a nasty divorce. And believe me these things go on well after the final judgment on the case.</p>
<p>And there is nothing against the law about watching someone as long as you don’t threaten harm or physically harm them.  The papers are full of pictures of these type of incidents.</p>
<p>Now was this obsession of Todd’s over Wooten blown out of proportion by Todd? Yes, very probably.  Of course Todd covers that one way and at the same times covers Sara,( as of course he would do,) by stating that she had told him to ”cool it.”  (my words)</p>
<p>Again as far as legality is concerned, Mr Wooten, a law officer himself, surely had recourse to seeking injunctive relief against Todd if it were called for.  Hell he could have arrested him!!</p>
<p>Let me repeat this.  Wooten could have arrested Todd, himself if Todd broke the law!!</p>
<p>Be realistic.</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the actual firing was not illegal&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the campaign of harassment that occured before the firing is the crime&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it isn’t that she fired Monegan, it’s that she, and her staff, and her husband HARRASSED Monegan before he was fired&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the actual firing was not illegal</p>
<p>the campaign of harassment that occured before the firing is the crime</p>
<p>it isn’t that she fired Monegan, it’s that she, and her staff, and her husband HARRASSED Monegan before he was fired</p>
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		<title>By: pajarito</title>
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		<dc:creator>pajarito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ooops, must spell check.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Todd would be the secesionist, Sarah the “successionist”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooops, must spell check.</p>
<p>Todd would be the secesionist, Sarah the “successionist”</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry to differ on your smaller point, but Branchflower did not in fact conclude that bosslady broke no laws (contrary to some early MSM reportage and to well, basically all wingnuttian coverage).  He concluded the opposite and even helpfully cited the law for us.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to differ on your smaller point, but Branchflower did not in fact conclude that bosslady broke no laws (contrary to some early MSM reportage and to well, basically all wingnuttian coverage).  He concluded the opposite and even helpfully cited the law for us.</p>
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		<title>By: spoonful</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/todd-wormtongue/comment-page-1/#comment-106998</link>
		<dc:creator>spoonful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know it’s a bit off topic or late, but does anyone have an opinion as to why a breach of ethics in firing Monegan is not unlawful?  The governor may have had the vested authority to take such action, but like Libby’s pardon by Bush and the termination of the U.S. attorneys by Goonzales, such authority comes with an implied condition of good faith, and I would argue that an intentional violation of this condition is indeed unlawful.  Branchflower’s legal conclusion that bosslady broke no laws by her unethical actions would not likely hold up to a well-written legal brief.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it’s a bit off topic or late, but does anyone have an opinion as to why a breach of ethics in firing Monegan is not unlawful?  The governor may have had the vested authority to take such action, but like Libby’s pardon by Bush and the termination of the U.S. attorneys by Goonzales, such authority comes with an implied condition of good faith, and I would argue that an intentional violation of this condition is indeed unlawful.  Branchflower’s legal conclusion that bosslady broke no laws by her unethical actions would not likely hold up to a well-written legal brief.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Personality disordered enough, maybe — but not remotely lawyerly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personality disordered enough, maybe — but not remotely lawyerly.</p>
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		<title>By: kspena</title>
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		<dc:creator>kspena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Todd = Addington???&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd = Addington???</p>
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		<title>By: eyesonthestreet</title>
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		<dc:creator>eyesonthestreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EW, did not read all responses, but there is a Anchorage Daily News article that states that the Palins hired a private investigator for the Wooten matter.  It could be that the PI took those photos. If i find the article, will link it here.  It is from awhile back&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EW, did not read all responses, but there is a Anchorage Daily News article that states that the Palins hired a private investigator for the Wooten matter.  It could be that the PI took those photos. If i find the article, will link it here.  It is from awhile back</p>
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		<title>By: Jkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the palins are snakes .. the official powers of government are NOT to be used to settle or pursue personal vendettas … &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;she’s “bush in a skirt” .. just another republican scofflaw .. the LAW is for the little people .. eh .. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;gawdammit .. we need to be prosecuting these over-the-top self-appointed petty tyrants ..not simply scorning their activities .. we are supposed to be a nation of laws .. eh ??  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and OT .. re: bush signing statement of DoD budget .. saying he won’t follow certain sections .. impeach teh bastard already … cheney too ..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the palins are snakes .. the official powers of government are NOT to be used to settle or pursue personal vendettas … </p>
<p>she’s “bush in a skirt” .. just another republican scofflaw .. the LAW is for the little people .. eh .. </p>
<p>gawdammit .. we need to be prosecuting these over-the-top self-appointed petty tyrants ..not simply scorning their activities .. we are supposed to be a nation of laws .. eh ??  </p>
<p>and OT .. re: bush signing statement of DoD budget .. saying he won’t follow certain sections .. impeach teh bastard already … cheney too ..</p>
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