Comments on: The Illegal Wiretappers in John McCain’s Backyard http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:59:20 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: randiego http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/comment-page-1/#comment-107103 randiego Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:17:57 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/#comment-107103 <p>We dispatched two of these trucks during the (San Diego) fires last year. (When the power goes out, you lose any tower on the grid after the battery backup fails - 8-12 hours - unless you have an onsite generator with a supply of fuel). They were on duty in LA for different fires when they were brought down. </p> <p>They set them up outside the LACs (Local Assistance Centers) where it happens is exactly where the media setup. They get a LOT of positive press - local news mostly.</p> <p>The BS that Cindy just went through the customer service website is transparent. Why lie if there’s nothing untoward? Answer: because that’s what they do.</p> <p>If it’s the case that the Secret Service wanted it (the article suggests that at the end), I’m fine with that, but they (SS) should be paying for it out of their protection budget.</p> We dispatched two of these trucks during the (San Diego) fires last year. (When the power goes out, you lose any tower on the grid after the battery backup fails – 8-12 hours – unless you have an onsite generator with a supply of fuel). They were on duty in LA for different fires when they were brought down.

They set them up outside the LACs (Local Assistance Centers) where it happens is exactly where the media setup. They get a LOT of positive press – local news mostly.

The BS that Cindy just went through the customer service website is transparent. Why lie if there’s nothing untoward? Answer: because that’s what they do.

If it’s the case that the Secret Service wanted it (the article suggests that at the end), I’m fine with that, but they (SS) should be paying for it out of their protection budget.

]]> By: emptywheel http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/comment-page-1/#comment-107099 emptywheel Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:06:11 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/#comment-107099 <p>My parents met at IBM. Bros went to IBM nursery school, I learned to swim at IBM country club, and IBM paid for a chunk of my college tuition.</p> My parents met at IBM. Bros went to IBM nursery school, I learned to swim at IBM country club, and IBM paid for a chunk of my college tuition.

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/comment-page-1/#comment-107095 Leen Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:18:05 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/#comment-107095 <p>OT</p> <p>Attackerman has an important clip up about what we deal with in southern Ohio well in many pockets in Ohio. This is the tip of the iceberg. Let’s hope the youth vote trumps the bigots vote. LTBB (leave the bigots behind)</p> <p><a href="http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/10/16/the-face-of-hate-has-shown-itself/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://attackerman.firedoglake...../#comments</a></p> OT

Attackerman has an important clip up about what we deal with in southern Ohio well in many pockets in Ohio. This is the tip of the iceberg. Let’s hope the youth vote trumps the bigots vote. LTBB (leave the bigots behind)

http://attackerman.firedoglake…../#comments

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/comment-page-1/#comment-107094 Leen Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:15:05 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/#comment-107094 <p>“free of charge” boy oh boy those rich folks have their backs scratched.</p> <p>The MSM keeps repeating how one of McCains best lines last night was ” I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush you should have run four years ago” I so wish Obama would have jumped McCains bones on this one.</p> <p>McCain keeps saying “look at my record” HELLO WE ARE. McSame</p> “free of charge” boy oh boy those rich folks have their backs scratched.

The MSM keeps repeating how one of McCains best lines last night was ” I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush you should have run four years ago” I so wish Obama would have jumped McCains bones on this one.

McCain keeps saying “look at my record” HELLO WE ARE. McSame

]]> By: skdadl http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/comment-page-1/#comment-107093 skdadl Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:10:15 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/#comment-107093 <p>There seems to be some speculation around about who Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher really is. I’m not sure we’re supposed to pass that sort of thing on here.</p> There seems to be some speculation around about who Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher really is. I’m not sure we’re supposed to pass that sort of thing on here.

]]> By: perris http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/comment-page-1/#comment-107091 perris Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:50:27 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/#comment-107091 <p>I am wondering why neither cindy nor mccain have sat phones</p> I am wondering why neither cindy nor mccain have sat phones

]]> By: WilliamOckham http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/comment-page-1/#comment-107089 WilliamOckham Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:59:59 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/#comment-107089 <p>OT: The entire debate, nay the entire campaign, summed up in one (not photoshopped image):</p> <p><a href="http://images.derstandard.at/2008/10/16/1220631450981.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://images.derstandard.at/2.....450981.jpg</a></p> OT: The entire debate, nay the entire campaign, summed up in one (not photoshopped image):

http://images.derstandard.at/2…..450981.jpg

]]> By: yonodeler http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/comment-page-1/#comment-107083 yonodeler Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:15:32 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/#comment-107083 <p>Yeah, AT&T, way to say the installation is because of John McCain’s candidacy, like you’re going to yank their mobile connectivity by rolling out the tower when McCain loses the election.</p> <p>Even as a presidential candidate (and a Senator), McCain’s communications security situation is much different from that of nearly all other mobile phone users, isn’t it? It appears that Cindy McCain stands to benefit the most from the special installation.</p> Yeah, AT&T, way to say the installation is because of John McCain’s candidacy, like you’re going to yank their mobile connectivity by rolling out the tower when McCain loses the election.

Even as a presidential candidate (and a Senator), McCain’s communications security situation is much different from that of nearly all other mobile phone users, isn’t it? It appears that Cindy McCain stands to benefit the most from the special installation.

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/comment-page-1/#comment-107082 bmaz Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:51:11 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/#comment-107082 <p>I am not sure this is really any outer limit of abuse of power and privilege; sure is galling though. I wonder how much one of these cells on wheels costs and what cost per day the carriers allot to them in normal use. Also, how much traffic was realized on each of the two during the deployment. Has there been enough traffic at whatever rate is being billed at to even come close to the opportunity cost of placing them there? I cannot imagine there is that much traffic, but you kind of need to know both parameters, cost and income realized.</p> I am not sure this is really any outer limit of abuse of power and privilege; sure is galling though. I wonder how much one of these cells on wheels costs and what cost per day the carriers allot to them in normal use. Also, how much traffic was realized on each of the two during the deployment. Has there been enough traffic at whatever rate is being billed at to even come close to the opportunity cost of placing them there? I cannot imagine there is that much traffic, but you kind of need to know both parameters, cost and income realized.

]]> By: JohnLopresti http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/comment-page-1/#comment-107080 JohnLopresti Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:44:05 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/the-illegal-wiretappers-in-john-mccains-backyard/#comment-107080 <p>When I last visited the telco literature, the baby bells and worldcoms were spinning off ‘outside plant’, so the actual tower ownership, installation, and upkeep, were property of ‘unaffiliated’ companies outside of the incumbent baby bells. The ownership may be more closely held in cellcos. So there may be more than Verizon involved in the deal.</p> When I last visited the telco literature, the baby bells and worldcoms were spinning off ‘outside plant’, so the actual tower ownership, installation, and upkeep, were property of ‘unaffiliated’ companies outside of the incumbent baby bells. The ownership may be more closely held in cellcos. So there may be more than Verizon involved in the deal.

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