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		<title>By: brendanx</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nativist Party&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes.  This is what neoconservatives are really afraid of, a Buchananite heading the party.  See David Brooks or Charles Krauthammer.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Yes.  This is what neoconservatives are really afraid of, a Buchananite heading the party.  See David Brooks or Charles Krauthammer.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Barely a mention of Palins misconduct in Alaska in the MSM this weekend barely a whisper.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
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		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;aha, bmaz just reminded me of this thead from the lake&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it is hard to believe mccain does not have the balls to just dump this moron&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that might be his only chance right now too, he might actually get a bump if he picks somebody credible&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;she has been his biggest liability, losing far more votes then she gained on his behalf, he already has the finances she was able to gain for him&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if he has an ounce of manhood he dumps this moron&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aha, bmaz just reminded me of this thead from the lake</p>
<p>it is hard to believe mccain does not have the balls to just dump this moron</p>
<p>that might be his only chance right now too, he might actually get a bump if he picks somebody credible</p>
<p>she has been his biggest liability, losing far more votes then she gained on his behalf, he already has the finances she was able to gain for him</p>
<p>if he has an ounce of manhood he dumps this moron</p>
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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Who knows what 2012 will look like?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Watching video on various news services of McPalin campaign events, I’m struck by their dual-microphone back and forth… as much her gestures &amp; body language as her nonsensical content.  She consistently reminds me of exploitive evangelicals I’ve seen on the pulpit, pumping up witless listeners w/bull shit in the name of faith (or something).  I’ve also seen stuff that leads me to conclude she does this consciously (eg. manipluates) rather than by some delusional religious motive obscurring her awareness of the same.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Her seriousness in flaming the what-we-don’t-know-about-Obama meme is one sequence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I saw another one, which (to best of my knowledge) didn’t get parsed on the liberal blogs: a seemingly sincere questioner @ one of their events said she thought bulk of Alaska oil (I think 3/4 was the # cited) was being “shipped to China”.  Palin was visibly taken aback, went off on some nonsensical blabbery… said “there’s laws against that” (or some such vaguery), then Palin concluded by saying something like “the # is less than that” (which it’s not).  Her awareness of the disconnect between “drill baby drill” and “export baby export”, and subsequent calculated bull shitting around said disconnect was troubling… in the same way I’ve seen evangelicals pray of particular parishioners in open church meetings to “believe on God” for their new Honda Accord. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think blind ambition (thanks John Dean) charactarizes this woman well… The Hockey-Mom-From-Hell AFAIC.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My visceral response after seeing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g0d3_KE5js&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rev. Conrad’s &lt;/a&gt;invocation @ McPalin’s Davenport rally was: this must be Palin’s influence on planning for these things.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Right after McCain announced her as VP pick, there was “stuff” on some of the Alaska blogs… interviews w/local waitress and a couple others if I recall, saying she was known to let the racial epithets fly.  From what I’ve seen, I suspect that’s true.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As US/World econ situation deteriorates, in ruminating moments considering how I &lt;em&gt;wish &lt;/em&gt;things would turn out and how we got here, I can’t help thinking of disconnect between what Reagan actually did vs. Repubs invocation of his mystical legend: eg. they remember the tax cuts, but not them being revoked.  They remember revived economy, but forget it was driven by refrigerator sales/junk bonds &amp; hostile takeovers that raped and pillaged good companies leaving a lot of empty, worthless carcasses. And they attribute to Ronnie dismantling the Soviet Union, while ignoring the nearly incomprehensible “bloodless coup” that happened from w/in… seemingly not really giving a rip about even attempting to comprehend how that happened.  (That particular historical manipulation led directly to US losing faith w/Russian’s trust in “capitalism”, but that’s a whole ‘nuther story…)  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All this made up mystique has contributed greatly to GOP motivations that have led to current precipice of disaster.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, regarding Palin and her viscous religiosity, I’m reminded of Reagan/Falwell nexus and Ronnie’s welcome and inclusion of religious fundies masquerading as God’s people into a critical mass moving politics in toxic directions.  I mention this because both during Falwell’s political days and during tributes after his death, his well documented bigotry was conveniently ignored.  A commentary in midst of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.frostillustrated.com/full.php?sid=1384&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Falwell’s post mortem “tributes”&lt;/a&gt; illustrated the disconnect: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Like many Southern white ministers, Falwell didn’t sit on the sidelines at the outset of the modern civil rights movement—he joined the opposition.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Decades before the forces that now make up the Christian right declared their culture war, Falwell was a rabid segregationist who railed against the civil rights movement from the pulpit of the abandoned backwater bottling plant he converted into Thomas Road Baptist Church,” Max Blumenthal writes in an insightful article in The Nation magazine. “This opening episode of Falwell’s life, studiously overlooked by his friends, naively unacknowledged by many of his chroniclers, and puzzlingly and glaringly omitted in the obituaries of the Washington Post and New York Times, is essential to understanding his historical significance in galvanizing the Christian right. Indeed, it was race—not abortion or the attendant suite of so-called ‘values’ issues—that propelled Falwell and his evangelical allies into political activism.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Four years after the Supreme Court’s Brown vs. Board of Education outlawing segregated public schools, Falwell gave a speech titled, “Segregation or Integration.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His message was unmistakably clear:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God’s word and had desired to do the Lord’s will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision would never have been made. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn the line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The argument that God ordained segregation and white supremacy was advanced by many southern white ministers. We should not forget that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “Letter from Birmingham Jail” was written to his colleagues of the cloth. The letter, written April 16, 1963, said, in part:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I have been disappointed with the church… When I was suddenly catapulted into the leadership of the bus protest in Montgomery, Alabama a few years ago, I felt we would be supported by the white church. I felt the white ministers, priests, and rabbis of the South would be among our strongest allies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Instead, some have been outright opponents, refusing to understand the freedom movement and misrepresenting its leaders; all too many others have been more cautious than courageous and have remained silent behind the anesthetizing security of stained-glass windows.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Everything I’ve seen from Palin reminds me of this… a bigoted and self-seeking wolf in sheep’s clothing masquerading as a purveyor of the faith.  Very dangerous woman IMO.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knows what 2012 will look like?  </p>
<p>Watching video on various news services of McPalin campaign events, I’m struck by their dual-microphone back and forth… as much her gestures &amp; body language as her nonsensical content.  She consistently reminds me of exploitive evangelicals I’ve seen on the pulpit, pumping up witless listeners w/bull shit in the name of faith (or something).  I’ve also seen stuff that leads me to conclude she does this consciously (eg. manipluates) rather than by some delusional religious motive obscurring her awareness of the same.</p>
<p>Her seriousness in flaming the what-we-don’t-know-about-Obama meme is one sequence.</p>
<p>I saw another one, which (to best of my knowledge) didn’t get parsed on the liberal blogs: a seemingly sincere questioner @ one of their events said she thought bulk of Alaska oil (I think 3/4 was the # cited) was being “shipped to China”.  Palin was visibly taken aback, went off on some nonsensical blabbery… said “there’s laws against that” (or some such vaguery), then Palin concluded by saying something like “the # is less than that” (which it’s not).  Her awareness of the disconnect between “drill baby drill” and “export baby export”, and subsequent calculated bull shitting around said disconnect was troubling… in the same way I’ve seen evangelicals pray of particular parishioners in open church meetings to “believe on God” for their new Honda Accord. </p>
<p>I think blind ambition (thanks John Dean) charactarizes this woman well… The Hockey-Mom-From-Hell AFAIC.</p>
<p>…</p>
<p>My visceral response after seeing <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g0d3_KE5js" rel="nofollow">Rev. Conrad’s </a>invocation @ McPalin’s Davenport rally was: this must be Palin’s influence on planning for these things.</p>
<p>Right after McCain announced her as VP pick, there was “stuff” on some of the Alaska blogs… interviews w/local waitress and a couple others if I recall, saying she was known to let the racial epithets fly.  From what I’ve seen, I suspect that’s true.</p>
<p>…</p>
<p>As US/World econ situation deteriorates, in ruminating moments considering how I <em>wish </em>things would turn out and how we got here, I can’t help thinking of disconnect between what Reagan actually did vs. Repubs invocation of his mystical legend: eg. they remember the tax cuts, but not them being revoked.  They remember revived economy, but forget it was driven by refrigerator sales/junk bonds &amp; hostile takeovers that raped and pillaged good companies leaving a lot of empty, worthless carcasses. And they attribute to Ronnie dismantling the Soviet Union, while ignoring the nearly incomprehensible “bloodless coup” that happened from w/in… seemingly not really giving a rip about even attempting to comprehend how that happened.  (That particular historical manipulation led directly to US losing faith w/Russian’s trust in “capitalism”, but that’s a whole ‘nuther story…)  </p>
<p>All this made up mystique has contributed greatly to GOP motivations that have led to current precipice of disaster.</p>
<p>However, regarding Palin and her viscous religiosity, I’m reminded of Reagan/Falwell nexus and Ronnie’s welcome and inclusion of religious fundies masquerading as God’s people into a critical mass moving politics in toxic directions.  I mention this because both during Falwell’s political days and during tributes after his death, his well documented bigotry was conveniently ignored.  A commentary in midst of <a href="http://www.frostillustrated.com/full.php?sid=1384" rel="nofollow">Falwell’s post mortem “tributes”</a> illustrated the disconnect: </p>
<blockquote><p>
Like many Southern white ministers, Falwell didn’t sit on the sidelines at the outset of the modern civil rights movement—he joined the opposition.</p>
<p>“Decades before the forces that now make up the Christian right declared their culture war, Falwell was a rabid segregationist who railed against the civil rights movement from the pulpit of the abandoned backwater bottling plant he converted into Thomas Road Baptist Church,” Max Blumenthal writes in an insightful article in The Nation magazine. “This opening episode of Falwell’s life, studiously overlooked by his friends, naively unacknowledged by many of his chroniclers, and puzzlingly and glaringly omitted in the obituaries of the Washington Post and New York Times, is essential to understanding his historical significance in galvanizing the Christian right. Indeed, it was race—not abortion or the attendant suite of so-called ‘values’ issues—that propelled Falwell and his evangelical allies into political activism.”</p>
<p>Four years after the Supreme Court’s Brown vs. Board of Education outlawing segregated public schools, Falwell gave a speech titled, “Segregation or Integration.”</p>
<p>His message was unmistakably clear:</p>
<p>“If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God’s word and had desired to do the Lord’s will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision would never have been made. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn the line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line.”</p>
<p>The argument that God ordained segregation and white supremacy was advanced by many southern white ministers. We should not forget that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “Letter from Birmingham Jail” was written to his colleagues of the cloth. The letter, written April 16, 1963, said, in part:</p>
<p>“I have been disappointed with the church… When I was suddenly catapulted into the leadership of the bus protest in Montgomery, Alabama a few years ago, I felt we would be supported by the white church. I felt the white ministers, priests, and rabbis of the South would be among our strongest allies.</p>
<p>“Instead, some have been outright opponents, refusing to understand the freedom movement and misrepresenting its leaders; all too many others have been more cautious than courageous and have remained silent behind the anesthetizing security of stained-glass windows.”</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Everything I’ve seen from Palin reminds me of this… a bigoted and self-seeking wolf in sheep’s clothing masquerading as a purveyor of the faith.  Very dangerous woman IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: yonodeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonodeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Todd should start vetting Sarah’s Cabinet choices now. He is such a thorough guy, and he may may want to do some emailing and stuff, so she should allow him plenty of time and leash. O how handy to have an alpha male who can get down and dirty in the cage.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd should start vetting Sarah’s Cabinet choices now. He is such a thorough guy, and he may may want to do some emailing and stuff, so she should allow him plenty of time and leash. O how handy to have an alpha male who can get down and dirty in the cage.</p>
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		<title>By: RevBev</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevBev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That trouble processing view reminds me exactly of the village idiot from TX….so scary that these folks get hyped and promoted for God know what reasons….or, maybe we do know.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That trouble processing view reminds me exactly of the village idiot from TX….so scary that these folks get hyped and promoted for God know what reasons….or, maybe we do know.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually Frank Sulloway is a major proponent of neural response to the environment. His view is that biology is the result of the interaction of genetic potentialities with environmental imputs. His work on personality indicated that birth order, not genetics, had the greatest imput in outcomes. Many of these environmental factors may occur in early childhood, however. Reorganization may become increasingly difficult as one ages, although hormonal shifts may actually create substantive changes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Frank Sulloway is a major proponent of neural response to the environment. His view is that biology is the result of the interaction of genetic potentialities with environmental imputs. His work on personality indicated that birth order, not genetics, had the greatest imput in outcomes. Many of these environmental factors may occur in early childhood, however. Reorganization may become increasingly difficult as one ages, although hormonal shifts may actually create substantive changes.</p>
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		<title>By: mkls</title>
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		<dc:creator>mkls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Probably too late (knocked on 91 doors today) but still — Palin is the ultimate coyote date.&lt;br /&gt;
McCain dare not lose her (he would lose the base == along with his arm and more) but he can’t win with her attached at the knees and ankules.&lt;br /&gt;
So sad.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably too late (knocked on 91 doors today) but still — Palin is the ultimate coyote date.<br />
McCain dare not lose her (he would lose the base == along with his arm and more) but he can’t win with her attached at the knees and ankules.<br />
So sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you very much for that, rotl, it provides a highly understandable model for a dynamic that’s always puzzled and troubled me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hmmm, thinking long term: brain differences + migration/grouping + inter-group enmity = speciation?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for that, rotl, it provides a highly understandable model for a dynamic that’s always puzzled and troubled me.</p>
<p>Hmmm, thinking long term: brain differences + migration/grouping + inter-group enmity = speciation?</p>
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		<title>By: MadDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Boy, I sure seem to be in a ranty mood today.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No problemo, rant away! *g*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d rather hear and read what folks &lt;i&gt;“think”&lt;/i&gt;, than what their lizard-brains are telling them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Boy, I sure seem to be in a ranty mood today.</p>
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<p>No problemo, rant away! *g*</p>
<p>I’d rather hear and read what folks <i>“think”</i>, than what their lizard-brains are telling them.</p>
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