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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/06/debate-prep/comment-page-1/#comment-104507</link>
		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; EW:  I’ll be curious to hear about the make-up in the audience.&lt;br /&gt;
JDM: I’ll put my take on that up here later today.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ok, I didn’t get in.  Event was inside, I was told seating was 1200 and preticketed.  AFAIK, this thing wasn’t announced ’till yesterday (???), so I guess one may have to be plugged into McCain’s operation to be aware of scheduling and such.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was going mostly to observe, out of my own sense of focused, irrational curiosity. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Makeup of crowd by my unscientific estimates was +/- 50% young folks (22 and under… students?), the rest 30+ somethings well up to 60 or so.  Not many older than that, however… eg. Soc Sec age.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hung out in line for about 1/2 hr. till it became clear they’d have cacpacity (I was told I could get in if seats unfilled).  I was with group of 4 women:&lt;br /&gt;
  - late 50s retired military med lab tech, started a FARMERS INS office 5 yrs ago… says she’s doing great.&lt;br /&gt;
  - 20 yr old sophomore RN student @ UNM, grew up in rural NM.  Says her mom got pregnant w/her @ age 18… almost had an abortion then couldn’t go through w/it.  Says mom collected welfare to pay bills/college, then raised this young woman &amp; her younger sister.  She said all this in context of blasting Obama for wanting to “tax to pay for abortions.”  Kind’a simple minded IMO: a lot of “I love Heather Wilson”, “I hate Udall”… pretty much down the line.  She also had much to say about “nobody understanding what’s going on w/economy”, including her “liberal sociology professor”… in which case, she may have been correct.&lt;br /&gt;
  - Sister of above (RN student)… quiet, didn’t say much.&lt;br /&gt;
  - Friend of RN from Los Alamos, no college/working as office person at lab up there.  Evangelical X’stian, vocal (and irrational IMO) about it, and echoed same memes as RN: Obama wants to “kill babies”, “raise taxes”, etc. etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They all love Palin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mostly I just listened.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I did speak up wrt collective opinion of these women that “nobody understands” what’s going on w/economy.  I put out a precise timeline back to ‘98, what was legislated &amp; what followed, etc etc.  The FARMERS’ woman thought Sarbane/Oxley was deregulation law (rather than correction for deregulation after Enron).  The young student and her friend both thought “welfare state” was the problem.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They all just looked at me blank &amp; empty eyed after I said my piece re “how we got here” wrt economy… clearly, they hadn’t heard any of this and it struck them somehow.  Also clear they just don’t know what’s going on.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wasn’t there to pick a fight and didn’t.  But this is the state of things… a lot of ignorance, and a lot of bad information out there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> EW:  I’ll be curious to hear about the make-up in the audience.<br />
JDM: I’ll put my take on that up here later today.</p>
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<p>Ok, I didn’t get in.  Event was inside, I was told seating was 1200 and preticketed.  AFAIK, this thing wasn’t announced ’till yesterday (???), so I guess one may have to be plugged into McCain’s operation to be aware of scheduling and such.</p>
<p>I was going mostly to observe, out of my own sense of focused, irrational curiosity. </p>
<p>Makeup of crowd by my unscientific estimates was +/- 50% young folks (22 and under… students?), the rest 30+ somethings well up to 60 or so.  Not many older than that, however… eg. Soc Sec age.  </p>
<p>I hung out in line for about 1/2 hr. till it became clear they’d have cacpacity (I was told I could get in if seats unfilled).  I was with group of 4 women:<br />
  &#8211; late 50s retired military med lab tech, started a FARMERS INS office 5 yrs ago… says she’s doing great.<br />
  &#8211; 20 yr old sophomore RN student @ UNM, grew up in rural NM.  Says her mom got pregnant w/her @ age 18… almost had an abortion then couldn’t go through w/it.  Says mom collected welfare to pay bills/college, then raised this young woman &amp; her younger sister.  She said all this in context of blasting Obama for wanting to “tax to pay for abortions.”  Kind’a simple minded IMO: a lot of “I love Heather Wilson”, “I hate Udall”… pretty much down the line.  She also had much to say about “nobody understanding what’s going on w/economy”, including her “liberal sociology professor”… in which case, she may have been correct.<br />
  &#8211; Sister of above (RN student)… quiet, didn’t say much.<br />
  &#8211; Friend of RN from Los Alamos, no college/working as office person at lab up there.  Evangelical X’stian, vocal (and irrational IMO) about it, and echoed same memes as RN: Obama wants to “kill babies”, “raise taxes”, etc. etc.</p>
<p>They all love Palin.</p>
<p>Mostly I just listened.  </p>
<p>I did speak up wrt collective opinion of these women that “nobody understands” what’s going on w/economy.  I put out a precise timeline back to ‘98, what was legislated &amp; what followed, etc etc.  The FARMERS’ woman thought Sarbane/Oxley was deregulation law (rather than correction for deregulation after Enron).  The young student and her friend both thought “welfare state” was the problem.  </p>
<p>They all just looked at me blank &amp; empty eyed after I said my piece re “how we got here” wrt economy… clearly, they hadn’t heard any of this and it struck them somehow.  Also clear they just don’t know what’s going on.  </p>
<p>I wasn’t there to pick a fight and didn’t.  But this is the state of things… a lot of ignorance, and a lot of bad information out there.</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/06/debate-prep/comment-page-1/#comment-104502</link>
		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ll be there. The democrats have a visibility program, with strong efforts to get people out. My friend will be there at 5:30 AM to make the Today Show, and other morning shows, and then for Chris Matthews et al. (is  Rachel going to be there?)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ll be there. The democrats have a visibility program, with strong efforts to get people out. My friend will be there at 5:30 AM to make the Today Show, and other morning shows, and then for Chris Matthews et al. (is  Rachel going to be there?)</p>
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		<title>By: JThomason</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/06/debate-prep/comment-page-1/#comment-104398</link>
		<dc:creator>JThomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;”call” even&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>”call” even</p>
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		<title>By: JThomason</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/06/debate-prep/comment-page-1/#comment-104393</link>
		<dc:creator>JThomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe its time for Obama to McCain out on sitting on the Abramoff evidence gathered in the Senate committee McCain chaired.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe its time for Obama to McCain out on sitting on the Abramoff evidence gathered in the Senate committee McCain chaired.</p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/06/debate-prep/comment-page-1/#comment-104385</link>
		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;McCain’s ideal debate format is a show of hands.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain’s ideal debate format is a show of hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/06/debate-prep/comment-page-1/#comment-104370</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;alternatively, call Obama office?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alternatively, call Obama office?</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/06/debate-prep/comment-page-1/#comment-104369</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Call Kerry or Kennedy offices?  Have a friend do so?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good luck.  Unsettling times, these!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call Kerry or Kennedy offices?  Have a friend do so?</p>
<p>Good luck.  Unsettling times, these!</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/06/debate-prep/comment-page-1/#comment-104360</link>
		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;When she meets Cheney. Hope her first question is “Can I call ya Dick”?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you just provided me with a a vision of what hell has in store for dick cheney&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;satan will probably use anna nicole smith on cheney instead of sarah palin&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;sarah would be better punishment for the repuglitards other dick&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;and nixon’s been waitin for a room mate in hell for a long time now …&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em><strong>When she meets Cheney. Hope her first question is “Can I call ya Dick”?</strong></em></p>
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<p>you just provided me with a a vision of what hell has in store for dick cheney</p>
<p>satan will probably use anna nicole smith on cheney instead of sarah palin</p>
<p>sarah would be better punishment for the repuglitards other dick</p>
<p><em>and nixon’s been waitin for a room mate in hell for a long time now …</em></p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/06/debate-prep/comment-page-1/#comment-104359</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;do they still give away toys with those things?  where are they made?  shouldn’t they double-check for the lead content of the paint, hidden magnets or mikes, et al for such an esteemed maverick, or has he eschewed safety of self the way he has for the rest of us more compassionate heathens?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do they still give away toys with those things?  where are they made?  shouldn’t they double-check for the lead content of the paint, hidden magnets or mikes, et al for such an esteemed maverick, or has he eschewed safety of self the way he has for the rest of us more compassionate heathens?</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/06/debate-prep/comment-page-1/#comment-104357</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just scribbled something downstairs that kinda applies here too.  Would appreciate impressions/comment, thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/06/new-proof-on-longtime-mccain-lie-about-threatening-official/#comment-104352&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://emptywheel.firedoglake......ent-104352&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just scribbled something downstairs that kinda applies here too.  Would appreciate impressions/comment, thanks.</p>
<p><a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/06/new-proof-on-longtime-mccain-lie-about-threatening-official/#comment-104352" rel="nofollow">http://emptywheel.firedoglake&#8230;&#8230;ent-104352</a></p>
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