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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/playing-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-102602</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Answers to questions from “voters” hollerin’ from across the “area” is gotcha journalism and don’t count.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0YL11H0Pm0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Video&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answers to questions from “voters” hollerin’ from across the “area” is gotcha journalism and don’t count.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0YL11H0Pm0" rel="nofollow">Video</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/playing-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-102262</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But listening to C-Spans Washington Journal the morning after the debate guest (Matthew Continuetti/Weekly Standard) on the program were spinning the command that McCain had on foreign policy by all of the name and country dropping he had participated in.  No mention  that McCain had said the wrong name.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But listening to C-Spans Washington Journal the morning after the debate guest (Matthew Continuetti/Weekly Standard) on the program were spinning the command that McCain had on foreign policy by all of the name and country dropping he had participated in.  No mention  that McCain had said the wrong name.</p>
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		<title>By: kspena</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/playing-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-102191</link>
		<dc:creator>kspena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Drawing troops away from Afghanistan for use in Iraq beginning in the spring of 2002 was based on the deeply flawed assumption on the part of Bush, probably McCain, certainly Cheney and Rumsfeld, that they had the full commitment of Musharraf, the Pakistani Army and the ISI to deal with the remains of al-Qaeda, and that Musharraf was serious about taking control of the various Islamic militia groups that are related to the Taliban. (Remember Musharraf’s TV speech to this effect, his bans on various Islamic groups and all?) In fact Musharraf played all of them — he was fine with handing over obscure Arabs, Egyptians, Africans, Central Asians and all who we willingly paid for, and transported to Gitmo — but he well understood that Hekmatyar’s outfit which belonged to ISI, and others with Saudi support, and close relations with bin Laden, were protected property.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think you’re right on here.  The neocons think the whole world thinks as they do in the narrow focus of power and greed. Consequently, they’re easily rolled.  Look at how easily the neocons have been rolled by Iraqis and Iranians over and over again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Drawing troops away from Afghanistan for use in Iraq beginning in the spring of 2002 was based on the deeply flawed assumption on the part of Bush, probably McCain, certainly Cheney and Rumsfeld, that they had the full commitment of Musharraf, the Pakistani Army and the ISI to deal with the remains of al-Qaeda, and that Musharraf was serious about taking control of the various Islamic militia groups that are related to the Taliban. (Remember Musharraf’s TV speech to this effect, his bans on various Islamic groups and all?) In fact Musharraf played all of them — he was fine with handing over obscure Arabs, Egyptians, Africans, Central Asians and all who we willingly paid for, and transported to Gitmo — but he well understood that Hekmatyar’s outfit which belonged to ISI, and others with Saudi support, and close relations with bin Laden, were protected property.” </p>
<p>I think you’re right on here.  The neocons think the whole world thinks as they do in the narrow focus of power and greed. Consequently, they’re easily rolled.  Look at how easily the neocons have been rolled by Iraqis and Iranians over and over again.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/playing-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-102189</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“It was at McClatchy. Here’s the link.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Link didn’t copy — go back to #26&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yea, good article, plus a number of good extra links to other McClatchy articles of value.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I have serious doubts whether a tribal militia can accomplish much.  In that culture, they raise a militia on a very temporary basis, they don’t carry the logistics to maintain much more than a single targeted attack.  Dir itself is a fascinating area — a narrow valley with hills on one side, and higher mountains on the other, and virtually every male in the valley is a gunsmith.  They can hand copy any gun that has ever been made — and the road is lined with Gun Dealers and makers.  If you show an interest, they encourage you to go out behind the stall and shoot off a few rounds of whatever.  They don’t let tourists in anymore, but when I was there it was wide open, and there were lots of Afghani men around shopping for what they planned to take over the mountains.  (I was there in the midst of the war with the Soviets — just before Reagan released the Stingers to them).  Dir does not furnish the Pakistani Army — but it is the source for everyone else.  Very strange mix — the normal Bazaar environment, the shooting ranges in the rear, many bearded men covered in bandoleers, small furnaces for smelting metals tended by a little 6 year old working the bellows, and every stall had a tea table where the deals were made.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can just imagine why they would not want the Taliban getting involved with their business — Customers yes, but not governors.  They don’t want the Pakistani Government either — they don’t pay any taxes.  In these Tribal areas, the law is that Pakistan owns the road, and so many yards on either side of it, but beyond that the writ of the state just doesn’t run.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“It was at McClatchy. Here’s the link.”</p>
<p>Link didn’t copy — go back to #26</p>
<p>Yea, good article, plus a number of good extra links to other McClatchy articles of value.  </p>
<p>But I have serious doubts whether a tribal militia can accomplish much.  In that culture, they raise a militia on a very temporary basis, they don’t carry the logistics to maintain much more than a single targeted attack.  Dir itself is a fascinating area — a narrow valley with hills on one side, and higher mountains on the other, and virtually every male in the valley is a gunsmith.  They can hand copy any gun that has ever been made — and the road is lined with Gun Dealers and makers.  If you show an interest, they encourage you to go out behind the stall and shoot off a few rounds of whatever.  They don’t let tourists in anymore, but when I was there it was wide open, and there were lots of Afghani men around shopping for what they planned to take over the mountains.  (I was there in the midst of the war with the Soviets — just before Reagan released the Stingers to them).  Dir does not furnish the Pakistani Army — but it is the source for everyone else.  Very strange mix — the normal Bazaar environment, the shooting ranges in the rear, many bearded men covered in bandoleers, small furnaces for smelting metals tended by a little 6 year old working the bellows, and every stall had a tea table where the deals were made.  </p>
<p>You can just imagine why they would not want the Taliban getting involved with their business — Customers yes, but not governors.  They don’t want the Pakistani Government either — they don’t pay any taxes.  In these Tribal areas, the law is that Pakistan owns the road, and so many yards on either side of it, but beyond that the writ of the state just doesn’t run.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/playing-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-102179</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“In 1998 Senator McCain supported the sale of nuclear-capable F-16’s to Pakistan, in spite of the fact that they were preparing to test a nuclear weapon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), speaking on CBS, said that releasing the F-16s — which he supports — was unlikely to affect Pakistan’s decision” to test the nuclear bomb.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have checked Index references in about a dozen books about the Soviet Era war in Afghanistan, some covering the post war period up to 9/11, and not a single reference in any of them to McCain.  Have checked half a dozen on the Pakistani Nuclear Project — again no McCain references.  If he had any opinions about either, he sure didn’t leave any footprints people writing about US Actions and Policy thought worth citing.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The F-16’s were withheld from Pakistan, even though they had paid for most of them, under the terms of the Pressler Amendment, which came into effect before Bill Clinton was elected.  The argument was that F-16’s could be easily modified as a nuclear delivery system, and we would not sell them to countries that were persueing the Nuclear Fuel Cycle if the country was not signed on to the Non-Proliferation Treaty.  (exception for Israel, which maintains the fiction that they don’t have or won’t tell.)  Bush II got the Pressler Amendment revoked, and the F-16’s were delivered after 2002.  In response, India leased unused former Soviet nuclear capable bombers at the same time the Pressler Amendment was revoked.  Both India and Pakistan are building the same kind of three legged stool we maintained in the Cold War — Submarine launch capacity, Aircraft capacity, and Missle capacity.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“In 1998 Senator McCain supported the sale of nuclear-capable F-16’s to Pakistan, in spite of the fact that they were preparing to test a nuclear weapon.</p>
<p>“Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), speaking on CBS, said that releasing the F-16s — which he supports — was unlikely to affect Pakistan’s decision” to test the nuclear bomb.”</p>
<p>Have checked Index references in about a dozen books about the Soviet Era war in Afghanistan, some covering the post war period up to 9/11, and not a single reference in any of them to McCain.  Have checked half a dozen on the Pakistani Nuclear Project — again no McCain references.  If he had any opinions about either, he sure didn’t leave any footprints people writing about US Actions and Policy thought worth citing.  </p>
<p>The F-16’s were withheld from Pakistan, even though they had paid for most of them, under the terms of the Pressler Amendment, which came into effect before Bill Clinton was elected.  The argument was that F-16’s could be easily modified as a nuclear delivery system, and we would not sell them to countries that were persueing the Nuclear Fuel Cycle if the country was not signed on to the Non-Proliferation Treaty.  (exception for Israel, which maintains the fiction that they don’t have or won’t tell.)  Bush II got the Pressler Amendment revoked, and the F-16’s were delivered after 2002.  In response, India leased unused former Soviet nuclear capable bombers at the same time the Pressler Amendment was revoked.  Both India and Pakistan are building the same kind of three legged stool we maintained in the Cold War — Submarine launch capacity, Aircraft capacity, and Missle capacity.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/playing-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-102171</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“I don’t think that Sen. Obama understands that there was a failed state in Pakistan when Musharraf came to power,” referring to former President Pervez Musharraf, who took power in a coup 1999. Although Pakistan sure had problems, many people didn’t regard the country, then a nuclear-armed one, as a failed state.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A tad more on McCain’s thoughts on what he now consider’s the “failed state” of 1998 Pakistan&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In 1998 Senator McCain supported the sale of nuclear-capable F-16’s to Pakistan, in spite of the fact that they were preparing to test a nuclear weapon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), speaking on CBS, said that releasing the F-16s — which he supports — was unlikely to affect Pakistan’s decision” to test the nuclear bomb.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/southasia/stories/urge051898.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....051898.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So was Senator McCain willing to supply F-16’s to a nuclear-armed rogue “failed state”?????&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder if the videotape of that statement on CBS can be found. It’d be a great “then-and-now” advertisement.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“I don’t think that Sen. Obama understands that there was a failed state in Pakistan when Musharraf came to power,” referring to former President Pervez Musharraf, who took power in a coup 1999. Although Pakistan sure had problems, many people didn’t regard the country, then a nuclear-armed one, as a failed state.</p>
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<p>A tad more on McCain’s thoughts on what he now consider’s the “failed state” of 1998 Pakistan</p>
<p>In 1998 Senator McCain supported the sale of nuclear-capable F-16’s to Pakistan, in spite of the fact that they were preparing to test a nuclear weapon.</p>
<p>“Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), speaking on CBS, said that releasing the F-16s — which he supports — was unlikely to affect Pakistan’s decision” to test the nuclear bomb.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/southasia/stories/urge051898.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/&#8230;..051898.htm</a></p>
<p>So was Senator McCain willing to supply F-16’s to a nuclear-armed rogue “failed state”?????</p>
<p>I wonder if the videotape of that statement on CBS can be found. It’d be a great “then-and-now” advertisement.</p>
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		<title>By: joejoejoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joejoejoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have vanquished my DNS problems like a Wolverine smiting a Badger. Thanks for your help EW!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have vanquished my DNS problems like a Wolverine smiting a Badger. Thanks for your help EW!</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/playing-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-102167</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ew/all ot&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amy Goodman interviewed Iranian President Ahamdinejad last week.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Part I&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracynow.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.democracynow.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
2008/9/26/iranian_president_mahmoud_ahmedinejad_on_iran  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Part II&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/26/iranian_president_mahmoud_ahmedinejad_on_iran&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.democracynow.org/20.....ad_on_iran&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ew/all ot</p>
<p>Amy Goodman interviewed Iranian President Ahamdinejad last week.</p>
<p>Part I</p>
<p><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/</a><br />
2008/9/26/iranian_president_mahmoud_ahmedinejad_on_iran  </p>
<p>Part II<br /><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/26/iranian_president_mahmoud_ahmedinejad_on_iran" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/20&#8230;..ad_on_iran</a></p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well Zardari thinks she’s “gorgeous” and he’s a widower…so perhaps Todd should be careful about letting Sarah meet with these guys. After all, she’s ambitious, and imagine what she could do for evangelicalism as the new wife of the PM of Pakistan! She could be the new “Sonia Gandhi”…just accross the frontier.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I can see India from my Palace!”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Zardari thinks she’s “gorgeous” and he’s a widower…so perhaps Todd should be careful about letting Sarah meet with these guys. After all, she’s ambitious, and imagine what she could do for evangelicalism as the new wife of the PM of Pakistan! She could be the new “Sonia Gandhi”…just accross the frontier.</p>
<p>“I can see India from my Palace!”</p>
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		<title>By: watercarrier4diogenes</title>
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		<dc:creator>watercarrier4diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While I thoroughly enjoyed BECKER and VAN NATTA’s honesty and integrity when they included this Tucker Bounds quote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Mr. McCain’s spokesman, Tucker Bounds, would not discuss the senator’s night of gambling at Foxwoods, saying: “Your paper has repeatedly attempted to insinuate impropriety on the part of Senator McCain where none exists — and it reveals that your publication is desperately willing to gamble away what little credibility it still has.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt; I was surprised that no one, even here, has brought up the approx. 75,000 documents collected (sequestered?) by McCain during the Abramoff hearings that he has continued to refuse to release.  The whole story may well be far more damaging than anything posited so far.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And how about those medical records, John?  Got an albatross or two in there?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I thoroughly enjoyed BECKER and VAN NATTA’s honesty and integrity when they included this Tucker Bounds quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Mr. McCain’s spokesman, Tucker Bounds, would not discuss the senator’s night of gambling at Foxwoods, saying: “Your paper has repeatedly attempted to insinuate impropriety on the part of Senator McCain where none exists — and it reveals that your publication is desperately willing to gamble away what little credibility it still has.”</p></blockquote>
<p> I was surprised that no one, even here, has brought up the approx. 75,000 documents collected (sequestered?) by McCain during the Abramoff hearings that he has continued to refuse to release.  The whole story may well be far more damaging than anything posited so far.</p>
<p>And how about those medical records, John?  Got an albatross or two in there?</p>
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