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	<title>Comments on: The March 10, 2004 Hospital Confrontation, A Timeline</title>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 01:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;25 - She’s talking about when she was on NSC as the NSA though. While Powell was at State, with Taft who might possibly deserve the unwarranted reputation Bellinger has tried to claim as fighting torture.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So I don’t see how she’s protecting state with those statements and I don’t see why she’s even offering them up (since none of the other Principals are - except maybe Ashcroft behind closed doors) unless it is to make sure Ashcroft is nailed as specifically reviewing and authorizing everything that was done and to cut off at the knees the claims that he didn’t really know what Addington and Yoo were up to.  Maybe it involves protecting state, but I don’t see that and it does seem very personally motivated towards Ashcroft.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>25 &#8211; She’s talking about when she was on NSC as the NSA though. While Powell was at State, with Taft who might possibly deserve the unwarranted reputation Bellinger has tried to claim as fighting torture.</p>
<p>So I don’t see how she’s protecting state with those statements and I don’t see why she’s even offering them up (since none of the other Principals are &#8211; except maybe Ashcroft behind closed doors) unless it is to make sure Ashcroft is nailed as specifically reviewing and authorizing everything that was done and to cut off at the knees the claims that he didn’t really know what Addington and Yoo were up to.  Maybe it involves protecting state, but I don’t see that and it does seem very personally motivated towards Ashcroft.</p>
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		<title>By: MadDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Sunday March 14&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Time unknown:&lt;/strong&gt; OLC provides a briefing titled “Presentation: Where DOJ is on [REDACTED CLASSIFIED CODENAME].” It consists of a two-page presentation, and (presumably) five-page handouts of bullet points related to the presentation. These materials “were prepared for purposes of providing legal assistance and advice to other Executive Branch officials concerning DOJ’s views about foreign intelligence activities.”3:00PM: Mueller meets at DOJ with Comey, et al.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;EW, shouldn’t this be:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Sunday March 14 &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Time unknown&lt;/strong&gt;: OLC provides a briefing titled “Presentation: Where DOJ is on [REDACTED CLASSIFIED CODENAME].” It consists of a two-page presentation, and (presumably) five-page handouts of bullet points related to the presentation. These materials “were prepared for purposes of providing legal assistance and advice to other Executive Branch officials concerning DOJ’s views about foreign intelligence activities.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;3:00PM:&lt;/strong&gt; Mueller meets at DOJ with Comey, et al.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Sunday March 14</strong> </p>
<p><strong>Time unknown:</strong> OLC provides a briefing titled “Presentation: Where DOJ is on [REDACTED CLASSIFIED CODENAME].” It consists of a two-page presentation, and (presumably) five-page handouts of bullet points related to the presentation. These materials “were prepared for purposes of providing legal assistance and advice to other Executive Branch officials concerning DOJ’s views about foreign intelligence activities.”3:00PM: Mueller meets at DOJ with Comey, et al.</p>
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<p>EW, shouldn’t this be:</p>
<p><strong>Sunday March 14 </strong></p>
<p><strong>Time unknown</strong>: OLC provides a briefing titled “Presentation: Where DOJ is on [REDACTED CLASSIFIED CODENAME].” It consists of a two-page presentation, and (presumably) five-page handouts of bullet points related to the presentation. These materials “were prepared for purposes of providing legal assistance and advice to other Executive Branch officials concerning DOJ’s views about foreign intelligence activities.”</p>
<p><strong>3:00PM:</strong> Mueller meets at DOJ with Comey, et al.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Are they going to throw Addington off the bus”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“It has been widely reported that Bush executed the March 11 order with a blank space over the attorney general’s signature line. That is not correct [15]. For reasons both symbolic and practical, the vice president’s lawyer could not tolerate an empty spot where a mutinous subordinate should have signed. Addington typed a substitute signature line: “Alberto R. Gonzales.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What Addington wrote for Bush that day was more transcendent than that. He drew up new language in which the president relied on his own authority to certify the program as lawful. Bush expressly overrode the Justice Department and any act of Congress or judicial decision that purported to constrain his power as commander in chief.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are they going to throw Addington off the bus”</p>
<p>“It has been widely reported that Bush executed the March 11 order with a blank space over the attorney general’s signature line. That is not correct [15]. For reasons both symbolic and practical, the vice president’s lawyer could not tolerate an empty spot where a mutinous subordinate should have signed. Addington typed a substitute signature line: “Alberto R. Gonzales.”</p>
<p>What Addington wrote for Bush that day was more transcendent than that. He drew up new language in which the president relied on his own authority to certify the program as lawful. Bush expressly overrode the Justice Department and any act of Congress or judicial decision that purported to constrain his power as commander in chief.”</p>
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		<title>By: WilliamOckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>WilliamOckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Regarding Rice, she’s trying to protect State and blame it all on Justice and CIA. Typical D.C. blame game, but Levin may be able to get closer to the truth if he plays the wedge properly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Rice, she’s trying to protect State and blame it all on Justice and CIA. Typical D.C. blame game, but Levin may be able to get closer to the truth if he plays the wedge properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Random comments not likely to further anything:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1.  I wonder how things went from this program so closely held that supposedly Townsend knew nothing about it and supposedly Goldsmith didn’t even get an ok to discuss the program with Comey OR Ashcroft at first, to one where Mueller and Ayres and Philbin and Olson and McCallum etc. were all in the loop.  It would be nice if more info on the ok for the review and those in the loop was available.  It seems Baker had to have been in the loop too bc of his interactions with the FISCt judges.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2.  Another interesting date to have would be the dates of the contact from Kollar-Kotelly to Ashcroft drawing lines in the sand over the DOJ breaches of FISct firewalls.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3.  One of the things that has popped up in the last few days, but was buried by a lot, is that for some reason &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-interrogate25-2008sep25,0,7213775.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rice decided to respond &lt;/a&gt;to questions from Senate Armed Services investigators.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obviously, the only reason she would bother is to promote some kind of a self-serving or Bush-serving agenda, since, as the story reveals:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The committee submitted similar questionnaires to other Bush administration officials. But Levin said that they declined or refused to respond.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and nothing is going to happen to any of them for staying hush.  So on a first blush, it seems the only reason Rice responded is that she wanted to counter the Ashcroft theme that he was just an unaware, unadvised, innocent guy who knew nuthin bout no torture, with all the torture cooked up solely by Addington and Yoo and sans participation of the AG&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Rice did not disclose who at the meetings, but said that she had “asked Atty. Gen. [John] Ashcroft personally to review and confirm the legal advice” being prepared by the Department of Justice on the CIA’s interrogation plans.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That seems to be the whole thrust of why she answered, to say that yes, the “not-torture depravity” was tea and scones conversation at the meetings and that Ashcroft directly ok’d it all.  I’m guessing no one bothered to get specifics on el-Masri and Arar from her. Or a young detainee frozen to death.  Or even missing children - or for that matter, what State is doing now about the 11 yo US child disappeared by the Afghan govt.  Dem investigations have all the interest and suspense of watching One Question [no]Jeopardy. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4.  Interesting that when Ashcroft was in the hospital, for once his David wasn’t tied up in an Abramoff skybox or &lt;a href=&quot;http://harpers.org/archive/2008/09/hbc-90003574&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chit-chatting with Kevin Ring&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;5.   I’d also still like to have someone find out if McNulty ever took back the delegation on the Plame investigation after Comey left.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;6.  Meanwhile at GITMO, it’s still only JAG officers who seem to be interested in the law, non-destruction of evidence, rules of conduct, ethics, and even just your basic morality and evidence.  Showing just how stupid I am, bc 7 1/2 years ago, I would never have guessed that all of the thousands of civilian lawyers at DOJ would be worse than useless, while guys in a direct chain of command and subject to military strictures and all kinds of unprotected retaliation would have been the ones to dig in.  I have to admit that it’s just almost too hard to not be able to have any heroes, so thank God for them. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;7.  Yes, I did have a Mr. Bubbles t-shirt myself, once upon a time.  Wish I could find it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random comments not likely to further anything:</p>
<p>1.  I wonder how things went from this program so closely held that supposedly Townsend knew nothing about it and supposedly Goldsmith didn’t even get an ok to discuss the program with Comey OR Ashcroft at first, to one where Mueller and Ayres and Philbin and Olson and McCallum etc. were all in the loop.  It would be nice if more info on the ok for the review and those in the loop was available.  It seems Baker had to have been in the loop too bc of his interactions with the FISCt judges.</p>
<p>2.  Another interesting date to have would be the dates of the contact from Kollar-Kotelly to Ashcroft drawing lines in the sand over the DOJ breaches of FISct firewalls.  </p>
<p>3.  One of the things that has popped up in the last few days, but was buried by a lot, is that for some reason <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-interrogate25-2008sep25,0,7213775.story" rel="nofollow">Rice decided to respond </a>to questions from Senate Armed Services investigators.  </p>
<p>Obviously, the only reason she would bother is to promote some kind of a self-serving or Bush-serving agenda, since, as the story reveals:</p>
<blockquote><p>The committee submitted similar questionnaires to other Bush administration officials. But Levin said that they declined or refused to respond.</p>
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<p>and nothing is going to happen to any of them for staying hush.  So on a first blush, it seems the only reason Rice responded is that she wanted to counter the Ashcroft theme that he was just an unaware, unadvised, innocent guy who knew nuthin bout no torture, with all the torture cooked up solely by Addington and Yoo and sans participation of the AG</p>
<blockquote><p>Rice did not disclose who at the meetings, but said that she had “asked Atty. Gen. [John] Ashcroft personally to review and confirm the legal advice” being prepared by the Department of Justice on the CIA’s interrogation plans.</p>
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<p>That seems to be the whole thrust of why she answered, to say that yes, the “not-torture depravity” was tea and scones conversation at the meetings and that Ashcroft directly ok’d it all.  I’m guessing no one bothered to get specifics on el-Masri and Arar from her. Or a young detainee frozen to death.  Or even missing children &#8211; or for that matter, what State is doing now about the 11 yo US child disappeared by the Afghan govt.  Dem investigations have all the interest and suspense of watching One Question [no]Jeopardy. </p>
<p>4.  Interesting that when Ashcroft was in the hospital, for once his David wasn’t tied up in an Abramoff skybox or <a href="http://harpers.org/archive/2008/09/hbc-90003574" rel="nofollow">chit-chatting with Kevin Ring</a>.</p>
<p>5.   I’d also still like to have someone find out if McNulty ever took back the delegation on the Plame investigation after Comey left.  </p>
<p>6.  Meanwhile at GITMO, it’s still only JAG officers who seem to be interested in the law, non-destruction of evidence, rules of conduct, ethics, and even just your basic morality and evidence.  Showing just how stupid I am, bc 7 1/2 years ago, I would never have guessed that all of the thousands of civilian lawyers at DOJ would be worse than useless, while guys in a direct chain of command and subject to military strictures and all kinds of unprotected retaliation would have been the ones to dig in.  I have to admit that it’s just almost too hard to not be able to have any heroes, so thank God for them. </p>
<p>7.  Yes, I did have a Mr. Bubbles t-shirt myself, once upon a time.  Wish I could find it.</p>
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		<title>By: JimWhite</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimWhite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yep, so that means they ambushed him around 40 hours after major surgery.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, so that means they ambushed him around 40 hours after major surgery.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;NEW POST ALERT&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gonzo Sings! Justice In The Department At Last?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NEW POST ALERT</p>
<p><a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/" rel="nofollow">Gonzo Sings! Justice In The Department At Last?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;20 - TPM has a piece up referencing Iglesias on that as well.  I’m at the point where anything that comes from this now&amp;future DOJ is just a bunch of words on paper. I’ve come to the sad conclusion that there’s not enough respect for anything but their combined criminal endeavors at DOJ, for the IG or any of the components at DOJ to generate anything worthwhile.  It’s like wearing a Mr. Bubble t-shirt instead of actually taking a bath.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20 &#8211; TPM has a piece up referencing Iglesias on that as well.  I’m at the point where anything that comes from this now&amp;future DOJ is just a bunch of words on paper. I’ve come to the sad conclusion that there’s not enough respect for anything but their combined criminal endeavors at DOJ, for the IG or any of the components at DOJ to generate anything worthwhile.  It’s like wearing a Mr. Bubble t-shirt instead of actually taking a bath.</p>
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		<title>By: WilliamOckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>WilliamOckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT: Scott Horton &lt;a href=&quot;http://harpers.org/archive/2008/09/hbc-90003620&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;says&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The joint Inspector General/Office of Professional Responsibility report looking into the December 6, 2006 decision to fire a group of U.S. Attorneys is set to be released on Monday morning, according to sources inside and close to the Justice Department.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT: Scott Horton <a href="http://harpers.org/archive/2008/09/hbc-90003620" rel="nofollow">says</a>:</p>
<p>The joint Inspector General/Office of Professional Responsibility report looking into the December 6, 2006 decision to fire a group of U.S. Attorneys is set to be released on Monday morning, according to sources inside and close to the Justice Department.</p>
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		<title>By: BayStateLibrul</title>
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		<dc:creator>BayStateLibrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Breaking news from TPM… report to be released on Monday?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/doj_report_on_us_attorney_firi.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi.....y_firi.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breaking news from TPM… report to be released on Monday?</p>
<p><a href="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/doj_report_on_us_attorney_firi.php" rel="nofollow">http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi&#8230;..y_firi.php</a></p>
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