Comments on: Gonzo Sings! Justice In The Department At Last? http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: bluebutterfly http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-102043 bluebutterfly Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:44:59 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-102043 <p>I saw at TPM Muckraker that the long awaited report on the Attorney firings is due out of Monday.</p> <p>I wonder how Gonzo feels about that?</p> I saw at TPM Muckraker that the long awaited report on the Attorney firings is due out of Monday.

I wonder how Gonzo feels about that?

]]> By: Synoia http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101977 Synoia Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:45:13 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101977 <p>“The clearer it is that Gonzales did what he did at the behest of the president of the United States, the safer that he [Gonzales] is legally,” </p> <p>Isn’t this the “I was just follwing orders, gassing the jews” defence that was invalidated at nuremburg?</p> “The clearer it is that Gonzales did what he did at the behest of the president of the United States, the safer that he [Gonzales] is legally,”

Isn’t this the “I was just follwing orders, gassing the jews” defence that was invalidated at nuremburg?

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101972 bmaz Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:17:53 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101972 <p>Well, a dandy idea; however be advised that the statute of limitations will expire March 9, 2009. The program was well under way prior to then. With each passing day, the statute expires on substantial overt criminal acts. Even to render an indictment by March 9, 2009, you better get cranking. Since what the discussion in the post contemplated (although there may be other avenues; this is probably the most likely) requires consideration by Congress as the only vehicle for forcing a criminal referral, if you wait for the next administration and Congress, you will not even get Congressional hearings, much less a resulting criminal referral by March 9, 2009. </p> <p>The softest whitest underbelly open for prosecutorial attack on the Bush Administration on the wiretapping is the brief period where the program was operating naked on only Gonzales’ signature after the hospital scene. You severely damage the strength of the prosecutorial case if you cannot charge overtly on this time period.</p> <p>Time is a wasting. No delay to wait for the elusive “better team”, keep fighting aggressively.</p> Well, a dandy idea; however be advised that the statute of limitations will expire March 9, 2009. The program was well under way prior to then. With each passing day, the statute expires on substantial overt criminal acts. Even to render an indictment by March 9, 2009, you better get cranking. Since what the discussion in the post contemplated (although there may be other avenues; this is probably the most likely) requires consideration by Congress as the only vehicle for forcing a criminal referral, if you wait for the next administration and Congress, you will not even get Congressional hearings, much less a resulting criminal referral by March 9, 2009.

The softest whitest underbelly open for prosecutorial attack on the Bush Administration on the wiretapping is the brief period where the program was operating naked on only Gonzales’ signature after the hospital scene. You severely damage the strength of the prosecutorial case if you cannot charge overtly on this time period.

Time is a wasting. No delay to wait for the elusive “better team”, keep fighting aggressively.

]]> By: Mary http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101958 Mary Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:42:28 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101958 <p>27 - Unfortunately, I think things will get buried with Obama as well as they would with McCain (no pallbearers, just diggers).</p> <p>Laura Rozen has a <a href="http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/008113.html" rel="nofollow">piece up at warandpiece </a>that links to a piece she has at Mother Jones too. From those, she mentions the Obama campaign intelligence working group, led by Rand Beers:</p> <blockquote><p>Among them: Former CIA deputy director John McLaughlin, former senior CIA operations officers Art Brown and Jack DeVine, retired Ltn. Gen. Claudia Kennedy, retired Ltn. Gen. and former head of the Defense Human Intelligence Service Donald Kerrick, former CIA lawyer and special advisor to the CIA director Kenneth Levitt, former CIA general counsel Jeff Smith, former CIA Near East division chief Robert Richer, and former CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson. Former CIA lawyer and Clinton-era NSC official Mary McCarthy has stepped back from her previous role … </p></blockquote> <p>So among others, you have Tenet’s sidekick and multiple CIA lawyers, including a Clinton era (aka rendition to torture starts ear) CIA lawyer and NSC offical. </p> <p>This is a crew who are going to be promoting accountability for illegal programs that directly and/or indirectly invovled the CIA? I don’t think so.</p> <p>And I can’t figure out now where I read this today, but I’m almost positive I saw was something that referenced the torture renditions and, like a lot of others, mentions Scheuer and Clinton, but unlike anything else I have seen mentioned that Congressional committees were briefed on the Clinton era renditions to torture. If that’s the case, then it really puts blood in the water for the Dems and Obama isn’t the kind of guy to dive into the bloodied water with the barracudas to rescue the carcass.</p> 27 – Unfortunately, I think things will get buried with Obama as well as they would with McCain (no pallbearers, just diggers).

Laura Rozen has a piece up at warandpiece that links to a piece she has at Mother Jones too. From those, she mentions the Obama campaign intelligence working group, led by Rand Beers:

Among them: Former CIA deputy director John McLaughlin, former senior CIA operations officers Art Brown and Jack DeVine, retired Ltn. Gen. Claudia Kennedy, retired Ltn. Gen. and former head of the Defense Human Intelligence Service Donald Kerrick, former CIA lawyer and special advisor to the CIA director Kenneth Levitt, former CIA general counsel Jeff Smith, former CIA Near East division chief Robert Richer, and former CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson. Former CIA lawyer and Clinton-era NSC official Mary McCarthy has stepped back from her previous role …

So among others, you have Tenet’s sidekick and multiple CIA lawyers, including a Clinton era (aka rendition to torture starts ear) CIA lawyer and NSC offical.

This is a crew who are going to be promoting accountability for illegal programs that directly and/or indirectly invovled the CIA? I don’t think so.

And I can’t figure out now where I read this today, but I’m almost positive I saw was something that referenced the torture renditions and, like a lot of others, mentions Scheuer and Clinton, but unlike anything else I have seen mentioned that Congressional committees were briefed on the Clinton era renditions to torture. If that’s the case, then it really puts blood in the water for the Dems and Obama isn’t the kind of guy to dive into the bloodied water with the barracudas to rescue the carcass.

]]> By: MadDog http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101956 MadDog Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:59:46 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101956 <p><a href="http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2008/09/vote-for-obamab.html" rel="nofollow">Pat Lang</a> <i>Gets It!</i>:</p> <blockquote><p><strong>Vote for Obama/Biden</strong></p> <p>The time has come when I should say that I wll vote for the Democratic Party ticket and urge others to do the same.</p> <p>Senator Obama is more to the left than I would like, but Senator McCain’s patently erratic character and bellicosity are more risk than I can vote for in the context of the present world situation. His discomfort with domestic issues adds to my conviction.</p> <p>I think Obama has the intellect and the character to be president.</p> <p>Sarah Palin? She does not know enough to be trusted with the presidency any tme soon.</p> <p>For what it is worth, I would like to see an Obama cabinet that includes Senator Hagel, probably at Defense. At the same time I think Obama would be wise to appoint Bill Clinton to be ambassador to the UN and Senator Clinton to the Supreme Court. pl</p></blockquote> Pat Lang Gets It!:

Vote for Obama/Biden

The time has come when I should say that I wll vote for the Democratic Party ticket and urge others to do the same.

Senator Obama is more to the left than I would like, but Senator McCain’s patently erratic character and bellicosity are more risk than I can vote for in the context of the present world situation. His discomfort with domestic issues adds to my conviction.

I think Obama has the intellect and the character to be president.

Sarah Palin? She does not know enough to be trusted with the presidency any tme soon.

For what it is worth, I would like to see an Obama cabinet that includes Senator Hagel, probably at Defense. At the same time I think Obama would be wise to appoint Bill Clinton to be ambassador to the UN and Senator Clinton to the Supreme Court. pl

]]> By: MadDog http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101955 MadDog Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:34:55 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101955 <blockquote><p>I have to say that in addition to not thinking Mukasey will do anything, I’m pretty much affirmatively hoping he doesn’t.</p></blockquote> <p>I also agree with this tack!</p> <p>My preference would be that the new incoming <i>Democratic</i> Administration, with a much improved Congressional Majority in both the House and Senate, take on this grave-digging task.</p> <p>Pallbearers not required!</p>

I have to say that in addition to not thinking Mukasey will do anything, I’m pretty much affirmatively hoping he doesn’t.

I also agree with this tack!

My preference would be that the new incoming Democratic Administration, with a much improved Congressional Majority in both the House and Senate, take on this grave-digging task.

Pallbearers not required!

]]> By: sojourner http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101954 sojourner Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:34:46 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101954 <p>I have learned that when Marcy Wheeler or Murray Waas are too quiet, something is coming down the pike… I think that there is just going to be all kinds of interesting news coming out over the next few weeks, don’t you?</p> I have learned that when Marcy Wheeler or Murray Waas are too quiet, something is coming down the pike… I think that there is just going to be all kinds of interesting news coming out over the next few weeks, don’t you?

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101952 Leen Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:23:12 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101952 <p>another topic that will be off limits tonight will be the Israeli Palestinian conflict. I would put money on that nothing substantive will be asked about that conflict. The I/P conflict will be the 800lb gorilla on the stage as it is in the MSM and the so called progressive blogosphere. Any one want to place a bet</p> <p>Just hoping that Lehrer mentions that 5 former Secretaries of State agree that there should be direct negotiations with Iran. I believe 4 of them believe that pre-conditions are not necessary, Kissenger being one of the 4</p> another topic that will be off limits tonight will be the Israeli Palestinian conflict. I would put money on that nothing substantive will be asked about that conflict. The I/P conflict will be the 800lb gorilla on the stage as it is in the MSM and the so called progressive blogosphere. Any one want to place a bet

Just hoping that Lehrer mentions that 5 former Secretaries of State agree that there should be direct negotiations with Iran. I believe 4 of them believe that pre-conditions are not necessary, Kissenger being one of the 4

]]> By: skdadl http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101951 skdadl Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:10:16 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101951 <p>That would be an interesting question for the debates: would an Obama / McCain presidency re-sign the Rome Statute and then submit it to the Senate for ratification? </p> <p>No one will ask that, though.</p> That would be an interesting question for the debates: would an Obama / McCain presidency re-sign the Rome Statute and then submit it to the Senate for ratification?

No one will ask that, though.

]]> By: freepatriot http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101950 freepatriot Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:57:25 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/26/gonzo-sings-justice-in-the-department-at-last/#comment-101950 <p>have we got enough to convict in the ICC ???</p> <p>if so, pardon away, asshole</p> <p>as our first obligation upon entering the ICC Community, President Barack Obama would be required to bring all war criminals to justice’ </p> <p>any law or immunity that precludes American Prosecution would empower the other nations to arrest and try any American war criminals on sight</p> <p>so bush’s cronies got a lesson in immunity coming up</p> <p>ain’t no immunity for crimes against humanity</p> <p>have a nice life …</p> have we got enough to convict in the ICC ???

if so, pardon away, asshole

as our first obligation upon entering the ICC Community, President Barack Obama would be required to bring all war criminals to justice’

any law or immunity that precludes American Prosecution would empower the other nations to arrest and try any American war criminals on sight

so bush’s cronies got a lesson in immunity coming up

ain’t no immunity for crimes against humanity

have a nice life …

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