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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s for sure.  But on Face the Nation I swear I heard Obama say that “Iran is developing a nuclear weapons program”  I am waiting for the transcript to come up at Face the Nation,   But I swear that he said this.  If it turns out to be accurate..what the fuck is Obama doing making inaccurate and dangerous statements like this?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is the latest from El Baradei on Iran.&lt;br /&gt;
Introductory Statement to the Board of Governors&lt;br /&gt;
by IAEA Director General Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Statements/2008/ebsp2008n007.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter.....8n007.html&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Implementation of Safeguards in the Islamic Republic of Iran&lt;br /&gt;
The Agency has been able to continue to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran. Regrettably, the Agency has not been able to make substantive progress on the alleged studies and associated questions relevant to possible military dimensions to Iran´s nuclear programme. These remain of serious concern.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Although Iran has acknowledged that some information in the relevant documentation, including names of individuals and organizations, is correct, it reiterated that all the documents are fabricated or forged. Iran has also declared that it has not performed any of the activities described in the alleged studies and reiterated its request to be provided with originals, or even copies, of the documentation. I call upon Member States which provided the Agency with documentation related to the alleged studies to authorize the Agency to share it with Iran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, as mentioned in the report which you have before you, Iran should clarify the extent to which information in the documentation is factually correct and where, as it asserts, such information may have been fabricated or relates to non nuclear purposes. In that context, Iran needs to give the Agency substantive information to support its statements and provide access to relevant documentation and individuals. Unless Iran provides such transparency, and implements the Additional Protocol, the Agency will not be able to provide credible assurances about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I note that the Agency has not detected the actual use of nuclear material in connection with the alleged studies, nor does it have information - apart from the uranium metal document - on the actual design or manufacture by Iran of nuclear material components of a nuclear weapon. Contrary to the decisions of the Security Council, Iran has not suspended its enrichment related activities. Although Iran has so far produced only limited quantities of low enriched uranium (LEU), this is still a cause for concern for the international community in the absence of full clarity about Iran´s past and present nuclear programme.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I reiterate that the Agency does not in any way seek to “pry” into Iran´s conventional or missile-related military activities. Our focus is clearly on nuclear material and activities. We need, however, to make use of all relevant information to be able to confirm that no nuclear material is being used for nuclear weapons purposes. I am confident that arrangements can be developed which enable the Agency to do its work while ensuring that Iran´s legitimate right to protect the confidentiality of sensitive information and activities is respected. I again urge Iran to show full transparency and to implement all measures required to build confidence in the exclusively peaceful nature of its nuclear programme at the earliest possible date.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is now six years since we began intensive work to clarify Iran´s nuclear activities. It is in everyone´s interest that we should reach full clarity as soon as possible.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Why no mention of the latest NIE report on Iran during the debates?  Of course Lehrer did not even come close to bringing up the Israeli Palestinian conflict.  This topic is still shut down, off limits…sssh&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s for sure.  But on Face the Nation I swear I heard Obama say that “Iran is developing a nuclear weapons program”  I am waiting for the transcript to come up at Face the Nation,   But I swear that he said this.  If it turns out to be accurate..what the fuck is Obama doing making inaccurate and dangerous statements like this?</p>
<p>Here is the latest from El Baradei on Iran.<br />
Introductory Statement to the Board of Governors<br />
by IAEA Director General Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei<br /><a href="http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Statements/2008/ebsp2008n007.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter&#8230;..8n007.html</a> </p>
<p>Implementation of Safeguards in the Islamic Republic of Iran<br />
The Agency has been able to continue to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran. Regrettably, the Agency has not been able to make substantive progress on the alleged studies and associated questions relevant to possible military dimensions to Iran´s nuclear programme. These remain of serious concern.</p>
<p>Although Iran has acknowledged that some information in the relevant documentation, including names of individuals and organizations, is correct, it reiterated that all the documents are fabricated or forged. Iran has also declared that it has not performed any of the activities described in the alleged studies and reiterated its request to be provided with originals, or even copies, of the documentation. I call upon Member States which provided the Agency with documentation related to the alleged studies to authorize the Agency to share it with Iran.</p>
<p>However, as mentioned in the report which you have before you, Iran should clarify the extent to which information in the documentation is factually correct and where, as it asserts, such information may have been fabricated or relates to non nuclear purposes. In that context, Iran needs to give the Agency substantive information to support its statements and provide access to relevant documentation and individuals. Unless Iran provides such transparency, and implements the Additional Protocol, the Agency will not be able to provide credible assurances about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran.</p>
<p>I note that the Agency has not detected the actual use of nuclear material in connection with the alleged studies, nor does it have information &#8211; apart from the uranium metal document &#8211; on the actual design or manufacture by Iran of nuclear material components of a nuclear weapon. Contrary to the decisions of the Security Council, Iran has not suspended its enrichment related activities. Although Iran has so far produced only limited quantities of low enriched uranium (LEU), this is still a cause for concern for the international community in the absence of full clarity about Iran´s past and present nuclear programme.</p>
<p>I reiterate that the Agency does not in any way seek to “pry” into Iran´s conventional or missile-related military activities. Our focus is clearly on nuclear material and activities. We need, however, to make use of all relevant information to be able to confirm that no nuclear material is being used for nuclear weapons purposes. I am confident that arrangements can be developed which enable the Agency to do its work while ensuring that Iran´s legitimate right to protect the confidentiality of sensitive information and activities is respected. I again urge Iran to show full transparency and to implement all measures required to build confidence in the exclusively peaceful nature of its nuclear programme at the earliest possible date.</p>
<p>It is now six years since we began intensive work to clarify Iran´s nuclear activities. It is in everyone´s interest that we should reach full clarity as soon as possible.”</p>
<p> Why no mention of the latest NIE report on Iran during the debates?  Of course Lehrer did not even come close to bringing up the Israeli Palestinian conflict.  This topic is still shut down, off limits…sssh</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anyone else notice how Jim Lehrer allowed McCain to get away with repeating the inaccurate statement endlessly repeated by the Iraq warmongers the last four years about what the Iranian President Ahmadinejad allegedly said about Israel.  McCain repeated Iran wants to “wipe Israel off the map”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Prof Juan Cole and others called this out immediately when this false statement started to be repeated. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“vanish from the pages of time” is a far cry from “wiping Israel off the map”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why do those in control of the airwaves allow this to be endlessly repeated?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone else notice how Jim Lehrer allowed McCain to get away with repeating the inaccurate statement endlessly repeated by the Iraq warmongers the last four years about what the Iranian President Ahmadinejad allegedly said about Israel.  McCain repeated Iran wants to “wipe Israel off the map”.</p>
<p>Prof Juan Cole and others called this out immediately when this false statement started to be repeated. </p>
<p>“vanish from the pages of time” is a far cry from “wiping Israel off the map”</p>
<p>Why do those in control of the airwaves allow this to be endlessly repeated?</p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
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		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Twins win. Twins win. Twins win. Ok, today’s games aren’t over yet but as of now they’re up a half game&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cal Bears are having a down year. Tedford is still a miracle worker though &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, and the Vikings are going down tomorrow unless they find some offense from someone other than Adrian Peterson. Gus who? The game might wind up being 10-9&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gahhh&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Twins win. Twins win&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twins win. Twins win. Twins win. Ok, today’s games aren’t over yet but as of now they’re up a half game</p>
<p>Cal Bears are having a down year. Tedford is still a miracle worker though </p>
<p>Oh, and the Vikings are going down tomorrow unless they find some offense from someone other than Adrian Peterson. Gus who? The game might wind up being 10-9</p>
<p>Gahhh</p>
<p>Twins win. Twins win</p>
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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
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		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Looks like our Gators stayed up blogging too late last night!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like our Gators stayed up blogging too late last night!</p>
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		<title>By: JimWhite</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimWhite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ruh roh.  My Gators laid a turd.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruh roh.  My Gators laid a turd.</p>
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		<title>By: JimWhite</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimWhite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I watch it a lot less.  They lost me at steroids.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watch it a lot less.  They lost me at steroids.</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;let’s paint this place Dodger blue, what say ???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;not really, that was just a poke at some NL west teams&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;does anybody watch baseball anymore, or any less ???&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let’s paint this place Dodger blue, what say ???</p>
<p><em>not really, that was just a poke at some NL west teams</em></p>
<p>does anybody watch baseball anymore, or any less ???</p>
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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
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		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Now that perennial pretenders OSU and USC have been exposed as Great Pre-Season Chest Beaters, once again, the rest of US can begin to get down to some Power Football!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tenn - Auburn: This is just the kind of game Tuberville at Auburn has a knack for blowing, and Fulmer needs a Win to Keep his Job. Tennessee in an Upset on the Plains.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wisc - Michigan: Expect the Wolverines to put on the Lead Boots and stay a half-step behind the Badgers the whole game. Badgers maul the Skunk-Heads in the Big House.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Alabama - Georgia: Alabama is Hard To Beat, and the whispered secret in the SEC is that Georgia isn’t as good as they are made out to be. Alabama in an Upset Between the Hedges.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that perennial pretenders OSU and USC have been exposed as Great Pre-Season Chest Beaters, once again, the rest of US can begin to get down to some Power Football!</p>
<p>Tenn &#8211; Auburn: This is just the kind of game Tuberville at Auburn has a knack for blowing, and Fulmer needs a Win to Keep his Job. Tennessee in an Upset on the Plains.</p>
<p>Wisc &#8211; Michigan: Expect the Wolverines to put on the Lead Boots and stay a half-step behind the Badgers the whole game. Badgers maul the Skunk-Heads in the Big House.</p>
<p>Alabama &#8211; Georgia: Alabama is Hard To Beat, and the whispered secret in the SEC is that Georgia isn’t as good as they are made out to be. Alabama in an Upset Between the Hedges.</p>
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		<title>By: Quebecois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quebecois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi bmaz, very ot, but, Vettel’s win pretty much confirmed my fascination for his driving.  Pure talent.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi bmaz, very ot, but, Vettel’s win pretty much confirmed my fascination for his driving.  Pure talent.</p>
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		<title>By: JimWhite</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimWhite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, they’re both going down eventually.  The Gators will take care of Georgia.  Due to some extraordinary luck, I will be in Oklahoma for another reason and will be able to go to their game with Kansas.  I was a KU undergrad, so I’m going to go have a good time at the game and hope for a miracle.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s hard to believe USC already folded.  They’re way ahead of schedule this year.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, they’re both going down eventually.  The Gators will take care of Georgia.  Due to some extraordinary luck, I will be in Oklahoma for another reason and will be able to go to their game with Kansas.  I was a KU undergrad, so I’m going to go have a good time at the game and hope for a miracle.</p>
<p>It’s hard to believe USC already folded.  They’re way ahead of schedule this year.</p>
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