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		<title>By: alank</title>
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		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;the instruction from the China Banking Regulatory Commission (CBRC) applied to interbank lending of all currencies to U.S. banks &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;but not to banks from other countries.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This stealth caveat refers to the fact that it will be business as usual through other channels.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The U.S., e.g., blocks dollar payments to Syria banks, but that doesn’t prevent said payments from getting there by other routes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, the all-currencies order is a rather strong, sweeping statement of disapproval from China authorities.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>This stealth caveat refers to the fact that it will be business as usual through other channels.</p>
<p>The U.S., e.g., blocks dollar payments to Syria banks, but that doesn’t prevent said payments from getting there by other routes.</p>
<p>However, the all-currencies order is a rather strong, sweeping statement of disapproval from China authorities.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Debtors who are collecting interest are only interested in collecting that money. Once the principal is paid off their books no longer show that illusory “asset” represented by the future value of the principal plus interest. That’s why whenever there is a debt restructuring plan involving some third world country other than our own, the banks are perfectly happy to restructure the loan for a longer period of time as long as the debtor nation continues to make interest payments.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And for those who think inflation helps those on a fixed income, you’re wrong. Prices increase with inflation and the value of money is deflated. Using the current CPI multiplier that the govt uses to figure out social security payments, the amount of money SS recipients receive is much less than they would be receiving if the true rate of consumer inflation was posted instead of the one worked out by Greenspan back in the 80s when this whole stagecoach robbery began.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly!!</p>
<p>Debtors who are collecting interest are only interested in collecting that money. Once the principal is paid off their books no longer show that illusory “asset” represented by the future value of the principal plus interest. That’s why whenever there is a debt restructuring plan involving some third world country other than our own, the banks are perfectly happy to restructure the loan for a longer period of time as long as the debtor nation continues to make interest payments.</p>
<p>And for those who think inflation helps those on a fixed income, you’re wrong. Prices increase with inflation and the value of money is deflated. Using the current CPI multiplier that the govt uses to figure out social security payments, the amount of money SS recipients receive is much less than they would be receiving if the true rate of consumer inflation was posted instead of the one worked out by Greenspan back in the 80s when this whole stagecoach robbery began.</p>
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		<title>By: R.H. Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.H. Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Boschian staircase”. “Laying down the public’s only cloak…” You have a wonderful way with words.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Boschian staircase”. “Laying down the public’s only cloak…” You have a wonderful way with words.</p>
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		<title>By: R.H. Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.H. Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tim Leary’s dictum: turn on, tune in, drop out comes to mind. The “Turn on” part got most of the attention, but the tune in part was the most important. It was a “Naked Lunch” look at what exactly one’s life(and lifestyle) consists of. Then presumably one could opt to chuck a lot of what is irrelevant, and drop out. The reply from the homefront: “Oh no; don’t take off yer shoes. Spend. Buy. You can’t not want what’s on the shelves; it’s unpatriotic.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Leary’s dictum: turn on, tune in, drop out comes to mind. The “Turn on” part got most of the attention, but the tune in part was the most important. It was a “Naked Lunch” look at what exactly one’s life(and lifestyle) consists of. Then presumably one could opt to chuck a lot of what is irrelevant, and drop out. The reply from the homefront: “Oh no; don’t take off yer shoes. Spend. Buy. You can’t not want what’s on the shelves; it’s unpatriotic.”</p>
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		<title>By: behindthefall</title>
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		<dc:creator>behindthefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your validation.  Really.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Should have made more sense.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They started with an adjustable mortgage when they had one child.&lt;br /&gt;
They had a second child, and refinanced.&lt;br /&gt;
Then two years later another child… and when he was several months old, they were unable to refinance when their mortgage jumped $1,500 per month.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So they paid the mortgage for over four years, and refinanced at least once, which meant the bank/mortgage company got all the loan fees a second time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What a racket.&lt;br /&gt;
Amoral and socially destructive.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should have made more sense.</p>
<p>They started with an adjustable mortgage when they had one child.<br />
They had a second child, and refinanced.<br />
Then two years later another child… and when he was several months old, they were unable to refinance when their mortgage jumped $1,500 per month.  </p>
<p>So they paid the mortgage for over four years, and refinanced at least once, which meant the bank/mortgage company got all the loan fees a second time.</p>
<p>What a racket.<br />
Amoral and socially destructive.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;just incredible; a near-total disconnect from &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;life.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Precisely what I saw from home builders, mortgage bankers, realtors for a solid two decades.&lt;br /&gt;
It really wears you down.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At one point, it hit me that none of them had probably ever looked into a microscope, and they actually believed that ‘money’ can ‘grow’.  Bullshit. It compounds according to mathematical formulas, but that’s no different from a mechanical beast. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They are totally disconnected even from their own biology, nor did they pay enough attention to their own children’s development (except as baseball and soccer players!) to think clearly about the ways that communities have to accommodate the full range of human development, the way that ancient cities did — and that modern European cities do a good job of.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They are completely, utterly disconnected with the biological resources required to sustain even a family of five that doesn’t own a car.  They’re blindly foolish, and that’s why they are inadvertantly dangerous.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The higher-end, more ‘upscale’ architects and construction firms that are involved in ’sustainable development’ are way ahead of the curve; they’re &lt;em&gt;great&lt;/em&gt; people because they do pay attention to biology and human psychology.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>life.</p>
<p>Precisely what I saw from home builders, mortgage bankers, realtors for a solid two decades.<br />
It really wears you down.</p>
<p>At one point, it hit me that none of them had probably ever looked into a microscope, and they actually believed that ‘money’ can ‘grow’.  Bullshit. It compounds according to mathematical formulas, but that’s no different from a mechanical beast. </p>
<p>They are totally disconnected even from their own biology, nor did they pay enough attention to their own children’s development (except as baseball and soccer players!) to think clearly about the ways that communities have to accommodate the full range of human development, the way that ancient cities did — and that modern European cities do a good job of.</p>
<p>They are completely, utterly disconnected with the biological resources required to sustain even a family of five that doesn’t own a car.  They’re blindly foolish, and that’s why they are inadvertantly dangerous.</p>
<p>The higher-end, more ‘upscale’ architects and construction firms that are involved in ’sustainable development’ are way ahead of the curve; they’re <em>great</em> people because they do pay attention to biology and human psychology.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This financial debacle is so broad and deep, it is such a Grimpen Mire, with no safe path across, that no lender will lend to these Good Ol’ Boys: no bank, no foreign potentate.  But rather than come cap in hand and beg a handout from the poor box to save their million dollar bonuses, Wall Street decided to put on Cheney’s Stetson, and like Cleavon Little in Blazing Saddles, put a gun to its own throat and say to Congress, “Give me the money or your sheriff gets it!”.  Rather than guffaw or offer an witty retort like Jon Stewart, Congress, knowing it holds all the cards, is just laying them down.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Last night, the Deciderer decided the passive voice, devoid of agency or causation, was best when describing Wall Street’s excesses.  Its bloated compensation for selling aluminum siding in the form of financial paper; the Boschian staircase it’s built on the sand of aggressively sold mortgages, extended with reckless disregard for the borrower’s ability to pay; mortgages (like credit cards), designed to go into default so as to generate exorbitant fees and the need to refinance them, quickening the vicious circle.  The Deciderer was not so passive in blaming the poor choices of individual mortgage holders for becoming addicted to Wall Street’s financial crack.  It’s their fault.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr. Bush claimed awareness of how dicey mortgages are, and, hence, how the mass of debt obligations dependent on them are now uncreditworthy.  But the only assets he deemed worthy of Gubmint’s attention, of unprecedented government largesse, are those debt obligations and the balance sheets of the companies that created them out of some witches brew of greed, frogs’ toes and newts’ eyes.  Mr. Bush is really an incurable romantic; he’s laying down the public’s only cloak so that Queen Wall Street can walk across the puddle unscathed, unmuddied.     &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s clear, however, that any true fix must address the hundreds of thousands or millions of rapacious mortgages: for the creditworthy, rewriting them devoid of their most egregious terms, including cross-default clauses, prepayment penalties, etc.  For the uncreditworthy, of necessity, an individualized decision, it requires undoing them and moving householders back to the rental market.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Strengthening and accurately repricing the underlying mortgages is the mortar essential to keeping the brick wall of debt obligations from tumbling down under its own weight.  Bush’s proposal is to buy the debt and let “the market” do the rest.  That’s the surest way possible to saddle the public with the offal Wall Street’s butchers can’t sell to anyone else.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This financial debacle is so broad and deep, it is such a Grimpen Mire, with no safe path across, that no lender will lend to these Good Ol’ Boys: no bank, no foreign potentate.  But rather than come cap in hand and beg a handout from the poor box to save their million dollar bonuses, Wall Street decided to put on Cheney’s Stetson, and like Cleavon Little in Blazing Saddles, put a gun to its own throat and say to Congress, “Give me the money or your sheriff gets it!”.  Rather than guffaw or offer an witty retort like Jon Stewart, Congress, knowing it holds all the cards, is just laying them down.</p>
<p>Last night, the Deciderer decided the passive voice, devoid of agency or causation, was best when describing Wall Street’s excesses.  Its bloated compensation for selling aluminum siding in the form of financial paper; the Boschian staircase it’s built on the sand of aggressively sold mortgages, extended with reckless disregard for the borrower’s ability to pay; mortgages (like credit cards), designed to go into default so as to generate exorbitant fees and the need to refinance them, quickening the vicious circle.  The Deciderer was not so passive in blaming the poor choices of individual mortgage holders for becoming addicted to Wall Street’s financial crack.  It’s their fault.</p>
<p>Mr. Bush claimed awareness of how dicey mortgages are, and, hence, how the mass of debt obligations dependent on them are now uncreditworthy.  But the only assets he deemed worthy of Gubmint’s attention, of unprecedented government largesse, are those debt obligations and the balance sheets of the companies that created them out of some witches brew of greed, frogs’ toes and newts’ eyes.  Mr. Bush is really an incurable romantic; he’s laying down the public’s only cloak so that Queen Wall Street can walk across the puddle unscathed, unmuddied.     </p>
<p>It’s clear, however, that any true fix must address the hundreds of thousands or millions of rapacious mortgages: for the creditworthy, rewriting them devoid of their most egregious terms, including cross-default clauses, prepayment penalties, etc.  For the uncreditworthy, of necessity, an individualized decision, it requires undoing them and moving householders back to the rental market.  </p>
<p>Strengthening and accurately repricing the underlying mortgages is the mortar essential to keeping the brick wall of debt obligations from tumbling down under its own weight.  Bush’s proposal is to buy the debt and let “the market” do the rest.  That’s the surest way possible to saddle the public with the offal Wall Street’s butchers can’t sell to anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There’s a book that is on my ‘to read’ stack: “How Starbucks Saved My Life”.&lt;br /&gt;
Evidently, about a man who had tons of money, lost it, and ended up working at Starbucks being supervised by a young minority woman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People have not had to examine their beliefs, nor the consequences of their actions, for a long time. If there could be a golden lining to this mess, I’d hope for some really profound personal changes and more meaningful lives.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some of those Wall Streeters need to volunteer with Habitat for Humanity.&lt;br /&gt;
It might help them open their eyes a bit and see the world more richly and fully.&lt;br /&gt;
But then, my biases are showing…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s a book that is on my ‘to read’ stack: “How Starbucks Saved My Life”.<br />
Evidently, about a man who had tons of money, lost it, and ended up working at Starbucks being supervised by a young minority woman.</p>
<p>People have not had to examine their beliefs, nor the consequences of their actions, for a long time. If there could be a golden lining to this mess, I’d hope for some really profound personal changes and more meaningful lives.</p>
<p>Some of those Wall Streeters need to volunteer with Habitat for Humanity.<br />
It might help them open their eyes a bit and see the world more richly and fully.<br />
But then, my biases are showing…</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;They &lt;em&gt;haven’t produced a damn thing&lt;/em&gt;; all their cleverness has been expended in figuring out slyer ways to push the funds around.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You’re distilled it more succinctly than I managed to do!&lt;br /&gt;
Great synopsis.&lt;br /&gt;
Thx!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Although, they did produce biz cards, lovely brochures, a lot of bullshit, some Internet ads, and a lot of paper ‘assets’.  Mostly bullshit.  Mostly ego.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>You’re distilled it more succinctly than I managed to do!<br />
Great synopsis.<br />
Thx!</p>
<p>Although, they did produce biz cards, lovely brochures, a lot of bullshit, some Internet ads, and a lot of paper ‘assets’.  Mostly bullshit.  Mostly ego.</p>
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