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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/22/oh-that-kind-of-financial-incentive/comment-page-1/#comment-100929</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hm, not likely anyone is still feeding this thread, but this is an interesting graphic of the various bailouts over the last 30+ years:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.propublica.org/spec.....t-bailouts&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;take note; this lists 13 since 1970.  of those 13, only ONE occurred during a democratic administration (carter signed the bailout of chrysler).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the repugs whine about welfare….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hm, not likely anyone is still feeding this thread, but this is an interesting graphic of the various bailouts over the last 30+ years:<br /><a href="http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts" rel="nofollow">http://www.propublica.org/spec&#8230;..t-bailouts</a></p>
<p>take note; this lists 13 since 1970.  of those 13, only ONE occurred during a democratic administration (carter signed the bailout of chrysler).</p>
<p>the repugs whine about welfare….</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i’ve actually seen references to interviews with him (days ago; not sure i could find them), and i got the same impression.  if i’m not mistaken, he may have already said something about none of this looking good for her.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i’ve actually seen references to interviews with him (days ago; not sure i could find them), and i got the same impression.  if i’m not mistaken, he may have already said something about none of this looking good for her.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/22/oh-that-kind-of-financial-incentive/comment-page-1/#comment-100923</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“In this case, Gubmint can do the most good at the least cost by helping debtors keep their homes and families and the communities dependent on them whole by helping them refinance into manageable loans. Or by helping them get out from under mortgages and homes and back into the rental market with their families and credit intact and communities intact. That minimizes losses and their ripple effects across every town in America….”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you seem to channeling roubini here.  check this out:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=858667820&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=858667820&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;of course, the most obvious - and most moral - solution.  which is why we should never expect it from bush et al.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we all need to get on the horn and do our own lobbying of congress, demanding they do as frankprobst suggests and let wall street drown.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“In this case, Gubmint can do the most good at the least cost by helping debtors keep their homes and families and the communities dependent on them whole by helping them refinance into manageable loans. Or by helping them get out from under mortgages and homes and back into the rental market with their families and credit intact and communities intact. That minimizes losses and their ripple effects across every town in America….”</p>
<p>you seem to channeling roubini here.  check this out:<br /><a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=858667820" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=858667820</a></p>
<p>of course, the most obvious &#8211; and most moral &#8211; solution.  which is why we should never expect it from bush et al.</p>
<p>we all need to get on the horn and do our own lobbying of congress, demanding they do as frankprobst suggests and let wall street drown.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Am not quite sure where you have such knowledge of Branchflower from, but hope you are right.  However, in a civil matter, which this most certainly is, it is well established that the trier of fact is permitted to make negative inferences from refusal to testify (your 5th Amendment argument) so it is not even necessary to hint, he can flat out infer if he so wishes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am not quite sure where you have such knowledge of Branchflower from, but hope you are right.  However, in a civil matter, which this most certainly is, it is well established that the trier of fact is permitted to make negative inferences from refusal to testify (your 5th Amendment argument) so it is not even necessary to hint, he can flat out infer if he so wishes.</p>
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		<title>By: drinkof</title>
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		<dc:creator>drinkof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s important not to adopt the actions of the D.C. Democrats as a standard by which to judge Steve Branchflower, who appears to have a handle on how to manage this situation.  Branchflower appears to be savvy, and not easily intimidated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When stonewalled, he didn’t whine, didn’t bargain, didn’t cave and, most important, didn’t accept delay.  Like any good investigator, he recognizes that the investigative picture will always be somewhat incomplete.  He has simply taken note of the fact that x, y and z won’t be providing new testimony and moved on.  He appears to have taken note of line from the Stones, which might be the investigator’s creed: “You can’t always get what, but if you try sometime, you just might find, you get what you need.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Recall that the investigation was underway before McCain Inc took over; Branchflower no doubt has a great deal of information, probably plenty to make out a basic case of abuse of authority.  The smart investigator in this situation simply presents what he can dead solid prove or solidly infer.  He notes at each point that opportunity was presented to the target of the investigation to explain or provide context, and that, at each point and at their option, they refused.  The investigator can also do the old ‘I support the 5th Amendment’ thing, which is, of course, a backdoor way of pointing out that the investigating party is, in essence, ‘taking the 5th’ (call it refusal to honor a subpeona, tomato, tomahto).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course McCain et al will go nuts, characterize the investigation as a witchhunt, and (as hypocrisy is no barrier at all  to this crowd) complain bitterly that the findings don’t contain the defense or context (which, of course, they refused to provide).  Branchflower can and, I believe, will anticipate that, and be careful to mention at each point that Palin, staff or spouse wouldn’t provide testimony, documents or emails in their own defense.  He will, I bet, make a version of that statement in virtually every paragraph of his findings.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Properly configured, the report will be just as effective as if Palin and pals had testified.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s important not to adopt the actions of the D.C. Democrats as a standard by which to judge Steve Branchflower, who appears to have a handle on how to manage this situation.  Branchflower appears to be savvy, and not easily intimidated.</p>
<p>When stonewalled, he didn’t whine, didn’t bargain, didn’t cave and, most important, didn’t accept delay.  Like any good investigator, he recognizes that the investigative picture will always be somewhat incomplete.  He has simply taken note of the fact that x, y and z won’t be providing new testimony and moved on.  He appears to have taken note of line from the Stones, which might be the investigator’s creed: “You can’t always get what, but if you try sometime, you just might find, you get what you need.”</p>
<p>Recall that the investigation was underway before McCain Inc took over; Branchflower no doubt has a great deal of information, probably plenty to make out a basic case of abuse of authority.  The smart investigator in this situation simply presents what he can dead solid prove or solidly infer.  He notes at each point that opportunity was presented to the target of the investigation to explain or provide context, and that, at each point and at their option, they refused.  The investigator can also do the old ‘I support the 5th Amendment’ thing, which is, of course, a backdoor way of pointing out that the investigating party is, in essence, ‘taking the 5th’ (call it refusal to honor a subpeona, tomato, tomahto).</p>
<p>Of course McCain et al will go nuts, characterize the investigation as a witchhunt, and (as hypocrisy is no barrier at all  to this crowd) complain bitterly that the findings don’t contain the defense or context (which, of course, they refused to provide).  Branchflower can and, I believe, will anticipate that, and be careful to mention at each point that Palin, staff or spouse wouldn’t provide testimony, documents or emails in their own defense.  He will, I bet, make a version of that statement in virtually every paragraph of his findings.</p>
<p>Properly configured, the report will be just as effective as if Palin and pals had testified.</p>
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		<title>By: JEP07</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEP07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do the Alaska investigators plan on questioning anyone else?  Who needs the Palin gang, when there seem to be so many available players to set up the likely scenario under the right questioning…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let the Palins hang out in the wind while they stack up evidence.  Sounds like the story is juicy enough that the MSM will even cover it, despite the Palin gang’s conspicuous absence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I say, “Alaska,GO FOR IT!” start the investigation sans-Palins, to great public fanfare, and ceremonioulsy reveal the evidence for all the world to watch.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…can someone do a new Sarah Palin popularity poll in Alaska for us? …after about a week of her detractors lining up to spill the beans about her egregious “expreience” as both a mayor and Governor in Alaska.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She’s burned every bridge to nowhere she ever might have built, and stepped on more fingers than toes in her ambitious scramble to the top of the ladder, so there is no lack of detractors.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do the Alaska investigators plan on questioning anyone else?  Who needs the Palin gang, when there seem to be so many available players to set up the likely scenario under the right questioning…</p>
<p>Let the Palins hang out in the wind while they stack up evidence.  Sounds like the story is juicy enough that the MSM will even cover it, despite the Palin gang’s conspicuous absence.</p>
<p>I say, “Alaska,GO FOR IT!” start the investigation sans-Palins, to great public fanfare, and ceremonioulsy reveal the evidence for all the world to watch.  </p>
<p>…can someone do a new Sarah Palin popularity poll in Alaska for us? …after about a week of her detractors lining up to spill the beans about her egregious “expreience” as both a mayor and Governor in Alaska.</p>
<p>She’s burned every bridge to nowhere she ever might have built, and stepped on more fingers than toes in her ambitious scramble to the top of the ladder, so there is no lack of detractors.</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bingo!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo!</p>
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		<title>By: NorskeFlamethrower</title>
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		<dc:creator>NorskeFlamethrower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;1,773 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Citizen emptywheel and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This old lutefisk eater has been yellin’ at the top of his lungs that the Palin story is really all about the Alaskan Independence Party and the ownership of the sovereign state of Alaska by Exxon Mobil.  What we are seein’ in Palin’s elevation to the VP candidacy is the split between the old Republican Party elite (old eastern bankin money) and the corporate fascists (read oil money)who have taken complete control of the party since 1980.  Exxon owns the Alaska Independence Party and they used the Independence Party base ta run Palin against the old Republican machine after they bankrupted those same folks.  When Palin was elected they bought off the rest of the electorate with increased payoffs from the increase in the price of oil.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now the Alaska Independence Party is a krypto fascist bunch who are ideologically unAmerican and have more in common, ideologically, with the Old Confederacy or the Aryan Nation than with either the Republican or Democratic Party.  It’s right out there in the open folks, let’s keep our eyes on the target, Palin was chosen because she represents the fascist junta that has been runnin our country since 2000 and her history in office as mayor and governor are a libretto for the opera the fascists have in store for us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN’ AMMUNITION, THIS IS THE LAST BATTLE!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1,773 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…</p>
<p>Citizen emptywheel and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:</p>
<p>This old lutefisk eater has been yellin’ at the top of his lungs that the Palin story is really all about the Alaskan Independence Party and the ownership of the sovereign state of Alaska by Exxon Mobil.  What we are seein’ in Palin’s elevation to the VP candidacy is the split between the old Republican Party elite (old eastern bankin money) and the corporate fascists (read oil money)who have taken complete control of the party since 1980.  Exxon owns the Alaska Independence Party and they used the Independence Party base ta run Palin against the old Republican machine after they bankrupted those same folks.  When Palin was elected they bought off the rest of the electorate with increased payoffs from the increase in the price of oil.  </p>
<p>Now the Alaska Independence Party is a krypto fascist bunch who are ideologically unAmerican and have more in common, ideologically, with the Old Confederacy or the Aryan Nation than with either the Republican or Democratic Party.  It’s right out there in the open folks, let’s keep our eyes on the target, Palin was chosen because she represents the fascist junta that has been runnin our country since 2000 and her history in office as mayor and governor are a libretto for the opera the fascists have in store for us.</p>
<p>KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN’ AMMUNITION, THIS IS THE LAST BATTLE!!</p>
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		<title>By: Prairie Sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prairie Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Revising and adapting my previous edit of the McCain campaign theme:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Country First &gt; Crony First &gt; Cover-up First&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Revising and adapting my previous edit of the McCain campaign theme:</p>
<p>Country First &gt; Crony First &gt; Cover-up First</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&amp; bmaz,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think there’s no settlement yet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnbc.com/id/26836295&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cnbc.com/id/26836295&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&amp; bmaz,</p>
<p>I think there’s no settlement yet.<br /><a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/26836295" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnbc.com/id/26836295</a></p>
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