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	<title>Comments on: Robert Mueller Visits Senate Judiciary Committee</title>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/17/robert-mueller-visits-senate-judiciary-committee/#comment-100079</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;65 - that’s what I thought I heard her say - I don’t know if there’s a transcript.  She took issue with his description of members of Congress being fully briefed or some such statement he made, then she said that the full committee of Intel was not briefed until 2006, and then she gave prior dates for the Gang of 8 and Big 4 (IIRC that’s what she called them) briefings, but said that those were both not full and not to the full committees.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>65 &#8211; that’s what I thought I heard her say &#8211; I don’t know if there’s a transcript.  She took issue with his description of members of Congress being fully briefed or some such statement he made, then she said that the full committee of Intel was not briefed until 2006, and then she gave prior dates for the Gang of 8 and Big 4 (IIRC that’s what she called them) briefings, but said that those were both not full and not to the full committees.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/17/robert-mueller-visits-senate-judiciary-committee/#comment-100059</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I thought we all ready knew this.  That the F.B.I. had their balls tied up in  knots.  With the exception of Mueller being ready to resign with Comey.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought we all ready knew this.  That the F.B.I. had their balls tied up in  knots.  With the exception of Mueller being ready to resign with Comey.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I really don’t remember Feinstein saying that.  I thought she said that there were 4 individuals who were briefed.  And then there was a tussle as to whether Mueller had said briefing or “full” briefing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don’t remember Feinstein saying that.  I thought she said that there were 4 individuals who were briefed.  And then there was a tussle as to whether Mueller had said briefing or “full” briefing.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This might explain the odd reference in the Yoo memo that the US military had the right to conduct anti-terrorist operations within the US.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might explain the odd reference in the Yoo memo that the US military had the right to conduct anti-terrorist operations within the US.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/17/robert-mueller-visits-senate-judiciary-committee/#comment-100024</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Isn’t it interesting how THAT just happened to show up in the LA Times now?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Klynn’s head in hands shaking at the absurdity of it all…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn’t it interesting how THAT just happened to show up in the LA Times now?</p>
<p>Klynn’s head in hands shaking at the absurdity of it all…</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/17/robert-mueller-visits-senate-judiciary-committee/#comment-100023</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I sure hope that some constituents get around to asking DiFi, now that she said that she did get a full briefing in 2006 as a member of the intel committee, why she never got around to mentioning that the wiretap program was handled pursuant to MILITARY ORDER.  This still floor me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure hope that some constituents get around to asking DiFi, now that she said that she did get a full briefing in 2006 as a member of the intel committee, why she never got around to mentioning that the wiretap program was handled pursuant to MILITARY ORDER.  This still floor me.</p>
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		<title>By: JimWhite</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/17/robert-mueller-visits-senate-judiciary-committee/#comment-100022</link>
		<dc:creator>JimWhite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’d say every Senator on that committee, Republican and Democrat, better start the anthrax vaccine now.  Their families and staff should be included, also.  I’d probably throw in Cipro for the next few weeks, too.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Somebody knows they are starting to close in and to ask too many questions.  That leaves two options: ship them to Gitmo or spread a few more spores…   On the other hand, I wonder what other nasties these guys have in their arsenals?  They could easily keep up with the Russians and sprinkle a little polonium here and there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mukasey is now fully under their influence (or at least no longer pretending otherwise), but that doesn’t say who’s pulling the strings.  My money is still on FourthBranch and the buddies he left in DoD from his earlier gummint days.  Dang, I’ve fallen behind and still haven’t read my copy of “Biowarfare and Terrorism” by Francis Boyle.  It’s a short book; maybe tonight.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d say every Senator on that committee, Republican and Democrat, better start the anthrax vaccine now.  Their families and staff should be included, also.  I’d probably throw in Cipro for the next few weeks, too.  </p>
<p>Somebody knows they are starting to close in and to ask too many questions.  That leaves two options: ship them to Gitmo or spread a few more spores…   On the other hand, I wonder what other nasties these guys have in their arsenals?  They could easily keep up with the Russians and sprinkle a little polonium here and there.</p>
<p>Mukasey is now fully under their influence (or at least no longer pretending otherwise), but that doesn’t say who’s pulling the strings.  My money is still on FourthBranch and the buddies he left in DoD from his earlier gummint days.  Dang, I’ve fallen behind and still haven’t read my copy of “Biowarfare and Terrorism” by Francis Boyle.  It’s a short book; maybe tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not much asking of any of the obvious questions re: Gitmo and torture and disappearing people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No specific questions to Mueller about Cloonan and Coleman and whether or not he really wants to say, under oath, that he was truly clueless about concerns over torture until 2004.  Instead the give him the outs of when did he get a memo.  No questions about whether or not anyone ever mentioned to him a showdown where an FBI agent threatened to arrest a CIA operative.  No questions about how the legal rationale for “clean teams” and how you Pilatize the torture victims statements while continuing to hold those victims in a depraved situation where they can and will be abused on whim, with no oversight, at any time leading up to and after the “clean team” talks to them.  No discussion on who you “clean up” when the victims are probably nuts by now, after what was done to them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No quesions about investigations of who at DOJ was involved in the conspiracy to have Arar disappeared into Syrian torture.  No questions about whether Ashcroft and Thompson have war crimes act investigations pending on that one.  No follow up on what FBI agents were doing in Pakistani interviews which is where, if I heard correctly, Mueller said the “first” concerns on torture were being raised.  No questions about what info the FBI might have about disappeared Pakistani nationals, whose disappearance has created the judicial implosion in Pakistan.  No questions about whether or not the FBI has any knowledge of any kind of Siddiqui or her US citizen very young children ever being held and questioned in Pakistan.  No question on why her 11 yo US citizen son was not brought back with her from Afghanistan and was allowed to be disappeared by the Afghan govt.  Still no questions on any FBI knowledge of what happened to KSM’s disappeared children.  No questions on whether or not a file or investigation has been opened for the torture killing reported by Dana Priest, where a “young” detainee was left tied in a stress position to freeze to death.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just asking the questions puts the issue out there, even though he’ll do his waffle.  Not asking the questions —- is what Democrats do by and large.  I have a lot of respect for Leahy and Feingold, but giving two guys five minutes now and then won’t ever get anyone anywhere.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’ve abdicated on all the real questions and the hard questions.  It’s like watching the sequel to Stewart’s “Generic Off” from last night.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But at least we have Hatch’s assurances that, despite the fact that the US DOJ did disappear Padilla into military abuse for years, we can all rest assured that US citizens won’t be disappeared off the streets after we give MORE unchecked and unreviewed power to the FBI.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s really too frustrating to listen to all this and realize that the only choices out there are McCain and Obama, Biden and Palin, and the parties of Schumer and Lieberman - of Ben and Bill Nelson, of Rockefeller and Roberts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not much asking of any of the obvious questions re: Gitmo and torture and disappearing people.</p>
<p>No specific questions to Mueller about Cloonan and Coleman and whether or not he really wants to say, under oath, that he was truly clueless about concerns over torture until 2004.  Instead the give him the outs of when did he get a memo.  No questions about whether or not anyone ever mentioned to him a showdown where an FBI agent threatened to arrest a CIA operative.  No questions about how the legal rationale for “clean teams” and how you Pilatize the torture victims statements while continuing to hold those victims in a depraved situation where they can and will be abused on whim, with no oversight, at any time leading up to and after the “clean team” talks to them.  No discussion on who you “clean up” when the victims are probably nuts by now, after what was done to them.</p>
<p>No quesions about investigations of who at DOJ was involved in the conspiracy to have Arar disappeared into Syrian torture.  No questions about whether Ashcroft and Thompson have war crimes act investigations pending on that one.  No follow up on what FBI agents were doing in Pakistani interviews which is where, if I heard correctly, Mueller said the “first” concerns on torture were being raised.  No questions about what info the FBI might have about disappeared Pakistani nationals, whose disappearance has created the judicial implosion in Pakistan.  No questions about whether or not the FBI has any knowledge of any kind of Siddiqui or her US citizen very young children ever being held and questioned in Pakistan.  No question on why her 11 yo US citizen son was not brought back with her from Afghanistan and was allowed to be disappeared by the Afghan govt.  Still no questions on any FBI knowledge of what happened to KSM’s disappeared children.  No questions on whether or not a file or investigation has been opened for the torture killing reported by Dana Priest, where a “young” detainee was left tied in a stress position to freeze to death.</p>
<p>Just asking the questions puts the issue out there, even though he’ll do his waffle.  Not asking the questions —- is what Democrats do by and large.  I have a lot of respect for Leahy and Feingold, but giving two guys five minutes now and then won’t ever get anyone anywhere.  </p>
<p>We’ve abdicated on all the real questions and the hard questions.  It’s like watching the sequel to Stewart’s “Generic Off” from last night.  </p>
<p>But at least we have Hatch’s assurances that, despite the fact that the US DOJ did disappear Padilla into military abuse for years, we can all rest assured that US citizens won’t be disappeared off the streets after we give MORE unchecked and unreviewed power to the FBI.</p>
<p>It’s really too frustrating to listen to all this and realize that the only choices out there are McCain and Obama, Biden and Palin, and the parties of Schumer and Lieberman &#8211; of Ben and Bill Nelson, of Rockefeller and Roberts.</p>
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		<title>By: JClausen</title>
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		<dc:creator>JClausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mueller is nothing more than a eunuch, castrated by Mc Caskey and Cheney among others.” I’ll have to get back to you on that” He sounded as pathetic as Gonzales.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mueller is nothing more than a eunuch, castrated by Mc Caskey and Cheney among others.” I’ll have to get back to you on that” He sounded as pathetic as Gonzales.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, there was some substance to this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We know now that the FBI is useless to us as it is held completely and utterly hostage by the uppermost echelon of USDOJ.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Sen. Whitehouse made a point of telling the FBI, DOJ and us that he knows it, that the Senate Judiciary knows it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the FBI is further powerless to stop another anthrax attack on American citizens — particularly the ones in Congress with a “D” after their names — because of the uppermost echelon of USDOJ.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was chockfull of content.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, there was some substance to this.</p>
<p>We know now that the FBI is useless to us as it is held completely and utterly hostage by the uppermost echelon of USDOJ.</p>
<p>And Sen. Whitehouse made a point of telling the FBI, DOJ and us that he knows it, that the Senate Judiciary knows it.</p>
<p>And the FBI is further powerless to stop another anthrax attack on American citizens — particularly the ones in Congress with a “D” after their names — because of the uppermost echelon of USDOJ.</p>
<p>It was chockfull of content.</p>
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