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	<title>Comments on: Bush and Cheney Responsible for Five Suspected Terrorists Going Free</title>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
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		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m late to this thread — but so, it would appear, are the whole of the msm on two continents. What would we do without you, EW? And thanks also to scribe for that added context. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s maddening sometimes — it is so clear what they have done; it is known and published what they have done; and yet so few will bother to look.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m late to this thread — but so, it would appear, are the whole of the msm on two continents. What would we do without you, EW? And thanks also to scribe for that added context. </p>
<p>It’s maddening sometimes — it is so clear what they have done; it is known and published what they have done; and yet so few will bother to look.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What bothers me is that your last line can never be mentioned in the media:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    The GWOT for them is one rolling press conference, not a serious pursuit to be conducted as if the outcome–and not the media buzz–mattered.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nobody besides Olbermann is willing to say that, even though (or because) it is blindingly obvious.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And today I’ve read he and Chris Matthews are being demoted because they’re too Liberal. Apparently McCain didn’t want them talkin’ bout him after a debate or, worse yet, being part of a debate. So, they pressured GE which told MSNBC to get with the Republican plan. To Hell with the stockholders and the fact Olbermann &amp; Matthews doubled…DOUBLED…viewership.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>What bothers me is that your last line can never be mentioned in the media:</p>
<p>    The GWOT for them is one rolling press conference, not a serious pursuit to be conducted as if the outcome–and not the media buzz–mattered.</p>
<p>Nobody besides Olbermann is willing to say that, even though (or because) it is blindingly obvious.
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<p>And today I’ve read he and Chris Matthews are being demoted because they’re too Liberal. Apparently McCain didn’t want them talkin’ bout him after a debate or, worse yet, being part of a debate. So, they pressured GE which told MSNBC to get with the Republican plan. To Hell with the stockholders and the fact Olbermann &amp; Matthews doubled…DOUBLED…viewership.</p>
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		<title>By: Synoia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Synoia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;He’s got great numbers. The advertisers like him.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He’s got great numbers. The advertisers like him.</p>
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		<title>By: Synoia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Synoia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The British model is, after all, to be patient, gather sufficient evidence to try terror suspects in open court, and get long prison terms, treating it all as a criminal matter rather than a historic–and terrorist-glamorizing–clash of power and ideology.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, The British had a lot of experience catching IRA terrorists, funded by money from the US.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe the British should have invaded again. Looks like the US could do with some more lessons in parliamentary governance. (Vote of no confidence, question time, for a start).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The British model is, after all, to be patient, gather sufficient evidence to try terror suspects in open court, and get long prison terms, treating it all as a criminal matter rather than a historic–and terrorist-glamorizing–clash of power and ideology.</p>
<p>Yes, The British had a lot of experience catching IRA terrorists, funded by money from the US.</p>
<p>Maybe the British should have invaded again. Looks like the US could do with some more lessons in parliamentary governance. (Vote of no confidence, question time, for a start).</p>
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		<title>By: MadDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nobody besides Olbermann is willing to say that, even though (or because) it is blindingly obvious.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nobody besides Olbermann &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;was&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; willing to say that…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While I hope it’s not the case, I wonder if KO will be less pointed, demonstrative, even &lt;i&gt;truthful&lt;/i&gt; now that the great big GE &lt;i&gt;War Machine&lt;/i&gt; has gelded him.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Nobody besides Olbermann is willing to say that, even though (or because) it is blindingly obvious.</p>
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<p>Nobody besides Olbermann <i><b>was</b></i> willing to say that…</p>
<p>While I hope it’s not the case, I wonder if KO will be less pointed, demonstrative, even <i>truthful</i> now that the great big GE <i>War Machine</i> has gelded him.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I should add that “the rule of law” is anathema to CheneyBush.  Judiciously, fairly applied, it opposes unequal treatment and special interests and just treatment.  They oppose it as any bidnessman opposes increasing competition, because it adds uncertainty to their dealings and the threat of liability for wrongful conduct.  So trashing the law, and government as the law’s enforcer, is a good thing.  Police action in Minneapolis?  That’s not law.  That’s a dictator’s order.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that “the rule of law” is anathema to CheneyBush.  Judiciously, fairly applied, it opposes unequal treatment and special interests and just treatment.  They oppose it as any bidnessman opposes increasing competition, because it adds uncertainty to their dealings and the threat of liability for wrongful conduct.  So trashing the law, and government as the law’s enforcer, is a good thing.  Police action in Minneapolis?  That’s not law.  That’s a dictator’s order.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The law and the rule of law are also important only as media buzz, a code word to the Base that the law is only on “your” (neocon) side, or as a stick with which to beat political rivals, or as an impediment like a one-way street sign that CheneyBush ignore.  That the sign reflects reality and is a warning to those that ignore it, matters not to them.  It does matter to those still living in the real world.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The law and the rule of law are also important only as media buzz, a code word to the Base that the law is only on “your” (neocon) side, or as a stick with which to beat political rivals, or as an impediment like a one-way street sign that CheneyBush ignore.  That the sign reflects reality and is a warning to those that ignore it, matters not to them.  It does matter to those still living in the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: scribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>scribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What you’re forgetting, EW, is the timing of the thing.  The quote you cite states:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bush gets this briefing at the end of July of 2006, and he’s very agitated. When Blair comes at the end of the month, they talk about it and he says, “Look, I want this thing, this trap snapped shut immediately.” Blair’s like, “Well, look, be patient here. What we do in Britain” … &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, Bush doesn’t get the answer he wants, which is “snap the trap shut.” And the reason he wants that is because he’s getting all sorts of pressure from Republicans in Congress that his ratings are down. These are the worst ratings for a sitting president at this point in his second term, and they’re just wild-eyed about the coming midterm elections.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lest we forget, the disclosure of the plot came on &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_transatlantic_aircraft_plot&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thursday, August 10, 2006&lt;/a&gt;.  This, after the arrests came on Wednesday, August 9, 2006.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The big news on August 9, 2006, was the insurgent victory of Ned Lamont in the Connecticut Senatorial Primary on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, over the incumbent, neoconservative and former VP Candidate Joe Lie-berman.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, the reason I remember this sequence of events is because I was on a vacation at a remote (but not without satellite TV for the staff) fishing lodge. Thursday, the old guy who kinda ran the place busted into breakfast fresh from watching Fox, screaming that World War III was on and all these brown people were gonna blow everyone up.  I told him, loudly, to STFU because I go on these vacations to get away from that kind of sh*t and paid him good money for that quiet, then turned to my companions and remarked that “I guess Lamont won the Connecticut primary.”  This story knocked Lamont right off the TV screens, as everyone had to dump their water before getting on the plane or, now, going into just about any place.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lest we forget (and Jane surely will remind you if I don’t), Rove was both in (touch with) the WH at that time frame and had shipped busloads of Young Republicans into Connecticut to approximate a ground game for Lie-berman.  It’s not much of a stretch, given his known propensity for mixing governmental operations with politics, that he and Bushie were of one mind on needing some big terrist thingy to help their boy Lie-berman and try to stave off the coming fall ‘06 debacle.  That’s the pressure - not what the quote says.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you’re forgetting, EW, is the timing of the thing.  The quote you cite states:</p>
<blockquote><p>Bush gets this briefing at the end of July of 2006, and he’s very agitated. When Blair comes at the end of the month, they talk about it and he says, “Look, I want this thing, this trap snapped shut immediately.” Blair’s like, “Well, look, be patient here. What we do in Britain” … </p>
<p>Well, Bush doesn’t get the answer he wants, which is “snap the trap shut.” And the reason he wants that is because he’s getting all sorts of pressure from Republicans in Congress that his ratings are down. These are the worst ratings for a sitting president at this point in his second term, and they’re just wild-eyed about the coming midterm elections.</p>
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<p>Lest we forget, the disclosure of the plot came on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_transatlantic_aircraft_plot" rel="nofollow">Thursday, August 10, 2006</a>.  This, after the arrests came on Wednesday, August 9, 2006.</p>
<p>The big news on August 9, 2006, was the insurgent victory of Ned Lamont in the Connecticut Senatorial Primary on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, over the incumbent, neoconservative and former VP Candidate Joe Lie-berman.  </p>
<p>And, the reason I remember this sequence of events is because I was on a vacation at a remote (but not without satellite TV for the staff) fishing lodge. Thursday, the old guy who kinda ran the place busted into breakfast fresh from watching Fox, screaming that World War III was on and all these brown people were gonna blow everyone up.  I told him, loudly, to STFU because I go on these vacations to get away from that kind of sh*t and paid him good money for that quiet, then turned to my companions and remarked that “I guess Lamont won the Connecticut primary.”  This story knocked Lamont right off the TV screens, as everyone had to dump their water before getting on the plane or, now, going into just about any place.</p>
<p>Lest we forget (and Jane surely will remind you if I don’t), Rove was both in (touch with) the WH at that time frame and had shipped busloads of Young Republicans into Connecticut to approximate a ground game for Lie-berman.  It’s not much of a stretch, given his known propensity for mixing governmental operations with politics, that he and Bushie were of one mind on needing some big terrist thingy to help their boy Lie-berman and try to stave off the coming fall ‘06 debacle.  That’s the pressure &#8211; not what the quote says.</p>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
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		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you, EW.  You are truly an exceptionally talented journalist!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, EW.  You are truly an exceptionally talented journalist!</p>
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		<title>By: BoxTurtle</title>
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		<dc:creator>BoxTurtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, if you DON’T count Palin, the recent attempt to bomb al-zawahiri, and the war in Georgia I’d say all they’ve got left is hitting Iran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Boxturtle (or letting Israel do it)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you DON’T count Palin, the recent attempt to bomb al-zawahiri, and the war in Georgia I’d say all they’ve got left is hitting Iran.</p>
<p>Boxturtle (or letting Israel do it)</p>
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