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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/05/troopergate-investigation-timing/comment-page-1/#comment-98116</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seems like they are following the Bush administrations lead.  Ignore request to testify and then play out the ignoring the subpoena process.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;String it out until after the election or until it goes away.  What “mavericks”&gt;  Ignore the law&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like they are following the Bush administrations lead.  Ignore request to testify and then play out the ignoring the subpoena process.</p>
<p>String it out until after the election or until it goes away.  What “mavericks”&gt;  Ignore the law</p>
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		<title>By: wavpeac</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/05/troopergate-investigation-timing/comment-page-1/#comment-98080</link>
		<dc:creator>wavpeac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We are addicted to money and power. People love the image. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Hillary would have embraced her power she might have been more successful. The same with the dems. They just don’t get it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is something in the American psych that loves the bully. We idolize the bully. We give the bully power. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, the dems don’t have to be a bully, but they do have to learn the dialectic of power.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are postives and negatives. They need to learn the power in of “in your face”, “standing still” and “lunging toward”. And in each position is a power. The dems rhythym is often off on this one. As a therapist it’s like a mental jujitso. Knowing when to lunge, when to stand firm and when to back off. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The republicans know this rhythym well. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We need to learn&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wish Obama had hit back a lot harder…lunged over community organizers. Loudly. It would have dissembled the power in that message. Instead he lunged a little, which is NO lunge at all. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wish Biden had stated less tentativly his desire to hold accountable the bush administration. Louder please. NO fear. Lunge.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Aw crap…I am going outside to play volley ball with my daughter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are addicted to money and power. People love the image. </p>
<p>If Hillary would have embraced her power she might have been more successful. The same with the dems. They just don’t get it. </p>
<p>There is something in the American psych that loves the bully. We idolize the bully. We give the bully power. </p>
<p>Now, the dems don’t have to be a bully, but they do have to learn the dialectic of power.</p>
<p>There are postives and negatives. They need to learn the power in of “in your face”, “standing still” and “lunging toward”. And in each position is a power. The dems rhythym is often off on this one. As a therapist it’s like a mental jujitso. Knowing when to lunge, when to stand firm and when to back off. </p>
<p>The republicans know this rhythym well. </p>
<p>We need to learn</p>
<p>I wish Obama had hit back a lot harder…lunged over community organizers. Loudly. It would have dissembled the power in that message. Instead he lunged a little, which is NO lunge at all. </p>
<p>I wish Biden had stated less tentativly his desire to hold accountable the bush administration. Louder please. NO fear. Lunge.</p>
<p>Aw crap…I am going outside to play volley ball with my daughter.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/05/troopergate-investigation-timing/comment-page-1/#comment-98045</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Observations from one who spent both convention weeks joyously far from any TV set or web browser: I agree with the folks who are seeing that the R’s can now feel that they cannot win this election.  From the newspaper coverage the truncated, quickly retooled, and “de-politicized” RNC show read as a party attempting an oxymoronic race from its own shadow, indeed as an embarrassment at publicly displaying their very identity itself.   How can you “de-politicize” a party Presidential nominating convention?  You can’t.  Of course in the end the Palin and McC speeches re-politicized the show with a sincere (if knowingly hopeless and therefore hollow and therefore wan) vengeance, but that they even attempted such a nonsensical “de-politicization” maneuver in the first place speaks volumes as to a thorough dereliction at the top of the R party.  This ship is adrift.  The oh-so-timely Katrina echo — some intelligent divinity with a memory for justice just might exist.  They couldn’t even keep not one but .two. Code Pinkies out of the hall, fer Chrissakes — with signs, even.  And then picking Palin without vetting — I ask ya.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bottom line: They are clearly acting like it just doesn’t matter what they do in their Prez campaign, how completely they botch the job, however they are also not acting like they expect to lose power.  That’s extremely scary.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So now I wonder (along with others above) what, exactly, the R’s are going to do with this un-winnable electoral situation, and I have to say their options still seem to me completely wide open.  Including but not limited to any combination of the following, in no particular order: Diebolding the election; triggering a shooting war by continuing to poke the bear; generating some sufficiently successful character attack on an Obama; raising the Threat Level Candy Color Code; turning a blind eye to some impending domestic attack; overreacting to some foreign attack; launching some new adventuresome war; making some de-stabilizing announcement about the extent of existing domestic surveillance and/or D complicity in establishing same; acting or failing to act in such a way that the housing crisis and/or personal/family financial services sector are further compromised in some de-stabilizing manner.  Was it Rove who told us there were a whole lot of surprises still to come?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shameless ploys?  Damn straight, but remember, at this point they have, after all, nothing left to lose by trying.  LIke the man said, they don’t have to cancel the election, they just have to make it close enough to steal it.  And despite all the implosion, I think they still have that within reach.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It ain’t over yet, kids.  Stay glued to the ol’ wireless, keep watching the skies, keep an ear to the intertoobz, etc.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observations from one who spent both convention weeks joyously far from any TV set or web browser: I agree with the folks who are seeing that the R’s can now feel that they cannot win this election.  From the newspaper coverage the truncated, quickly retooled, and “de-politicized” RNC show read as a party attempting an oxymoronic race from its own shadow, indeed as an embarrassment at publicly displaying their very identity itself.   How can you “de-politicize” a party Presidential nominating convention?  You can’t.  Of course in the end the Palin and McC speeches re-politicized the show with a sincere (if knowingly hopeless and therefore hollow and therefore wan) vengeance, but that they even attempted such a nonsensical “de-politicization” maneuver in the first place speaks volumes as to a thorough dereliction at the top of the R party.  This ship is adrift.  The oh-so-timely Katrina echo — some intelligent divinity with a memory for justice just might exist.  They couldn’t even keep not one but .two. Code Pinkies out of the hall, fer Chrissakes — with signs, even.  And then picking Palin without vetting — I ask ya.  </p>
<p>Bottom line: They are clearly acting like it just doesn’t matter what they do in their Prez campaign, how completely they botch the job, however they are also not acting like they expect to lose power.  That’s extremely scary.</p>
<p>So now I wonder (along with others above) what, exactly, the R’s are going to do with this un-winnable electoral situation, and I have to say their options still seem to me completely wide open.  Including but not limited to any combination of the following, in no particular order: Diebolding the election; triggering a shooting war by continuing to poke the bear; generating some sufficiently successful character attack on an Obama; raising the Threat Level Candy Color Code; turning a blind eye to some impending domestic attack; overreacting to some foreign attack; launching some new adventuresome war; making some de-stabilizing announcement about the extent of existing domestic surveillance and/or D complicity in establishing same; acting or failing to act in such a way that the housing crisis and/or personal/family financial services sector are further compromised in some de-stabilizing manner.  Was it Rove who told us there were a whole lot of surprises still to come?</p>
<p>Shameless ploys?  Damn straight, but remember, at this point they have, after all, nothing left to lose by trying.  LIke the man said, they don’t have to cancel the election, they just have to make it close enough to steal it.  And despite all the implosion, I think they still have that within reach.</p>
<p>It ain’t over yet, kids.  Stay glued to the ol’ wireless, keep watching the skies, keep an ear to the intertoobz, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: WilliamOckham</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/05/troopergate-investigation-timing/comment-page-1/#comment-98025</link>
		<dc:creator>WilliamOckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Um, I know that that was probably a rhetorical question, but if you really want to know, you can read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cogsci.rpi.edu/CSJarchive/1982v06/i01/p0001p0036/MAIN.PDF&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;“Simulating a skilled typist: A study of skilled cognitive-motor performance”&lt;/a&gt;. Warning: PDF to a very geeky paper.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, I know that that was probably a rhetorical question, but if you really want to know, you can read <a href="http://www.cogsci.rpi.edu/CSJarchive/1982v06/i01/p0001p0036/MAIN.PDF" rel="nofollow">“Simulating a skilled typist: A study of skilled cognitive-motor performance”</a>. Warning: PDF to a very geeky paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;She is one righteous dude who, like Bush, uses an internal moral compass, consistent with God’s will, to determine the just outcome.  Her reform credentials and her righteous terminations are one in the same.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She is one righteous dude who, like Bush, uses an internal moral compass, consistent with God’s will, to determine the just outcome.  Her reform credentials and her righteous terminations are one in the same.</p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“I’m glad we’ve got The Enquirer to sort this out”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yet more evidence of Life Imitating Art.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Remember Men In Black- where the older agent says: Something’s up- let’s go check the Hot Sheets- then they went to scan the Enquirer &amp; variants?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I’m glad we’ve got The Enquirer to sort this out”</p>
<p>Yet more evidence of Life Imitating Art.</p>
<p>Remember Men In Black- where the older agent says: Something’s up- let’s go check the Hot Sheets- then they went to scan the Enquirer &amp; variants?</p>
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		<title>By: pdaly</title>
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		<dc:creator>pdaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;People were asking a few threads ago what archetype Palin is.&lt;br /&gt;
Maybe Palin provided us with the best archetype herself.&lt;br /&gt;
Here’s Whitebeard’s comment on Christy’s Firedoglake post today “A Choice for me but not for thee?” I think it should be spread far and wide:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why? Why would Palin describe herself as “a pitbull with lipstick”? Aside from the fact that she equates herself with a female dog, she also chooses a breed responsible for killing or maiming more than 700 innocent children and adults over the past 25 or so years? What does it say about her self-image? She has called herself what no one else in public life or the media would dare to call her: a vicious, murdering bitch. I guess we oughta thank her for her honesty, huh?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And is that &lt;em&gt;lipstick&lt;/em&gt; on that pitbull, or the exsanguinated blood of the child in the baby stroller?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People were asking a few threads ago what archetype Palin is.<br />
Maybe Palin provided us with the best archetype herself.<br />
Here’s Whitebeard’s comment on Christy’s Firedoglake post today “A Choice for me but not for thee?” I think it should be spread far and wide:</p>
<blockquote><p>Why? Why would Palin describe herself as “a pitbull with lipstick”? Aside from the fact that she equates herself with a female dog, she also chooses a breed responsible for killing or maiming more than 700 innocent children and adults over the past 25 or so years? What does it say about her self-image? She has called herself what no one else in public life or the media would dare to call her: a vicious, murdering bitch. I guess we oughta thank her for her honesty, huh?</p>
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<p>And is that <em>lipstick</em> on that pitbull, or the exsanguinated blood of the child in the baby stroller?</p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Todd Palin, Shadow Governor?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Close: Shadow Cheney.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Todd Palin, Shadow Governor?”</p>
<p>Close: Shadow Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/05/troopergate-investigation-timing/comment-page-1/#comment-98012</link>
		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you pretty much sums up the risk to which the confluence of the economy &amp; Iraq &amp; Obama have driven the GOP machine. I wrote in an earlier thread that even in losing now if Palin can use her VEEP status to buy time for the GOP to go full Borg on the witnesses &amp; downgrade Troopergate from a Keating 5 status to a Hootersville 2 arctic storm, Thatcher-izing Palin could work as a lever for the Base’s Ayatollahs forcing their dream ticket for 2012: Palin-Huckabee.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I could not disagree more with those who opine that the GOP machine is pulling the plug on this election, or ceding the franchise to the Ayatollahs [though the outcomes may turn out effectively the same].&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush gave up pretty much the entire Domestic &amp; quite a bit of the Foreign Policy seats to religiots, but the GOP machine was still able to deliver up a couple of phenomenally profitable profit centers in Iraq &amp; domestic surveillance, both areas having the particular attractions of allowing the addition of 3 to 6 zeros to budgets, spending indeterminable multiples of that, and both denying oversight &amp; obviating the usual needs of providing either evidence or logical support for their efficacy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t see any signs of the Ayatollahs being reluctant in the near term to trade off those two areas to the GOP machine’s lobbyists &amp; mad men, along with the DOJ as a means to the end of electoral hegemony, in exchange for larger allocated space in the White House &amp; every other USG agency. I really think that is why Rove within days even of the 200 6 midterm election was still heard talking confidently about retaining power. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What the 2006 election &amp; this cycle have done is prove to Rove that the desperate times they saw coming a generation or so down the line for the GOP machine, as growth among hispanics, Asians &amp; blacks drove White Family Guys below 50%, arrived a few cycles earlier than expected due to the DNC presidential candidate selection coming up with a Black Swan, one who could both see how the Dem torture trail system of having to first gain the nomination within shouting distance of Marquis of Queensbury rules &amp; then go into a no-holds barred death match for the White House, require more of a balance in using more of what it takes to win the latter within the former contest, and being a lot more realistic than Gore &amp; Kerry &amp; as cold-blooded &amp; resilient as the GOP machine in prosecuting the latter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As to the future? Well- so far in this campaign Unholy Empire forces of the GOP machine &amp; the McCampaign &amp; the Ayatollahs &amp; the Repods have shown absolutely no compunction at all against stealing directly from the creative stockpile of the Dems, and I would expect that to continue. The Obama campaign’s message meister David Plouffe has caught some heat from Mark Blumenthal, and even the young turks like Nate Silver, in the pollosphere; but they’re a clever geeks &amp; not at war &amp; he is. The kinds of hard edged reality focused minds that are serving the Obama campaign this go ’round are going to expect a higher pay scale the next time- &amp; the GOP machine lobbyists &amp; mad men know how to get it for them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you pretty much sums up the risk to which the confluence of the economy &amp; Iraq &amp; Obama have driven the GOP machine. I wrote in an earlier thread that even in losing now if Palin can use her VEEP status to buy time for the GOP to go full Borg on the witnesses &amp; downgrade Troopergate from a Keating 5 status to a Hootersville 2 arctic storm, Thatcher-izing Palin could work as a lever for the Base’s Ayatollahs forcing their dream ticket for 2012: Palin-Huckabee.</p>
<p>But I could not disagree more with those who opine that the GOP machine is pulling the plug on this election, or ceding the franchise to the Ayatollahs [though the outcomes may turn out effectively the same].</p>
<p>Bush gave up pretty much the entire Domestic &amp; quite a bit of the Foreign Policy seats to religiots, but the GOP machine was still able to deliver up a couple of phenomenally profitable profit centers in Iraq &amp; domestic surveillance, both areas having the particular attractions of allowing the addition of 3 to 6 zeros to budgets, spending indeterminable multiples of that, and both denying oversight &amp; obviating the usual needs of providing either evidence or logical support for their efficacy.</p>
<p>I don’t see any signs of the Ayatollahs being reluctant in the near term to trade off those two areas to the GOP machine’s lobbyists &amp; mad men, along with the DOJ as a means to the end of electoral hegemony, in exchange for larger allocated space in the White House &amp; every other USG agency. I really think that is why Rove within days even of the 200 6 midterm election was still heard talking confidently about retaining power. </p>
<p>What the 2006 election &amp; this cycle have done is prove to Rove that the desperate times they saw coming a generation or so down the line for the GOP machine, as growth among hispanics, Asians &amp; blacks drove White Family Guys below 50%, arrived a few cycles earlier than expected due to the DNC presidential candidate selection coming up with a Black Swan, one who could both see how the Dem torture trail system of having to first gain the nomination within shouting distance of Marquis of Queensbury rules &amp; then go into a no-holds barred death match for the White House, require more of a balance in using more of what it takes to win the latter within the former contest, and being a lot more realistic than Gore &amp; Kerry &amp; as cold-blooded &amp; resilient as the GOP machine in prosecuting the latter.</p>
<p>As to the future? Well- so far in this campaign Unholy Empire forces of the GOP machine &amp; the McCampaign &amp; the Ayatollahs &amp; the Repods have shown absolutely no compunction at all against stealing directly from the creative stockpile of the Dems, and I would expect that to continue. The Obama campaign’s message meister David Plouffe has caught some heat from Mark Blumenthal, and even the young turks like Nate Silver, in the pollosphere; but they’re a clever geeks &amp; not at war &amp; he is. The kinds of hard edged reality focused minds that are serving the Obama campaign this go ’round are going to expect a higher pay scale the next time- &amp; the GOP machine lobbyists &amp; mad men know how to get it for them.</p>
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		<title>By: FrankProbst</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrankProbst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oy.  More and more drama.  I’m glad we’ve got The Enquirer to sort this out.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy.  More and more drama.  I’m glad we’ve got The Enquirer to sort this out.</p>
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