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		<title>By: Nell</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/04/community-organizer/#comment-97921</link>
		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve got anecdotal evidence in support of EW’s theory.  At the Obsidian Wings blog, a commenter suggested that part of countering the scary vibes Republicans are trying to create around community organizing would be to name the organization for which Obama worked (an eight-parish project of the Catholic Church’s Campaign for Human Development).  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An ex-Republican commenter, someone who’s voting for Obama but is steeped in what the GOP wants people to think, responded revealingly.  First, it was clear that he had no idea for whom Obama had worked as an organizer (which by itself supports the original commenter’s point).  But second, it’s clear that the community organizer=ACORN meme is well established in conservative/Republican circles: &lt;i&gt;[naming] some of them maybe. “Friends of the Parks” sounds just dandy. But you don’t really believe that bringing ACORN into this would actually help do you?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve got anecdotal evidence in support of EW’s theory.  At the Obsidian Wings blog, a commenter suggested that part of countering the scary vibes Republicans are trying to create around community organizing would be to name the organization for which Obama worked (an eight-parish project of the Catholic Church’s Campaign for Human Development).  </p>
<p>An ex-Republican commenter, someone who’s voting for Obama but is steeped in what the GOP wants people to think, responded revealingly.  First, it was clear that he had no idea for whom Obama had worked as an organizer (which by itself supports the original commenter’s point).  But second, it’s clear that the community organizer=ACORN meme is well established in conservative/Republican circles: <i>[naming] some of them maybe. “Friends of the Parks” sounds just dandy. But you don’t really believe that bringing ACORN into this would actually help do you?</i></p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/04/community-organizer/#comment-97860</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It would be great if the ad came from a strong community organizer type of group.  I do not want Obama’s camp to come off on the defensive for something that is great.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A grassroots movement against the “slam” on community organizers, community development and the volunteer spirit would be so much more effective, and positive.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be great if the ad came from a strong community organizer type of group.  I do not want Obama’s camp to come off on the defensive for something that is great.</p>
<p>A grassroots movement against the “slam” on community organizers, community development and the volunteer spirit would be so much more effective, and positive.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/04/community-organizer/#comment-97859</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;dismayed, i am also.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and yeah, an ad with the founding fathers would be quite good.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;in fact, this whole issue reflects the age old conflict btwn the pull to aristocracy and the break to democracy.  to put it more succinctly, btwn the cult of leader worship and the true individuality fostered by democracy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so an ad might look something like:&lt;br /&gt;
“there are those who place so much impassioned importance on leadership, they forget what a democracy is really about.  our founding fathers recognized that true freedom comes from following the will of we, the people.  those among us who work with the people, with our communities, organizing their efforts toward their goals, toward their aspirations, toward the fulfillment of our most treasured rights, display our most democratic leadership.  not least among these is our right to vote.  don’t just vote this fall; get out and organize your community to register every citizen to vote, and then make sure they can make it to the polls and all our votes get counted.  it’s everyone’s right; it’s everyone’s responsibility.  it’s the american way.”&lt;br /&gt;
***voiced over dissolving images of kings and despots, fading to images of the founding fathers in group discussions (those great paintings of yore), the preamble to the constitution, fading to susan b. anthony and mlk jr organizing, and contemporary photos of community organizers, obama among them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;after obama’s capitulation to o’reilly last night, i fear not just a slide but a nosedive to the right to match mccain’s.  we gotta stop this trainwreck.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dismayed, i am also.</p>
<p>and yeah, an ad with the founding fathers would be quite good.</p>
<p>in fact, this whole issue reflects the age old conflict btwn the pull to aristocracy and the break to democracy.  to put it more succinctly, btwn the cult of leader worship and the true individuality fostered by democracy.</p>
<p>so an ad might look something like:<br />
“there are those who place so much impassioned importance on leadership, they forget what a democracy is really about.  our founding fathers recognized that true freedom comes from following the will of we, the people.  those among us who work with the people, with our communities, organizing their efforts toward their goals, toward their aspirations, toward the fulfillment of our most treasured rights, display our most democratic leadership.  not least among these is our right to vote.  don’t just vote this fall; get out and organize your community to register every citizen to vote, and then make sure they can make it to the polls and all our votes get counted.  it’s everyone’s right; it’s everyone’s responsibility.  it’s the american way.”<br />
***voiced over dissolving images of kings and despots, fading to images of the founding fathers in group discussions (those great paintings of yore), the preamble to the constitution, fading to susan b. anthony and mlk jr organizing, and contemporary photos of community organizers, obama among them.</p>
<p>after obama’s capitulation to o’reilly last night, i fear not just a slide but a nosedive to the right to match mccain’s.  we gotta stop this trainwreck.</p>
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		<title>By: Dismayed</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/04/community-organizer/#comment-97857</link>
		<dc:creator>Dismayed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think there needs to be an add with the Founding Fathers that says “community organizers”  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think the absolute scorn these people showed for “community organizer” equates to a scorn on volunteering, or community participation, or even community.  That should be attacked for the desparagement of democracy that it is.  They show a hatred for the most basic unit of democracy.  The community.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Community organization is Leadership at its finest, at its core.  None of these silver spoon trust fund babies could have gotten off first base without a staff to get them through university.  I think Barak’s bonifieds scare the hell out of them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Remember, remember, remember - KKKarl ALWAYS attacks his opponents strengths.  The Obama campaign would be well advised to remember this and use it as a prime consideration in all strategy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there needs to be an add with the Founding Fathers that says “community organizers”  </p>
<p>I think the absolute scorn these people showed for “community organizer” equates to a scorn on volunteering, or community participation, or even community.  That should be attacked for the desparagement of democracy that it is.  They show a hatred for the most basic unit of democracy.  The community.</p>
<p>Community organization is Leadership at its finest, at its core.  None of these silver spoon trust fund babies could have gotten off first base without a staff to get them through university.  I think Barak’s bonifieds scare the hell out of them.</p>
<p>Remember, remember, remember &#8211; KKKarl ALWAYS attacks his opponents strengths.  The Obama campaign would be well advised to remember this and use it as a prime consideration in all strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: tejanarusa</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/04/community-organizer/#comment-97856</link>
		<dc:creator>tejanarusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Chiming in late -  you are so right that this is a meme that’s starting up:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;John Fund (WSJ columnist, author of new book “Stealing Elections”) was on Talk of the Nation this p.m.  He repeatedly stated half-truths and falsehoods about ACORN, saying that they frequently and deliberately register ineligible voters, and have been repeatedly convicted for such “voter fraud.”&lt;br /&gt;
He went on to state, several times, that Obama was a “community organizer” for ACORN and, (gasp) “EVEN” was their lawyer.&lt;br /&gt;
A caller called him out on that last, btw.  But nobody said that Obama worked for Catholic Charities, not ACORN.  I have to admit, right now, I don’t know the answer to that.&lt;br /&gt;
But I do think now that this is the 2nd-day roll-out of this particular dogwhistle.&lt;br /&gt;
And, no, it’s not paranoid to think so.  I don’t think you can be too paranoid when interpreting these people’s intentions.  They are evil.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiming in late &#8211;  you are so right that this is a meme that’s starting up:</p>
<p>John Fund (WSJ columnist, author of new book “Stealing Elections”) was on Talk of the Nation this p.m.  He repeatedly stated half-truths and falsehoods about ACORN, saying that they frequently and deliberately register ineligible voters, and have been repeatedly convicted for such “voter fraud.”<br />
He went on to state, several times, that Obama was a “community organizer” for ACORN and, (gasp) “EVEN” was their lawyer.<br />
A caller called him out on that last, btw.  But nobody said that Obama worked for Catholic Charities, not ACORN.  I have to admit, right now, I don’t know the answer to that.<br />
But I do think now that this is the 2nd-day roll-out of this particular dogwhistle.<br />
And, no, it’s not paranoid to think so.  I don’t think you can be too paranoid when interpreting these people’s intentions.  They are evil.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/04/community-organizer/#comment-97853</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;woopsie; didn’t see ew’s notes on scully’s penning palin’s speech.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;cut from the same cloth, tho, he and karl.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woopsie; didn’t see ew’s notes on scully’s penning palin’s speech.</p>
<p>cut from the same cloth, tho, he and karl.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/04/community-organizer/#comment-97852</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;fred, (a) i don’t think she wrote that speech.  she’d read anything they put in front of her, just about.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(b) tell cheney about that warm bucket of piss, why doncha?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fred, (a) i don’t think she wrote that speech.  she’d read anything they put in front of her, just about.</p>
<p>(b) tell cheney about that warm bucket of piss, why doncha?</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/04/community-organizer/#comment-97851</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oh god yeah; rove’s nasty fingerprints were all OVER her speech.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;in fact, it gave us some interesting insight.  sort of like the insight into the veep pick he was pushing when he predicted obama would go after a cheap political choice instead of a governing choice.  (we need to be watching what he’s saying, cuz his predictions about the dems seem to come true for the repugs!)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;here’s the insight:  all the nastiness, the sarcasm and derision?  this is how rove is feeling these days.  he was banished from paradise because his nasty tactics got him into trouble - not with bush, who’s right there with him - but with the dems, who have been doggin him (a little too slowly for my tastes) for his various sins.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and then they beat his machinery in 06!  the nerve, the very idea, the outrage!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yup, i bet big money he oversaw the crafting of that venom.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh god yeah; rove’s nasty fingerprints were all OVER her speech.</p>
<p>in fact, it gave us some interesting insight.  sort of like the insight into the veep pick he was pushing when he predicted obama would go after a cheap political choice instead of a governing choice.  (we need to be watching what he’s saying, cuz his predictions about the dems seem to come true for the repugs!)</p>
<p>here’s the insight:  all the nastiness, the sarcasm and derision?  this is how rove is feeling these days.  he was banished from paradise because his nasty tactics got him into trouble &#8211; not with bush, who’s right there with him &#8211; but with the dems, who have been doggin him (a little too slowly for my tastes) for his various sins.</p>
<p>and then they beat his machinery in 06!  the nerve, the very idea, the outrage!!</p>
<p>yup, i bet big money he oversaw the crafting of that venom.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/04/community-organizer/#comment-97850</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;is anyone else noticing just how unbelievably, erm, paternally palin is being MANAGED???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i mean, we’re not to expect any one-on-one interviews with her for a while?  what is THAT?  was biden so cloistered???  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;are they that afraid she’ll screw up?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;talk about sexist!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is anyone else noticing just how unbelievably, erm, paternally palin is being MANAGED???</p>
<p>i mean, we’re not to expect any one-on-one interviews with her for a while?  what is THAT?  was biden so cloistered???  </p>
<p>are they that afraid she’ll screw up?</p>
<p>talk about sexist!</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/04/community-organizer/#comment-97849</link>
		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Our job is to work with the republicans who have some residual sense of shame. Among our Jewish Republican friends, we can talk about the end times philosophy of Sarah Palin. Among our business friends, we point out relevant business issues, for example, the drain private health care inflicts on them (I have tons of other examples).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The idea is to shame them into not voting. If we reduce McCain’s margins among liberal repubs, we have done what we can do.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our job is to work with the republicans who have some residual sense of shame. Among our Jewish Republican friends, we can talk about the end times philosophy of Sarah Palin. Among our business friends, we point out relevant business issues, for example, the drain private health care inflicts on them (I have tons of other examples).</p>
<p>The idea is to shame them into not voting. If we reduce McCain’s margins among liberal repubs, we have done what we can do.</p>
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