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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/03/crossed-the-line/#comment-97793</link>
		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I see Abe got &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26548197/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;4 years&lt;/a&gt;…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Judge Ellen Huvelle issued the sentence on conspiracy and other charges after federal prosecutors recommended leniency due to Abramoff’s cooperation in pursuing corruption cases against lawmakers and former administration officials. He faced a maximum of 11 years under a plea deal reached in 2006.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That article also says:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;With Abramoff’s help, the Justice Department has won corruption convictions against a parade of lawmakers, Bush administration figures and Capitol Hill aides.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Really?  What convictions… what parade?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Abe got <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26548197/" rel="nofollow">4 years</a>…</p>
<blockquote><p>Judge Ellen Huvelle issued the sentence on conspiracy and other charges after federal prosecutors recommended leniency due to Abramoff’s cooperation in pursuing corruption cases against lawmakers and former administration officials. He faced a maximum of 11 years under a plea deal reached in 2006.</p>
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<p>That article also says:</p>
<blockquote><p>With Abramoff’s help, the Justice Department has won corruption convictions against a parade of lawmakers, Bush administration figures and Capitol Hill aides.</p>
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<p>Really?  What convictions… what parade?</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/03/crossed-the-line/#comment-97762</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know we’re in EPU-land, but I wanted to follow up on RoTL’s point:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;So some people don’t like the ‘laws’ because they can’t understand them, and others because they don’t view them as legitimate. (Some overlap between the two views.) Not a good situation. As we see daily.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Moses supposedly started out with just 10 short laws, but then we wind up even in Exodus with many more regulations, and then comes Leviticus.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our Constitution may be small enough to fit in a vest-pocket sized book, but to carry the Code of Federal Regulations around, or even the U.S. Code, you’d need a hand truck.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Every year, Congress passes at least one bill the size of the Cambridge Unabridged Dictionary (usually one of the Omnibus bills). No one really understands what all is in a bill of that size. Indeed, significant things have been slipped into such bills at the last minute that were unknown to the people voting on the bill. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Such monstrosities erode the public’s faith and trust in government, and Republicans have capitalized on this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know we’re in EPU-land, but I wanted to follow up on RoTL’s point:</p>
<blockquote><p>So some people don’t like the ‘laws’ because they can’t understand them, and others because they don’t view them as legitimate. (Some overlap between the two views.) Not a good situation. As we see daily.</p>
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<p>Moses supposedly started out with just 10 short laws, but then we wind up even in Exodus with many more regulations, and then comes Leviticus.</p>
<p>Our Constitution may be small enough to fit in a vest-pocket sized book, but to carry the Code of Federal Regulations around, or even the U.S. Code, you’d need a hand truck.</p>
<p>Every year, Congress passes at least one bill the size of the Cambridge Unabridged Dictionary (usually one of the Omnibus bills). No one really understands what all is in a bill of that size. Indeed, significant things have been slipped into such bills at the last minute that were unknown to the people voting on the bill. </p>
<p>Such monstrosities erode the public’s faith and trust in government, and Republicans have capitalized on this.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/03/crossed-the-line/#comment-97751</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ot Scott Ritter hitting the nail on the head.  Not much difference between Obama and McCain on Iran&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The U.S. all ready committing acts of war against Iran.  Iran is about U.S. Hegemony&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/3/fmr_un_weapons_inspector_scott_ritter&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.democracynow.org/20.....ott_ritter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ot Scott Ritter hitting the nail on the head.  Not much difference between Obama and McCain on Iran</p>
<p>The U.S. all ready committing acts of war against Iran.  Iran is about U.S. Hegemony<br /><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/3/fmr_un_weapons_inspector_scott_ritter" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/20&#8230;..ott_ritter</a></p>
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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/03/crossed-the-line/#comment-97750</link>
		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The letter is long on discussions of how he cooperated (which I’ve always thought he did because he thought other Republicans had screwed him over), and very short on remorse.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And when Abramhoff occassionally makes it back to forefront discussions, I always find myself wondering exactly what are the prosecutorial fruits of Jack’s cooperation?  Anything?  Didn’t I see a McCain email somewhere where he assured his repub colleagues he would not follow Jack’s trail of corruption pointing their way?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Might be fun to ask Palin about that, given all I’ve been hearing from the McCain talking heads about her “reformer” credentials and “fighting corruption”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The letter is long on discussions of how he cooperated (which I’ve always thought he did because he thought other Republicans had screwed him over), and very short on remorse.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
<p>And when Abramhoff occassionally makes it back to forefront discussions, I always find myself wondering exactly what are the prosecutorial fruits of Jack’s cooperation?  Anything?  Didn’t I see a McCain email somewhere where he assured his repub colleagues he would not follow Jack’s trail of corruption pointing their way?</p>
<p>Might be fun to ask Palin about that, given all I’ve been hearing from the McCain talking heads about her “reformer” credentials and “fighting corruption”.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/03/crossed-the-line/#comment-97749</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From JTA.  What is happening with candidates and the I lobby&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is under breaking news at JTA.&lt;br /&gt;
 	Joe Biden pledged to respect Israel’s autonomy, but defended his willingness to oppose some AIPAC-backed measures.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Biden is so insightful.(unable to link the breaking news)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Biden on the line: Israel needs to decide on Iran, AIPAC does not represent the entire Jewish community&lt;br /&gt;
20 minute conference call between Biden and media about Israel and Iran&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.jta.org/politics/2008/09/03/1301/biden-on-the-line-israel-needs-to-decide-on-iran-aipac-does-not-represent-the-entire-jewish-community/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogs.jta.org/politics/.....community/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Palin meets with AIPAC leaders&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/2008090220080902palinaipac.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow.....aipac.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From JTA.  What is happening with candidates and the I lobby</p>
<p>This is under breaking news at JTA.<br />
 	Joe Biden pledged to respect Israel’s autonomy, but defended his willingness to oppose some AIPAC-backed measures.  </p>
<p>Biden is so insightful.(unable to link the breaking news)</p>
<p>Biden on the line: Israel needs to decide on Iran, AIPAC does not represent the entire Jewish community<br />
20 minute conference call between Biden and media about Israel and Iran</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.jta.org/politics/2008/09/03/1301/biden-on-the-line-israel-needs-to-decide-on-iran-aipac-does-not-represent-the-entire-jewish-community/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.jta.org/politics/&#8230;..community/</a></p>
<p>Palin meets with AIPAC leaders<br /><a href="http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/2008090220080902palinaipac.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow&#8230;..aipac.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/03/crossed-the-line/#comment-97748</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oops sorry&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops sorry</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/03/crossed-the-line/#comment-97747</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Abramoff, Bush, Cheney, Feith, Bolton…culture of psychopaths.  No conscience, no shame….many suffer they do not care.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Watching the Republican convention last night made me wonder have Americans all ready forgotten the last eight years and all of the crimes that have been committed by the Bush administration.  Americans have forgotten the unnecessary in Iraq (the MSM has certainly helped them forget), the dead, the injured, the Iraqi refugees, trillions of dollars in debt, record breaking oil profits, illegal wiretapping.  If Palin is such a “reformer” a person who goes up against “the good ole boys” she has a huge task in front of her. Wonder if anyone will ask either McCain or Palin about ACCOUNTABILITY.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Palin no substance all about divisiveness.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abramoff, Bush, Cheney, Feith, Bolton…culture of psychopaths.  No conscience, no shame….many suffer they do not care.</p>
<p>Watching the Republican convention last night made me wonder have Americans all ready forgotten the last eight years and all of the crimes that have been committed by the Bush administration.  Americans have forgotten the unnecessary in Iraq (the MSM has certainly helped them forget), the dead, the injured, the Iraqi refugees, trillions of dollars in debt, record breaking oil profits, illegal wiretapping.  If Palin is such a “reformer” a person who goes up against “the good ole boys” she has a huge task in front of her. Wonder if anyone will ask either McCain or Palin about ACCOUNTABILITY.</p>
<p>Palin no substance all about divisiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/03/crossed-the-line/#comment-97746</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Abramoff, Bush, Cheney, Feith, Bolton…culture of psychopaths.  No conscience, no shame….many suffer they do not care.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Watching the Republican convention last night made me wonder have Americans all ready forgotten the last eight years and all of the crimes that have been committed by the Bush administration.  Americans have forgotten the unnecessary in Iraq (the MSM has certainly helped them forget), the dead, the injured, the Iraqi refugees, trillions of dollars in debt, record breaking oil profits, illegal wiretapping.  If Palin is such a “reformer” a person who goes up against “the good ole boys” she has a huge task in front of her. Wonder if anyone will ask either McCain or Palin about ACCOUNTABILITY.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Palin was no substance all about divisiveness.  Pathetic&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abramoff, Bush, Cheney, Feith, Bolton…culture of psychopaths.  No conscience, no shame….many suffer they do not care.</p>
<p>Watching the Republican convention last night made me wonder have Americans all ready forgotten the last eight years and all of the crimes that have been committed by the Bush administration.  Americans have forgotten the unnecessary in Iraq (the MSM has certainly helped them forget), the dead, the injured, the Iraqi refugees, trillions of dollars in debt, record breaking oil profits, illegal wiretapping.  If Palin is such a “reformer” a person who goes up against “the good ole boys” she has a huge task in front of her. Wonder if anyone will ask either McCain or Palin about ACCOUNTABILITY.</p>
<p>Palin was no substance all about divisiveness.  Pathetic</p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/03/crossed-the-line/#comment-97744</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am sick about Troy Eid.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: R.H. Green</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/03/crossed-the-line/#comment-97742</link>
		<dc:creator>R.H. Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 05:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve noticed your references. You got me with that quote from Hattie Carrol.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve noticed your references. You got me with that quote from Hattie Carrol.</p>
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