Comments on: Gonzales Resigned 17 Days After This IG Investigation Began http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: rapt http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97567 rapt Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:13:00 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97567 <p>Hey Lysias now you are getting to the real meat of the matter, and most other matters relating to bushco. Since “it” isn’t legal there are no statutory protections, even if a blackmailed congress (blackmail, now that too is illegal) has created some out of thin air after the fact.</p> <p>IMHO we have reached the point where the whole govt is only a charade; most or all of its members are accessories to multiple crimes as either active perps/enablers or for willfully failing to report crimes they know to be in process. And still they draw a salary, staff, perks.</p> <p>This sham will end only when the governed take on the responsibility of knowing that there is in fact no government. I have been continually amazed that the current blindness is so self-perpetuating - it has taught that yes indeed we the people are like sheep when managed a certain way.</p> <p>OT: A teevee shot of repug meeting last night showed a sea of young white male faces. My wife remarked that one of the interviewees reminded her of a four-year-old, and I had to agree that he was both clueless and baby-faced.</p> Hey Lysias now you are getting to the real meat of the matter, and most other matters relating to bushco. Since “it” isn’t legal there are no statutory protections, even if a blackmailed congress (blackmail, now that too is illegal) has created some out of thin air after the fact.

IMHO we have reached the point where the whole govt is only a charade; most or all of its members are accessories to multiple crimes as either active perps/enablers or for willfully failing to report crimes they know to be in process. And still they draw a salary, staff, perks.

This sham will end only when the governed take on the responsibility of knowing that there is in fact no government. I have been continually amazed that the current blindness is so self-perpetuating – it has taught that yes indeed we the people are like sheep when managed a certain way.

OT: A teevee shot of repug meeting last night showed a sea of young white male faces. My wife remarked that one of the interviewees reminded her of a four-year-old, and I had to agree that he was both clueless and baby-faced.

]]> By: lysias http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97555 lysias Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:15:05 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97555 <p>If the programs were illegal, anything about them could not be validly classified. In which case, the laws for how to handle classified information would not apply.</p> If the programs were illegal, anything about them could not be validly classified. In which case, the laws for how to handle classified information would not apply.

]]> By: sailmaker http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97531 sailmaker Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:26:38 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97531 <p>Jack Goldsmith was pretty insulted that the Bush folk thought he might have been one of Liectblau’s and Risen’s sources. Or are my between-the-lines-reading-skills needing a new set of bifocals: Goldsmith was shocked, simply shocked that the Bush folk might have thought him to be the leaker?</p> Jack Goldsmith was pretty insulted that the Bush folk thought he might have been one of Liectblau’s and Risen’s sources. Or are my between-the-lines-reading-skills needing a new set of bifocals: Goldsmith was shocked, simply shocked that the Bush folk might have thought him to be the leaker?

]]> By: emptywheel http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97482 emptywheel Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:59:47 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97482 <p>Nah, the clearance issue was over whether the approval of the program was legal and appropriate, not who leaked.</p> <p>Though I suspect this made BushCo a lot less willing to investigate Lichtblau’s and Risen’s sources, seeing as how they can’t account for that safe and the DOJ flunkies who had access to it.</p> Nah, the clearance issue was over whether the approval of the program was legal and appropriate, not who leaked.

Though I suspect this made BushCo a lot less willing to investigate Lichtblau’s and Risen’s sources, seeing as how they can’t account for that safe and the DOJ flunkies who had access to it.

]]> By: skdadl http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97472 skdadl Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:45:44 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97472 <p>Ok. I see. I was getting there, but this is more fiendish than I’m used to. The timing, as always, is very interesting.</p> Ok. I see. I was getting there, but this is more fiendish than I’m used to. The timing, as always, is very interesting.

]]> By: Citizen92 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97467 Citizen92 Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:42:37 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97467 <p>One Thought.<br /> I’m recalling the 2006 story when NSA refused to grant clearances to IG Fine’s investigators looking into the initial leak of warrantless surveillance program. That refusal effectively shut down the IG’s ability to find out who leaked the program.</p> <p>Any connection? Was Wainstein giving up the goods by turning Gonzales in?</p> <p>Second Thought.<br /> ‘Someone’ made a mental note that Gonzales took notes in that fateful meeting with the Gang of Eight. I didn’t see Addington’s name on that list, but I did see Cheney’s. Both Cheney and Addington are characters who I could entirely see -<br /> 1/ making a mental note of Gonzales’ notetaking (particularly since it was at the behest of the President).<br /> 2/ watching Gonzales walk out the door with the notes.<br /> 3/ using the bureaucracy to attack Gonzales on his attrocious classified matter bedside matter.</p> One Thought.
I’m recalling the 2006 story when NSA refused to grant clearances to IG Fine’s investigators looking into the initial leak of warrantless surveillance program. That refusal effectively shut down the IG’s ability to find out who leaked the program.

Any connection? Was Wainstein giving up the goods by turning Gonzales in?

Second Thought.
‘Someone’ made a mental note that Gonzales took notes in that fateful meeting with the Gang of Eight. I didn’t see Addington’s name on that list, but I did see Cheney’s. Both Cheney and Addington are characters who I could entirely see -
1/ making a mental note of Gonzales’ notetaking (particularly since it was at the behest of the President).
2/ watching Gonzales walk out the door with the notes.
3/ using the bureaucracy to attack Gonzales on his attrocious classified matter bedside matter.

]]> By: emptywheel http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97462 emptywheel Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:30:55 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97462 <p>Because of the possibility they were cleaning up their classified documents problems (recall that Bill Leonard, who was making them obvious, retired in September 2007) all at one time. And that they did what they needed to do to make Cheney’s classified documents problem okay, retroactively, while they made Gonzales’ worse by reporting them.</p> <p>Also, recall that, as a Constituional officer, Bush can’t fire Cheney. He can take away all his toys and power, but he’s still VP. And given that Cheney undoubtedly knows where the bodies are buried…</p> Because of the possibility they were cleaning up their classified documents problems (recall that Bill Leonard, who was making them obvious, retired in September 2007) all at one time. And that they did what they needed to do to make Cheney’s classified documents problem okay, retroactively, while they made Gonzales’ worse by reporting them.

Also, recall that, as a Constituional officer, Bush can’t fire Cheney. He can take away all his toys and power, but he’s still VP. And given that Cheney undoubtedly knows where the bodies are buried…

]]> By: skdadl http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97460 skdadl Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:27:52 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97460 <p>Oops. For Mumbles, please read AGAG. Preview is my friend.</p> Oops. For Mumbles, please read AGAG. Preview is my friend.

]]> By: skdadl http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97457 skdadl Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:24:00 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97457 <p>Oh, I know that Mumbles had become a huge public drag. I can recite vast patches of his testimony m’self. But Cheney (among others) had also become a huge public drag, and he’s not gone. </p> <p>I was just trying to figure out why EW put sentence two into that paragraph. I think I get it …</p> Oh, I know that Mumbles had become a huge public drag. I can recite vast patches of his testimony m’self. But Cheney (among others) had also become a huge public drag, and he’s not gone.

I was just trying to figure out why EW put sentence two into that paragraph. I think I get it …

]]> By: MarieRoget http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97456 MarieRoget Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:23:30 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/02/gonzales-resigned-17-days-after-this-ig-investigation-began/#comment-97456 <p>Re: subject of this excellent post- Gonzales is a key, like so many others have been a key less publicly obvious.</p> <p>Prends soin, Fredo. You’ve been a loyal soldier, but even loyals are like pawns in this Fed Admin. Very expendable & no protection set.</p> <p>Things getting next door to normal in St. Francisville LA, BTW, an email just reassured me.</p> <p>Have to go, friends. TTFN</p> Re: subject of this excellent post- Gonzales is a key, like so many others have been a key less publicly obvious.

Prends soin, Fredo. You’ve been a loyal soldier, but even loyals are like pawns in this Fed Admin. Very expendable & no protection set.

Things getting next door to normal in St. Francisville LA, BTW, an email just reassured me.

Have to go, friends. TTFN

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