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	<title>Comments on: People Bearing Glass Wombs Should Not Throw Policy Stones</title>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think one reason “lefty bloggers” find it difficult to just “let this go” [and I’m not apologizing for entries that are over the edge], is that the Sarah Palins of the world make it their mission to stick their noses in ALL of our lives, to tell us what we can [and mostly CAN’T] do, to insist that their views be codified into laws that govern us all, and then they don’t want us to take a look at their own little “family laboratory” where the experiment of following their POV has played out??&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What, they’re against science?  /s&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one reason “lefty bloggers” find it difficult to just “let this go” [and I’m not apologizing for entries that are over the edge], is that the Sarah Palins of the world make it their mission to stick their noses in ALL of our lives, to tell us what we can [and mostly CAN’T] do, to insist that their views be codified into laws that govern us all, and then they don’t want us to take a look at their own little “family laboratory” where the experiment of following their POV has played out??</p>
<p>What, they’re against science?  /s</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;absolutely sterling ew, ew!  thanks so much for another nail on the head.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;just one point i’d add (and apologies if someone has already mentioned it; no time today to review comments, dang it!):&lt;br /&gt;
regarding the public scrutiny palin is requesting be removed from her daughter, i’d have to say that she herself brought that on by agreeing to be placed on the repug ticket.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what self-respecting and child-loving mother would consider putting her child through the inevitable feeding frenzy that her own ambitious grab at fame will bring??  this could have easily been kept a relatively manageable (as could be expected even within the confines of alaska) crisis for bristol had palin declined the offer. instead of putting her child first, she chose her own greed for power.  consistent with her choice to fly to DC and dallas in her 8th month with a risky pregnancy (…in the first place; thanks for placing that question in the mix); what astoundingly myopic and selfish decisions!!. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;actually, just one more thing.  there seems to be this free pass because, one would presume, the father will marry bristol.  mccain’s campaign clearly did NOT vet this kid!  huffpo has pics and links to his mypage, where he says he’s a f**kin’ redneck and he does not want kids.  bad enough, but my question is this:  if bristol is five months along, what exactly are they waiting for with these asserted wedding plans?  they’ve known for all this time, and the boy does not want kids, yet now there’s talk of a wedding?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ya gotta wonder just how much that little event is gonna cost, and i’m not talking about the festivities; i’m talking about the payoff.  (some very industrious reporter needs to keep on top of that intriguing question.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;sweet jesus, what a nightmare for this poor young woman!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>absolutely sterling ew, ew!  thanks so much for another nail on the head.</p>
<p>just one point i’d add (and apologies if someone has already mentioned it; no time today to review comments, dang it!):<br />
regarding the public scrutiny palin is requesting be removed from her daughter, i’d have to say that she herself brought that on by agreeing to be placed on the repug ticket.  </p>
<p>what self-respecting and child-loving mother would consider putting her child through the inevitable feeding frenzy that her own ambitious grab at fame will bring??  this could have easily been kept a relatively manageable (as could be expected even within the confines of alaska) crisis for bristol had palin declined the offer. instead of putting her child first, she chose her own greed for power.  consistent with her choice to fly to DC and dallas in her 8th month with a risky pregnancy (…in the first place; thanks for placing that question in the mix); what astoundingly myopic and selfish decisions!!. </p>
<p>actually, just one more thing.  there seems to be this free pass because, one would presume, the father will marry bristol.  mccain’s campaign clearly did NOT vet this kid!  huffpo has pics and links to his mypage, where he says he’s a f**kin’ redneck and he does not want kids.  bad enough, but my question is this:  if bristol is five months along, what exactly are they waiting for with these asserted wedding plans?  they’ve known for all this time, and the boy does not want kids, yet now there’s talk of a wedding?</p>
<p>ya gotta wonder just how much that little event is gonna cost, and i’m not talking about the festivities; i’m talking about the payoff.  (some very industrious reporter needs to keep on top of that intriguing question.)</p>
<p>sweet jesus, what a nightmare for this poor young woman!</p>
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		<title>By: hackworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>hackworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pro-life=forced birth. There is no choice to be made WRT keeping or aborting the baby for Bristol Palin. The Palin Family and the MSM should not be permitted to imply that there was ever a decision to consider. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you are pro-life, you don’t get to pretend that you have the option of terminating a pregnancy - ever - for any reason - rape or incest included. Bristol Palin can not be admired for her grit in deciding to keep the baby.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pro-life=forced birth. There is no choice to be made WRT keeping or aborting the baby for Bristol Palin. The Palin Family and the MSM should not be permitted to imply that there was ever a decision to consider. </p>
<p>If you are pro-life, you don’t get to pretend that you have the option of terminating a pregnancy &#8211; ever &#8211; for any reason &#8211; rape or incest included. Bristol Palin can not be admired for her grit in deciding to keep the baby.</p>
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		<title>By: philintn</title>
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		<dc:creator>philintn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a matter of fact, that’s the way it worked years ago. Both my mother and grandmother were nurses all of their careers and that dates back to the 40’s. They would discuss women of low means coming in septic and dying in the hospital from back-ally abortions. Yet the girls in our small town who were from the affluent families, would have the procedure done at a doctors office and only the occasional rumor would let anyone know better. With that said, neither one of them would condone going back to the banned abortion days……&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a matter of fact, that’s the way it worked years ago. Both my mother and grandmother were nurses all of their careers and that dates back to the 40’s. They would discuss women of low means coming in septic and dying in the hospital from back-ally abortions. Yet the girls in our small town who were from the affluent families, would have the procedure done at a doctors office and only the occasional rumor would let anyone know better. With that said, neither one of them would condone going back to the banned abortion days……</p>
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		<title>By: Quzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The answer is, ultimately, that’s a decision that Palin and her doctors made. But that’s precisely the decision that Palin would deny other women, the ability to make reproductive choice decisions based solely on the expert advice of her doctor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Similarly, the Palins are making much of the fact that Bristol made a “decision to have her baby”–suggesting that she, their daughter, is entitled to a choice that Governor Palin thinks other women should not have
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;EW you have hit it out of the park again. Amen. Palin’s hpocricy in policy and her “private life” are glaring!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The answer is, ultimately, that’s a decision that Palin and her doctors made. But that’s precisely the decision that Palin would deny other women, the ability to make reproductive choice decisions based solely on the expert advice of her doctor.</p>
<p>Similarly, the Palins are making much of the fact that Bristol made a “decision to have her baby”–suggesting that she, their daughter, is entitled to a choice that Governor Palin thinks other women should not have
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<p>EW you have hit it out of the park again. Amen. Palin’s hpocricy in policy and her “private life” are glaring!</p>
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		<title>By: DefendOurConstitution</title>
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		<dc:creator>DefendOurConstitution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a person of faith, I believe that God helps those who help themselves. The Palins are certainly availing themselves of the choices they have in order to chose the outcomes they want. No, I don’t see anything divine in the Palins’ choice issues - purely a case of “do as I say and not as I do.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person of faith, I believe that God helps those who help themselves. The Palins are certainly availing themselves of the choices they have in order to chose the outcomes they want. No, I don’t see anything divine in the Palins’ choice issues &#8211; purely a case of “do as I say and not as I do.”</p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;At some time, I am going to demand respect for my own views on teenage pregnancies, teen age marriages because of pregnancy and their track records. I am going to demand respect for my skepticism that they know God so well that they can make national and state laws for Him; they know Him that well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am going to continue to demand that faith based initiative money stop going to their faith, and I’ll back it up by saying that it doesn’t belong in any faith.  I have tried to track the money that has gone to evangelicals and compare it to other faiths.  Because of President Bush’s executive order to start this faith based initiative, the bookkeeping for this money is not overseen by Congress in an organized way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Millions upon millions of US tax dollars have gone for this faith based, anti-science, teen bootcamp, God infused sexual identity healing, abstinence only, pray your way to healing ministry.  And these ministries are held in big buildings built by tax dollars.  Each of these tax supported ministries needs to be accounted for.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because in their minds, God chose to give them this money.  God chose these programs.  God annointed these ministers.&lt;br /&gt;
Ministers of youth&lt;br /&gt;
Ministers of education&lt;br /&gt;
Ministers of drug education and healing&lt;br /&gt;
Ministers of women’s issues&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And they get paid with tax dollars.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At some time, I am going to demand respect for my own views on teenage pregnancies, teen age marriages because of pregnancy and their track records. I am going to demand respect for my skepticism that they know God so well that they can make national and state laws for Him; they know Him that well.</p>
<p>I am going to continue to demand that faith based initiative money stop going to their faith, and I’ll back it up by saying that it doesn’t belong in any faith.  I have tried to track the money that has gone to evangelicals and compare it to other faiths.  Because of President Bush’s executive order to start this faith based initiative, the bookkeeping for this money is not overseen by Congress in an organized way.</p>
<p>Millions upon millions of US tax dollars have gone for this faith based, anti-science, teen bootcamp, God infused sexual identity healing, abstinence only, pray your way to healing ministry.  And these ministries are held in big buildings built by tax dollars.  Each of these tax supported ministries needs to be accounted for.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Because in their minds, God chose to give them this money.  God chose these programs.  God annointed these ministers.<br />
Ministers of youth<br />
Ministers of education<br />
Ministers of drug education and healing<br />
Ministers of women’s issues</p>
<p>And they get paid with tax dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We’d better be one brilliant chorus.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;———-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As EW has written, they get to choose.&lt;br /&gt;
The thing is, they are sure that they didn’t choose this, God did.&lt;br /&gt;
God is in control.&lt;br /&gt;
God brought Sarah safely back to Alaska to give birth to her precious baby.&lt;br /&gt;
God has brought forth Bristol as an example for the world.&lt;br /&gt;
They are His vessels for His plan.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We’d better be one brilliant chorus.</p>
<p>———-</p>
<p>As EW has written, they get to choose.<br />
The thing is, they are sure that they didn’t choose this, God did.<br />
God is in control.<br />
God brought Sarah safely back to Alaska to give birth to her precious baby.<br />
God has brought forth Bristol as an example for the world.<br />
They are His vessels for His plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Female Evangelical Archetype&lt;br /&gt;
- played out for us in two of its phases&lt;br /&gt;
- we are the chorus&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, this evangelical archetype will show the world that in this culture (and in their minds it’s God’s culture) women put children in their fetal forms first.  Always.  The thrill in their voices as they gush about this on talk radio is palpable.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you find your right wing stations and listen, you’ll hear them gush, condescend toward liberals and wonder, Gee, how will Sarah do all of this.  She’s so NORMAL. (This was the meme put out by the host and they took it and ran with it.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I actually heard one woman say Sarah must be one special woman: five kids, one with special needs and teenagers, one of them having a baby herself.  It’s amazing that four months after giving birth she’s been plucked out (a trained ear hears BY GOD) to have the second most important job in the world.  The woman went on to say, “Sometimes, I’m overwhelmed and I only have two kids.”  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;wait for it&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Sarah must be very special to have been given this opportunity.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And off we go on another evangelical ride. Perfectly orchestrated.  Last time, God called W, this time He’s called the amazing Sarah.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They’ve suspended the power of disbelief again.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We better be one brilliant chorus.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Female Evangelical Archetype<br />
- played out for us in two of its phases<br />
- we are the chorus</p>
<p>Yes, this evangelical archetype will show the world that in this culture (and in their minds it’s God’s culture) women put children in their fetal forms first.  Always.  The thrill in their voices as they gush about this on talk radio is palpable.  </p>
<p>If you find your right wing stations and listen, you’ll hear them gush, condescend toward liberals and wonder, Gee, how will Sarah do all of this.  She’s so NORMAL. (This was the meme put out by the host and they took it and ran with it.)</p>
<p>I actually heard one woman say Sarah must be one special woman: five kids, one with special needs and teenagers, one of them having a baby herself.  It’s amazing that four months after giving birth she’s been plucked out (a trained ear hears BY GOD) to have the second most important job in the world.  The woman went on to say, “Sometimes, I’m overwhelmed and I only have two kids.”  </p>
<p>wait for it</p>
<p>“Sarah must be very special to have been given this opportunity.”</p>
<p>And off we go on another evangelical ride. Perfectly orchestrated.  Last time, God called W, this time He’s called the amazing Sarah.</p>
<p>They’ve suspended the power of disbelief again.  </p>
<p>We better be one brilliant chorus.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Does she understand what the function of the press is?” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course. The function of the press is to do as they are told. They are not to be curious, or suspicious. And they must never, ever, think for themselves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Does she understand what the function of the press is?” </p>
<p>Of course. The function of the press is to do as they are told. They are not to be curious, or suspicious. And they must never, ever, think for themselves.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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