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	<title>Comments on: Is THIS Why Congress Folded on FISA?!?!?</title>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/01/is-this-why-congress-folded-on-fisa/comment-page-1/#comment-97566</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you’re gonna swear to uphold the law and the Constitution, it really helps if you know what that is.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the problem with this statement is that everyone from david addington to barak obama are counter examples.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;imo, the issue is not only about knowing the law and the constitution, it’s about accountability and checks and balances - and what happens when we don’t done have any.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you’re gonna swear to uphold the law and the Constitution, it really helps if you know what that is.</p>
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<p>the problem with this statement is that everyone from david addington to barak obama are counter examples.</p>
<p>imo, the issue is not only about knowing the law and the constitution, it’s about accountability and checks and balances &#8211; and what happens when we don’t done have any.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn in MA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn in MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i’m quoting you on that - brilliant.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i’m quoting you on that &#8211; brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: orionATL</title>
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		<dc:creator>orionATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;to  me, this is a very murky story so far.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;some questions come to mind:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) the first thing that comes to mind when someone keeps important docs close to their person is that these docs are viewed as extremely important to that individual - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;kind of like not leaving your winning lottery ticket lying on your bureau when you go to work the next morning. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;were these docs protection for gonzales?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2) might gonzales have acted out of loyalty to bush (keeping the info very close to home) or out of an attorney’s sense of obligation to a client (the prez)?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3)how can a white house and an admin that has been so cavalier about proper handling of classified docs suddenly become so concerned about what seems a rather trivial violation by a very high level admin official - so doing does suggest that gonzales was being pushed out, maybe framed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but why? just to get rid of him?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and why did gonzales so adamantly refuse to resign as AG for so long?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;something’s missing from this picture.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to  me, this is a very murky story so far.</p>
<p>some questions come to mind:</p>
<p>1) the first thing that comes to mind when someone keeps important docs close to their person is that these docs are viewed as extremely important to that individual &#8211; </p>
<p>kind of like not leaving your winning lottery ticket lying on your bureau when you go to work the next morning. </p>
<p>were these docs protection for gonzales?</p>
<p>2) might gonzales have acted out of loyalty to bush (keeping the info very close to home) or out of an attorney’s sense of obligation to a client (the prez)?</p>
<p>3)how can a white house and an admin that has been so cavalier about proper handling of classified docs suddenly become so concerned about what seems a rather trivial violation by a very high level admin official &#8211; so doing does suggest that gonzales was being pushed out, maybe framed.</p>
<p>but why? just to get rid of him?</p>
<p>and why did gonzales so adamantly refuse to resign as AG for so long?  </p>
<p>something’s missing from this picture.</p>
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		<title>By: FormerFed</title>
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		<dc:creator>FormerFed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rayne, a SCIF is a specially constructed facility for the storage and use of SCI material. Normally they are relatively small in size but are extremely well protected. Completely shielded and secure, they are as close to impenetrable as can be constructed. At least they used to be, I am not current on this subject.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rayne, a SCIF is a specially constructed facility for the storage and use of SCI material. Normally they are relatively small in size but are extremely well protected. Completely shielded and secure, they are as close to impenetrable as can be constructed. At least they used to be, I am not current on this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: WilliamOckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>WilliamOckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The report is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/s0809/final.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (pdf).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The report is <a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/s0809/final.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a> (pdf).</p>
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		<title>By: danps</title>
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		<dc:creator>danps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Marcy.  What purpose does it serve Gonzales to leak that he illegaly transported classified documents?  To make others think he could have made copies &amp; has the goods on them?  It seems like you could demolish that argument pretty quickly since he could have doctored them or swapped out an entirely different set of notes in to the dossier.  The fact that they left the building means nothing in them has the slightest credibilty right?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marcy.  What purpose does it serve Gonzales to leak that he illegaly transported classified documents?  To make others think he could have made copies &amp; has the goods on them?  It seems like you could demolish that argument pretty quickly since he could have doctored them or swapped out an entirely different set of notes in to the dossier.  The fact that they left the building means nothing in them has the slightest credibilty right?</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What was I thinking&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was I thinking</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Officer I am just following the example of AGAG  Scooter Libby and the rest of the Bush administration.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Officer I am just following the example of AGAG  Scooter Libby and the rest of the Bush administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks EW.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Really like to think about the moment Mrs. Ashcroft stuck out her tongue as Ashcroft and Card left the hospital room with their tails between their legs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;          “Suddenly, Gonzales and Card came in the room and announced that they were there in connection with the classified program. “Ashcroft, who looked like he was near death, sort of puffed up his chest,” Goldsmith recalls. “All of a sudden, energy and color came into his face, and he said that he didn’t appreciate them coming to visit him under those circumstances, that he had concerns about the matter they were asking about and that, in any event, he wasn’t the attorney general at the moment; Jim Comey was. He actually gave a two-minute speech, and I was sure at the end of it he was going to die. It was the most amazing scene I’ve ever witnessed.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After a bit of silence, Goldsmith told me, Gonzales thanked Ashcroft, and he and Card walked out of the room. “At that moment,” Goldsmith recalled, “Mrs. Ashcroft, who obviously couldn’t believe what she saw happening to her sick husband, looked at Gonzales and Card as they walked out of the room and stuck her tongue out at them. She had no idea what we were discussing, but this sweet-looking woman sticking out her tongue was the ultimate expression of disapproval. It captured the feeling in the room perfectly.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/004061.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi.....004061.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So if this is true Pelosi was concerned about the legality of the program.  What a position to be in when you can not talk about the classified issues.  What is the procedure if a Senator or Congress person becomes deeply concerned about the legality of the program, yet can not talk about it.  How do they object within the process?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Comey made me believe in our system just a bit during his testimony.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks EW.  </p>
<p>Really like to think about the moment Mrs. Ashcroft stuck out her tongue as Ashcroft and Card left the hospital room with their tails between their legs.</p>
<p>          “Suddenly, Gonzales and Card came in the room and announced that they were there in connection with the classified program. “Ashcroft, who looked like he was near death, sort of puffed up his chest,” Goldsmith recalls. “All of a sudden, energy and color came into his face, and he said that he didn’t appreciate them coming to visit him under those circumstances, that he had concerns about the matter they were asking about and that, in any event, he wasn’t the attorney general at the moment; Jim Comey was. He actually gave a two-minute speech, and I was sure at the end of it he was going to die. It was the most amazing scene I’ve ever witnessed.”</p>
<p>After a bit of silence, Goldsmith told me, Gonzales thanked Ashcroft, and he and Card walked out of the room. “At that moment,” Goldsmith recalled, “Mrs. Ashcroft, who obviously couldn’t believe what she saw happening to her sick husband, looked at Gonzales and Card as they walked out of the room and stuck her tongue out at them. She had no idea what we were discussing, but this sweet-looking woman sticking out her tongue was the ultimate expression of disapproval. It captured the feeling in the room perfectly.”</p>
<p><a href="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/004061.php" rel="nofollow">http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi&#8230;..004061.php</a></p>
<p>So if this is true Pelosi was concerned about the legality of the program.  What a position to be in when you can not talk about the classified issues.  What is the procedure if a Senator or Congress person becomes deeply concerned about the legality of the program, yet can not talk about it.  How do they object within the process?  </p>
<p>Comey made me believe in our system just a bit during his testimony.</p>
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		<title>By: AZ Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>AZ Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are assuming there are rules.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are assuming there are rules.</p>
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