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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Leen,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think the party had to get through the “building unity” at the convention.  I think and hope the illegal actions of Bush-Cheney and their party will be issues “a-plenty” to address for the upcoming months.(Not to mention to start addressing during the Republican Convention week.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Additionally, I think Congress needs to make some more moves for the Bush-Cheney-McCain Republican Iraq crimes to arrive at the effective moment of acountability; otherwise, our accountability will backlash.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leen,</p>
<p>I think the party had to get through the “building unity” at the convention.  I think and hope the illegal actions of Bush-Cheney and their party will be issues “a-plenty” to address for the upcoming months.(Not to mention to start addressing during the Republican Convention week.)</p>
<p>Additionally, I think Congress needs to make some more moves for the Bush-Cheney-McCain Republican Iraq crimes to arrive at the effective moment of acountability; otherwise, our accountability will backlash.</p>
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		<title>By: chiefeditor</title>
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		<dc:creator>chiefeditor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How much ass does he kick? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.entertonement.com/collections/2612/Joe-Biden-2008-DNC-Address&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MP3 highlights from his address are up here.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much ass does he kick? <a href="http://www.entertonement.com/collections/2612/Joe-Biden-2008-DNC-Address" rel="nofollow">MP3 highlights from his address are up here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I thought Biden’s speech lacked his punch that we are often witness to when Biden is speaking from the Senate floor.  I thought it lacked his fire in the belly quality.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Biden’s speech lacked his punch that we are often witness to when Biden is speaking from the Senate floor.  I thought it lacked his fire in the belly quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you are right they are focused on the idea of levelling the playing field.  But how can you really go out on the playing field without recognizing the blood we (as a nation) are wading through.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have been witness to the destruction of another country (Iraq) who did not do anything to us.  We have witnessed (well the MSM has not shown many images of dead or injured Iraqi people) the deaths of according to the Lancet report over a million people in Iraq as a direct consequence of the invasion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While we are looking (hopefully) at a new chapter in our nation how in the hell can we truly move forward without acknowledging this disaster and crimes that have been committed and holding those responsible accountable?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know denial is a strong state of mind, but this is insane.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are right they are focused on the idea of levelling the playing field.  But how can you really go out on the playing field without recognizing the blood we (as a nation) are wading through.</p>
<p>We have been witness to the destruction of another country (Iraq) who did not do anything to us.  We have witnessed (well the MSM has not shown many images of dead or injured Iraqi people) the deaths of according to the Lancet report over a million people in Iraq as a direct consequence of the invasion.</p>
<p>While we are looking (hopefully) at a new chapter in our nation how in the hell can we truly move forward without acknowledging this disaster and crimes that have been committed and holding those responsible accountable?</p>
<p>I know denial is a strong state of mind, but this is insane.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Many folks here (there seems to be quite a few folks around this neighborhood who do not like Chris Matthews) are not going to like what I am about to share.  At the MSNBV live broadcast near Union Station in Denver Chris Matthews was the only one to hammer away on the Democrats for avoiding the “red meat” issues that some Americans are pissed about.  The lies repeated by the Bush administration running up to the invasion of Iraq, the torture, the unnecessary deaths, the illegal wiretapping, the undermining of the Dept of Justice.  Sorry to have to say this folks but he was the only one (not even Rachel or Keith) came close to pounding these issues as hard as Matthews did.  I am telling you Matthews has been seething underneath his skin about these issues.  He hammered hard on the Dems last night for avoiding these issues. Matthews mixed it up with the peasants again yesterday.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Olberman still did not come down and mix it up with the peons. Although many continued to call out for “keith”  This news god sure seems to be completely inaccessible to his base.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Going to Invesco field today will share later.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many folks here (there seems to be quite a few folks around this neighborhood who do not like Chris Matthews) are not going to like what I am about to share.  At the MSNBV live broadcast near Union Station in Denver Chris Matthews was the only one to hammer away on the Democrats for avoiding the “red meat” issues that some Americans are pissed about.  The lies repeated by the Bush administration running up to the invasion of Iraq, the torture, the unnecessary deaths, the illegal wiretapping, the undermining of the Dept of Justice.  Sorry to have to say this folks but he was the only one (not even Rachel or Keith) came close to pounding these issues as hard as Matthews did.  I am telling you Matthews has been seething underneath his skin about these issues.  He hammered hard on the Dems last night for avoiding these issues. Matthews mixed it up with the peasants again yesterday.</p>
<p>Olberman still did not come down and mix it up with the peons. Although many continued to call out for “keith”  This news god sure seems to be completely inaccessible to his base.</p>
<p>Going to Invesco field today will share later.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have been saying for years that our nation needs to be forced by the International community into a 12 step program.  We are going to be trying to clean up after a dry drunk and company for a long long time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Obama campaign is going to have a difficult time convincing older white (salt of the earth type women) to get on his bus.  Many of them that I have talked with (focusing on women over 65) feel that he “cut up to the front of the line” and went to the front without paying his dues (the way they have and the way they feel Hillary has).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Talking to many women who had to work in the 50’s and 60’s (factories in Ohio, Michigan).  They were unable to stay home with their children (the way Michelle’s mom was with her two children).  These womens children were unable to access Harvard and Princeton (even if they cut the grades).  MSNBC’s Mike Barnacle hit the nail on the head when he said “there is resentment out there” amongst blue collar white people especially in regard to “affirmative action”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been saying for years that our nation needs to be forced by the International community into a 12 step program.  We are going to be trying to clean up after a dry drunk and company for a long long time.</p>
<p>The Obama campaign is going to have a difficult time convincing older white (salt of the earth type women) to get on his bus.  Many of them that I have talked with (focusing on women over 65) feel that he “cut up to the front of the line” and went to the front without paying his dues (the way they have and the way they feel Hillary has).</p>
<p>Talking to many women who had to work in the 50’s and 60’s (factories in Ohio, Michigan).  They were unable to stay home with their children (the way Michelle’s mom was with her two children).  These womens children were unable to access Harvard and Princeton (even if they cut the grades).  MSNBC’s Mike Barnacle hit the nail on the head when he said “there is resentment out there” amongst blue collar white people especially in regard to “affirmative action”.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;WO,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You will have to watch Pres. Clinton’s speech.  Of all people, you will appreciate it completely.  He left the talking heads literally speechless because it was so eloquent.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;bmaz @ 39 caught a great example of it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think the Democrats hooked on to something in this convention. The themes: (1)It is not about the party, or candidate but about helping one another and our nation through change, (2) Equality, equality, equality - all people are created equal and deserve equal, and (3) Believe it or not, family values…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mama Biden is going to be the next Miss Lillian…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WO,</p>
<p>You will have to watch Pres. Clinton’s speech.  Of all people, you will appreciate it completely.  He left the talking heads literally speechless because it was so eloquent.</p>
<p>bmaz @ 39 caught a great example of it.</p>
<p>I think the Democrats hooked on to something in this convention. The themes: (1)It is not about the party, or candidate but about helping one another and our nation through change, (2) Equality, equality, equality &#8211; all people are created equal and deserve equal, and (3) Believe it or not, family values…</p>
<p>Mama Biden is going to be the next Miss Lillian…</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
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		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s exactly what I was thinking when I read EWs post. No one is perfect, certainly not families, no matter how hard we try. We can’t always submerge our own needs and desires to the needs and desires of others, and finding the right balance is hard. In fact, it’s unlikely we will. We just have to keep plugging away at it, assuming that everyone else is doing the same thing, because that’s the most likely way to get good results.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s exactly what I was thinking when I read EWs post. No one is perfect, certainly not families, no matter how hard we try. We can’t always submerge our own needs and desires to the needs and desires of others, and finding the right balance is hard. In fact, it’s unlikely we will. We just have to keep plugging away at it, assuming that everyone else is doing the same thing, because that’s the most likely way to get good results.</p>
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		<title>By: wavpeac</title>
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		<dc:creator>wavpeac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have come to believe that the term “dysfunctional” is just another word for “human”. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was proud and felt that the Clintons finally got some of the respect they deserve for the clinton years. No they weren’t perfect but they were the only dems to win two terms in over 60 years in on of the most hostile and corupt environments there has ever been. Still, when I think of whitewater, 6 years, 56 million, Ken Starr and the effect that had on the Clinton image, long before Clinton was caught lying…makes me crazy. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If felt like instead of shame for being a democrat, we got to have a little pride back!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I thought Obama’s looked like “the leader” at the end and that was lovely.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have come to believe that the term “dysfunctional” is just another word for “human”. </p>
<p>I was proud and felt that the Clintons finally got some of the respect they deserve for the clinton years. No they weren’t perfect but they were the only dems to win two terms in over 60 years in on of the most hostile and corupt environments there has ever been. Still, when I think of whitewater, 6 years, 56 million, Ken Starr and the effect that had on the Clinton image, long before Clinton was caught lying…makes me crazy. </p>
<p>If felt like instead of shame for being a democrat, we got to have a little pride back!</p>
<p>I thought Obama’s looked like “the leader” at the end and that was lovely.</p>
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		<title>By: GulfCoastPirate</title>
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		<dc:creator>GulfCoastPirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Bmaz,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree. Definitely the money part and hits on the same theme as Naomi Klein in her recent book.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have a question from a couple threads back that you may be able to answer (as usual, I’m playing catch-up).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The judge that ruled against the administration on the privilege claims. How does it work if Congress doesn’t have enough time to pursue this to the end this session? Does a new Congress have to start over from scratch going through the same court procedures or have certain things been established that don’t need to be relitigated? If any of these people are found to have committed crimes are there any statute of limitations problems? What happens if a new president decides he doesn’t want to claim these privileges - does Bush have the right to prevent testimony of his aides in future Congresses or does his ability to control their testimony end in January?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry if some of this has been discussed before but I missed it and these are questions that I routinely have when I see you folks discussing some of these issues.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bmaz,</p>
<p>I agree. Definitely the money part and hits on the same theme as Naomi Klein in her recent book.</p>
<p>I have a question from a couple threads back that you may be able to answer (as usual, I’m playing catch-up).</p>
<p>The judge that ruled against the administration on the privilege claims. How does it work if Congress doesn’t have enough time to pursue this to the end this session? Does a new Congress have to start over from scratch going through the same court procedures or have certain things been established that don’t need to be relitigated? If any of these people are found to have committed crimes are there any statute of limitations problems? What happens if a new president decides he doesn’t want to claim these privileges &#8211; does Bush have the right to prevent testimony of his aides in future Congresses or does his ability to control their testimony end in January?</p>
<p>Sorry if some of this has been discussed before but I missed it and these are questions that I routinely have when I see you folks discussing some of these issues.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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