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	<title>Comments on: Denied! Bates Refuses to Stay Order in Miers/Bolten Suit</title>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/denied-bates-refuses-to-stay-order-in-miersbolten-suit/#comment-96685</link>
		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;–I imagine David Addington is having fits right now. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s probably pretty scary to witness.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>–I imagine David Addington is having fits right now. </p>
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<p>That’s probably pretty scary to witness.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/denied-bates-refuses-to-stay-order-in-miersbolten-suit/#comment-96512</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I appreciate that and your linking, and there are some great ideas and writing at Kos, and Kagro is always interesting.  But actually, all that Bates order and memo opinion requires of Miers and Bolten is that they show up and with each and every question state they are (however egregiously wrong and stupidly frankly) invoking privilege–and since they have the Executive Behind them they will invoke privileges that the opinion says they can’t.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I personally expect DOJ to appeal Bates’ assertion this isn’t an appealable order.  I say this because I know how the appellate teams work at Main Justice, and particularly how they work when they think their is a clash between two branches of government and they can make new law.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate that and your linking, and there are some great ideas and writing at Kos, and Kagro is always interesting.  But actually, all that Bates order and memo opinion requires of Miers and Bolten is that they show up and with each and every question state they are (however egregiously wrong and stupidly frankly) invoking privilege–and since they have the Executive Behind them they will invoke privileges that the opinion says they can’t.</p>
<p>I personally expect DOJ to appeal Bates’ assertion this isn’t an appealable order.  I say this because I know how the appellate teams work at Main Justice, and particularly how they work when they think their is a clash between two branches of government and they can make new law.</p>
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		<title>By: ekhornbeck</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/denied-bates-refuses-to-stay-order-in-miersbolten-suit/#comment-96482</link>
		<dc:creator>ekhornbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well I certainly hope so.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I certainly hope so.</p>
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		<title>By: ekhornbeck</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/denied-bates-refuses-to-stay-order-in-miersbolten-suit/#comment-96481</link>
		<dc:creator>ekhornbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, I agree.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My point was to provide a link to the KagroX piece and convey his conclusions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m sorry I didn’t notice the blockquote button that might have made that clear.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I agree.</p>
<p>My point was to provide a link to the KagroX piece and convey his conclusions.</p>
<p>I’m sorry I didn’t notice the blockquote button that might have made that clear.</p>
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		<title>By: ekhornbeck</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/denied-bates-refuses-to-stay-order-in-miersbolten-suit/#comment-96480</link>
		<dc:creator>ekhornbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And who are you number 12?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am number 6.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And who are you number 12?</p>
<p>I am number 6.</p>
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		<title>By: ekhornbeck</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/denied-bates-refuses-to-stay-order-in-miersbolten-suit/#comment-96479</link>
		<dc:creator>ekhornbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My my.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That was exceptionally hostile.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How about clicking every link?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As mine clearly shows it is “jury rigged” and not “jerry rigged”.  I &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;do&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; read, I don’t necessarily call people out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You could look it up, except you didn’t.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And who cares about extra comments anyway?  It’s a sign of activity.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My my.</p>
<p>That was exceptionally hostile.</p>
<p>How about clicking every link?</p>
<p>As mine clearly shows it is “jury rigged” and not “jerry rigged”.  I <em><strong>do</strong></em> read, I don’t necessarily call people out.</p>
<p>You could look it up, except you didn’t.</p>
<p>And who cares about extra comments anyway?  It’s a sign of activity.</p>
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		<title>By: yonodeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonodeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Origins and distinctions of meaning of &lt;em&gt;-rig&lt;/em&gt; terms get muddled, as written about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-jur1.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. (Here are Dictionary.com results for &lt;a href=&quot;http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jerry-rig&amp;x=33&amp;y=16&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jerry-rig&lt;/a&gt;,  for &lt;a href=&quot;http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jury-rig&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jury-rig&lt;/a&gt;, and for &lt;a href=&quot;http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rig&amp;x=35&amp;y=11&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rig&lt;/a&gt;.) And there’s a &lt;em&gt;-rig&lt;/em&gt; term having a pre-&lt;em&gt;rig&lt;/em&gt; word that, in many instances of usage, would be considered racist by most readers or hearers. I find that &lt;em&gt;rig&lt;/em&gt; and its forms suffice with some context.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Origins and distinctions of meaning of <em>-rig</em> terms get muddled, as written about <a href="http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-jur1.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>. (Here are Dictionary.com results for <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jerry-rig&amp;x=33&amp;y=16" rel="nofollow">jerry-rig</a>,  for <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jury-rig" rel="nofollow">jury-rig</a>, and for <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rig&amp;x=35&amp;y=11" rel="nofollow">rig</a>.) And there’s a <em>-rig</em> term having a pre-<em>rig</em> word that, in many instances of usage, would be considered racist by most readers or hearers. I find that <em>rig</em> and its forms suffice with some context.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/denied-bates-refuses-to-stay-order-in-miersbolten-suit/#comment-96469</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bates ordered the release of documents and I fully expect the White House to hide them or obfuscate in some other way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bates’ opinion:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Court will deny the Executive’s request for a stay,”  “Hence, the Executive should respond to the document aspect of the subpoenas by producing non-privileged material and identifying more specifically the materials it is withholding on a claim of executive privilege.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bates ordered the release of documents and I fully expect the White House to hide them or obfuscate in some other way.</p>
<p>Bates’ opinion:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Court will deny the Executive’s request for a stay,”  “Hence, the Executive should respond to the document aspect of the subpoenas by producing non-privileged material and identifying more specifically the materials it is withholding on a claim of executive privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/denied-bates-refuses-to-stay-order-in-miersbolten-suit/#comment-96467</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fielding’s letter to Conyers on Friday said this, but shorter Fielding:  “Screw you and your committee; we want them to speak to you rather than testify in secret, with no oath and no transcript.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Toward that end, and hopefully as a prelude to meaningful discussions between us, I propose that members of our respective staffs meet as early as next week to re-commence discussing possibilities for reaching an accommodation between the Branches in this matter,” Fielding wrote Friday in his letter to Conyers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“As I know you appreciate, this litigation is very important in determining constitutional contours governing certain relations between the Executive and Legislative Branches in the Congressional oversight setting,” Fielding wrote. “Accordingly, the Department of Justice has now filed an appeal in this matter, and is also seeking a stay of the decision pending review by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;“That course of action will provide appellate consideration of the novel questions at stake in this matter and will enable the parties to obtain, if it should prove necessary, a final decision in this important matter…However, the fact that the Executive has notice an appeal in this matter does not signify that we think further litigation is the exclusive path forward.”&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fielding’s letter to Conyers on Friday said this, but shorter Fielding:  “Screw you and your committee; we want them to speak to you rather than testify in secret, with no oath and no transcript.”</p>
<p>“Toward that end, and hopefully as a prelude to meaningful discussions between us, I propose that members of our respective staffs meet as early as next week to re-commence discussing possibilities for reaching an accommodation between the Branches in this matter,” Fielding wrote Friday in his letter to Conyers.</p>
<p>“As I know you appreciate, this litigation is very important in determining constitutional contours governing certain relations between the Executive and Legislative Branches in the Congressional oversight setting,” Fielding wrote. “Accordingly, the Department of Justice has now filed an appeal in this matter, and is also seeking a stay of the decision pending review by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit.</p>
<p><strong>“That course of action will provide appellate consideration of the novel questions at stake in this matter and will enable the parties to obtain, if it should prove necessary, a final decision in this important matter…However, the fact that the Executive has notice an appeal in this matter does not signify that we think further litigation is the exclusive path forward.”</strong></p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/denied-bates-refuses-to-stay-order-in-miersbolten-suit/#comment-96466</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Forthwith.  Let’s say it again; Forthwith.  That means fucking now Mr. Conyers, Ms. Pelosi et.al.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forthwith.  Let’s say it again; Forthwith.  That means fucking now Mr. Conyers, Ms. Pelosi et.al.</p>
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