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		<title>By: R.H. Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.H. Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks to both of you(you and bmaz). I don’t yet know how to do things like this for myself, like what descriptors to use. I was aware of Novak’s cover story on this, as well as his claim to have found the name,Plame, in Who’s Who. It is there;I looked it up, but the use of “Plame” instead of Valerie (or Mrs) Wilson didn’t add up (to me) in the overall notion of outing(is that really a word?) her identity as a move to discredit her husband’s published Op-ed. I began to suspect, that she was known to someone from the time before her 1999 marriage, which then led to wondering how she was known, that is, in what capacity. It seems that many others have either speculated along those same lines, or a lot more empty spaces have been infilled since then.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to both of you(you and bmaz). I don’t yet know how to do things like this for myself, like what descriptors to use. I was aware of Novak’s cover story on this, as well as his claim to have found the name,Plame, in Who’s Who. It is there;I looked it up, but the use of “Plame” instead of Valerie (or Mrs) Wilson didn’t add up (to me) in the overall notion of outing(is that really a word?) her identity as a move to discredit her husband’s published Op-ed. I began to suspect, that she was known to someone from the time before her 1999 marriage, which then led to wondering how she was known, that is, in what capacity. It seems that many others have either speculated along those same lines, or a lot more empty spaces have been infilled since then.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;damn, haven’t gotten to risen’s book yet.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but it’s good to know; makes sense of my hunches.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and, yet another slip under….  like postcards passing in the fog….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn, haven’t gotten to risen’s book yet.  </p>
<p>but it’s good to know; makes sense of my hunches.</p>
<p>thanks.</p>
<p>and, yet another slip under….  like postcards passing in the fog….</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;you slipped in under my 92!  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this can get confusing sometimes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you slipped in under my 92!  </p>
<p>this can get confusing sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Risen’s book, at least to me took it pretty near, if not all the way to, Valerie, whether that implies Brewster-Jennings or not too, i have no idea.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Risen’s book, at least to me took it pretty near, if not all the way to, Valerie, whether that implies Brewster-Jennings or not too, i have no idea.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bmaz, see my 89 quote from novak’s column.  at least, this is what novak printed as happening.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;harlow’s account differs, as far as i know, only in that he has said he checked her status after the first conversation, and then called novak back to reiterate that her name should not be used:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/26/AR2005072602069_pf.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....69_pf.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bmaz, see my 89 quote from novak’s column.  at least, this is what novak printed as happening.  </p>
<p>harlow’s account differs, as far as i know, only in that he has said he checked her status after the first conversation, and then called novak back to reiterate that her name should not be used:<br /><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/26/AR2005072602069_pf.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/&#8230;..69_pf.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That is correct, but I think Harlow’s version was slightly different; whatever I was recollecting, correctly or incorrectly, would have been from Harlow, not Novak.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is correct, but I think Harlow’s version was slightly different; whatever I was recollecting, correctly or incorrectly, would have been from Harlow, not Novak.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/25/we-have-met-the-wmd-terrorists-and-they-are-us/comment-page-1/#comment-96284</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hey, me too, but only sort of; it seemed to be there was some reliability to the source, but i didn’t bookmark it (or if i did, it was lost in the great hard drive crash of last spring).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;in any case, i decided to google this too, and guess what i came up with.  larisa was on this back then, and - as luck or providence would have it - just ran across a confirmation from none other than scott ritter:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atlargely.com/2008/08/cant-find-wmd-i.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.atlargely.com/2008/.....wmd-i.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the way the story rolls, it doesn’t lead one to any role from brewster-jennings.  but, it doesn’t rule it out, either&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, me too, but only sort of; it seemed to be there was some reliability to the source, but i didn’t bookmark it (or if i did, it was lost in the great hard drive crash of last spring).</p>
<p>in any case, i decided to google this too, and guess what i came up with.  larisa was on this back then, and &#8211; as luck or providence would have it &#8211; just ran across a confirmation from none other than scott ritter:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.atlargely.com/2008/08/cant-find-wmd-i.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.atlargely.com/2008/&#8230;..wmd-i.html</a></p>
<p>the way the story rolls, it doesn’t lead one to any role from brewster-jennings.  but, it doesn’t rule it out, either</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;zowee, that’s one for the headmistress. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but, if memory serves, novak put that very statement (in so many words) in a column.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;googled, wiki:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In “The CIA Leak,” published on October 1, 2003, Novak describes how he had obtained the information for his July 14, 2003, column “Mission to Niger”:&lt;br /&gt;
During a long conversation with a senior administration official, I asked why Wilson was assigned the mission to Niger. He said Wilson had been sent by the CIA’s counter-proliferation section at the suggestion of one of its employees, his wife. It was an offhand revelation from this official, who is no partisan gunslinger. When I called another official for confirmation, he said: “Oh, you know about it.” The published report that somebody in the White House failed to plant this story with six reporters and finally found me as a willing pawn is simply untrue. &lt;strong&gt;At the CIA, the official designated to talk to me denied that Wilson’s wife had inspired his selection but said she was delegated to request his help. He asked me not to use her name, saying she probably never again will be given a foreign assignment but that exposure of her name might cause “difficulties” if she travels abroad. He never suggested to me that Wilson’s wife or anybody else would be endangered. If he had, I would not have used her name.&lt;/strong&gt; I used it in the sixth paragraph of my column because it looked like the missing explanation of an otherwise incredible choice by the CIA for its mission.[52]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zowee, that’s one for the headmistress. </p>
<p>but, if memory serves, novak put that very statement (in so many words) in a column.  </p>
<p>googled, wiki:</p>
<p>In “The CIA Leak,” published on October 1, 2003, Novak describes how he had obtained the information for his July 14, 2003, column “Mission to Niger”:<br />
During a long conversation with a senior administration official, I asked why Wilson was assigned the mission to Niger. He said Wilson had been sent by the CIA’s counter-proliferation section at the suggestion of one of its employees, his wife. It was an offhand revelation from this official, who is no partisan gunslinger. When I called another official for confirmation, he said: “Oh, you know about it.” The published report that somebody in the White House failed to plant this story with six reporters and finally found me as a willing pawn is simply untrue. <strong>At the CIA, the official designated to talk to me denied that Wilson’s wife had inspired his selection but said she was delegated to request his help. He asked me not to use her name, saying she probably never again will be given a foreign assignment but that exposure of her name might cause “difficulties” if she travels abroad. He never suggested to me that Wilson’s wife or anybody else would be endangered. If he had, I would not have used her name.</strong> I used it in the sixth paragraph of my column because it looked like the missing explanation of an otherwise incredible choice by the CIA for its mission.[52]</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;orwell’s nightmare, and we’re livin’ it, absolutely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i like the rugby analogy, but i’d go so far as to add that it’s more than just one game on the field, the concept of teams keeps getting muddied cuz so many players play the ‘winning’ side, and no refs.  hell, there don’t seem to be any rules!  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so as far as i can tell, all will be losers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>orwell’s nightmare, and we’re livin’ it, absolutely.</p>
<p>i like the rugby analogy, but i’d go so far as to add that it’s more than just one game on the field, the concept of teams keeps getting muddied cuz so many players play the ‘winning’ side, and no refs.  hell, there don’t seem to be any rules!  </p>
<p>so as far as i can tell, all will be losers.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen92</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen92</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;ohmercy, i’ve thought for a long time that cheney’s outing of plame was a twofer, shutting wilson up and shutting plame down. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What Wayne Madsen wrote “&lt;a href=&quot;http://qwstnevrythg.blog-city.com/going_blind_over_iran.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Going Blind in Iran&lt;/a&gt;“, circa September 17-18, 2006:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;However, Ney had also stumbled across incriminating evidence tying top Bush administration officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, to the WMD proliferation network — the &lt;i&gt;same intelligence discovered by covert CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson and her Brewster Jennings &amp; Associates (BJ&amp;A) network&lt;/i&gt; in their investigation of arms smuggling routes through Cyprus, South Africa, Turkey, and former Soviet Central Asian states. Zayat’s money laundering reportedly coincided with &lt;b&gt;BJ&amp;A’s investigation of WMD money laundering and sanctions-busting activities in Switzerland&lt;/b&gt;, Cyprus, and the Isle of Man.  Ney’s links to the Middle East arms bazaar also provided the CIA with an important backchannel into Tehran, Damascus, and Baghdad — a backchannel not wanted by the neocons who were anxious to bomb all three capital cities. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The CIA (BJ&amp;A) was about to bite its own tail (the Tinners) in Switzerland?  Cheney had to shut that down by taking out BJ&amp;A (and settling a score with Wilson as the ‘twofer’)?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ney had to go to the can because he had his own channel the the neocons didn’t want?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>ohmercy, i’ve thought for a long time that cheney’s outing of plame was a twofer, shutting wilson up and shutting plame down. </p>
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<p>What Wayne Madsen wrote “<a href="http://qwstnevrythg.blog-city.com/going_blind_over_iran.htm" rel="nofollow">Going Blind in Iran</a>“, circa September 17-18, 2006:</p>
<blockquote><p>However, Ney had also stumbled across incriminating evidence tying top Bush administration officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, to the WMD proliferation network — the <i>same intelligence discovered by covert CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson and her Brewster Jennings &amp; Associates (BJ&amp;A) network</i> in their investigation of arms smuggling routes through Cyprus, South Africa, Turkey, and former Soviet Central Asian states. Zayat’s money laundering reportedly coincided with <b>BJ&amp;A’s investigation of WMD money laundering and sanctions-busting activities in Switzerland</b>, Cyprus, and the Isle of Man.  Ney’s links to the Middle East arms bazaar also provided the CIA with an important backchannel into Tehran, Damascus, and Baghdad — a backchannel not wanted by the neocons who were anxious to bomb all three capital cities. </p>
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<p>The CIA (BJ&amp;A) was about to bite its own tail (the Tinners) in Switzerland?  Cheney had to shut that down by taking out BJ&amp;A (and settling a score with Wilson as the ‘twofer’)?</p>
<p>Ney had to go to the can because he had his own channel the the neocons didn’t want?</p>
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