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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do you sir,believe that any law or rule requires “release of delegates”?  And I think it’s valid when someone uses a term that is not widely understood to ask for what it means and that’s what I was doing.  I’ve seen you ask for clarification and when people are doing all this bashing Bmaz, it is logical to ask them &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) What do they want in a candidate&lt;br /&gt;
2) Who do they think delivers that bundle of everything in their dreams?&lt;br /&gt;
3) How can they possibly predict with any certainty that x vote in the Senate is going to produce y policy that any administration will need “the Congress” to enact?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have not been anything but respectufl to any other commenter today.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you sir,believe that any law or rule requires “release of delegates”?  And I think it’s valid when someone uses a term that is not widely understood to ask for what it means and that’s what I was doing.  I’ve seen you ask for clarification and when people are doing all this bashing Bmaz, it is logical to ask them </p>
<p>1) What do they want in a candidate<br />
2) Who do they think delivers that bundle of everything in their dreams?<br />
3) How can they possibly predict with any certainty that x vote in the Senate is going to produce y policy that any administration will need “the Congress” to enact?</p>
<p>I have not been anything but respectufl to any other commenter today.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would point out one very popular fiction this week driven by the people in MSM who don’t do any fact checking but are busy preening themselves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is no legal mechanism or DNC rules mechanism for any past primary candidate to “release their delegates.”  The delegates are not  imprisoned, nor or they bound by any contract whatsoever and as Roger Simon and many others at Politico have made clear, this is a fictional kabuki dance.  No candidate has “delegates” to be released anywhere in Denver at this convention.  The concept of released delegates on Wednesday is pure smoke and mirrors for the totally naive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ickes comments are totally false and based on the perception that Americans are stupid and believe that any candidate has to release delegates in order for them to vote for anyone.  There is nothing in the Deomcratic National Committee Rules that says delegates are now bound to any candidate, and Ickes who helped craft them knows that when he talks about delegate release he is stepping on a parts of his anatomy often treated by urologists.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have noticed on many blogs by a supporter of one of the primary candidates that this fiction is being slurped up.  It is total igorance.  No release is real and no release is required whatsoever. It’s fictional kabuki and it will be interesting to see if MSNBC who has had that explictly taught to them and Chicken Noodle Network continue to ignore what Plitico has correctly said on MSNBC’s air.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would point out one very popular fiction this week driven by the people in MSM who don’t do any fact checking but are busy preening themselves.</p>
<p>There is no legal mechanism or DNC rules mechanism for any past primary candidate to “release their delegates.”  The delegates are not  imprisoned, nor or they bound by any contract whatsoever and as Roger Simon and many others at Politico have made clear, this is a fictional kabuki dance.  No candidate has “delegates” to be released anywhere in Denver at this convention.  The concept of released delegates on Wednesday is pure smoke and mirrors for the totally naive.</p>
<p>Ickes comments are totally false and based on the perception that Americans are stupid and believe that any candidate has to release delegates in order for them to vote for anyone.  There is nothing in the Deomcratic National Committee Rules that says delegates are now bound to any candidate, and Ickes who helped craft them knows that when he talks about delegate release he is stepping on a parts of his anatomy often treated by urologists.</p>
<p>I have noticed on many blogs by a supporter of one of the primary candidates that this fiction is being slurped up.  It is total igorance.  No release is real and no release is required whatsoever. It’s fictional kabuki and it will be interesting to see if MSNBC who has had that explictly taught to them and Chicken Noodle Network continue to ignore what Plitico has correctly said on MSNBC’s air.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am going to demonstrate my uncompromising neutral position I have been claiming all along.  BOTH OF YOU - Knock It Off.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to demonstrate my uncompromising neutral position I have been claiming all along.  BOTH OF YOU &#8211; Knock It Off.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m not sure what the Indian reference is too.  I have Indian friends who make terribly valuable contributions in all kinds of jobs.  You wouldn’t spend much time in a teaching hospital without seeing them.  They run major teams at MSFT.  But I don’t know what the 7-11 ref is connected with.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t believe that the Republican Regime we have all grown to hate the last near 8 years though has any analogy in what will become of an Obama-Biden presidency.  A lot of articulate, very bright seasoned people here and now a little bit even in the MSM, certainly in the liberal blogosphere are trackking Obama’s centrist compromises and lists to the center carefully.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just don’t think though we can predict yet with a lot of accuracy that Obama is not going to be an excellent President or Biden won’t be an excellent VP.  I don’t see them as putting together an extremist democratic government if I understand what you mean and by extremist you probably mean lock step centrist votes and issues, the kind Bahy has consistently supported, Sibelius would have, and Chet Edwards has.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am floored by the sentiment that people who supported Democrats now all of a sudden want to support McCain. Wow!  They need to read a little of the FDL tab blogs and the Silo blogs and Cliff Schechter’s book.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not sure what the Indian reference is too.  I have Indian friends who make terribly valuable contributions in all kinds of jobs.  You wouldn’t spend much time in a teaching hospital without seeing them.  They run major teams at MSFT.  But I don’t know what the 7-11 ref is connected with.</p>
<p>I don’t believe that the Republican Regime we have all grown to hate the last near 8 years though has any analogy in what will become of an Obama-Biden presidency.  A lot of articulate, very bright seasoned people here and now a little bit even in the MSM, certainly in the liberal blogosphere are trackking Obama’s centrist compromises and lists to the center carefully.</p>
<p>I just don’t think though we can predict yet with a lot of accuracy that Obama is not going to be an excellent President or Biden won’t be an excellent VP.  I don’t see them as putting together an extremist democratic government if I understand what you mean and by extremist you probably mean lock step centrist votes and issues, the kind Bahy has consistently supported, Sibelius would have, and Chet Edwards has.</p>
<p>I am floored by the sentiment that people who supported Democrats now all of a sudden want to support McCain. Wow!  They need to read a little of the FDL tab blogs and the Silo blogs and Cliff Schechter’s book.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well Sharon, we have had here and at FDL some very detailed comments over the last year from a lot of people on two issues I think need revising.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) The Byzantine way the DNC rules run the primary.  Had their been rotating regional primaries we wouldn’t have had the childish attitude displayed by Senator Levin, Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (whose son’s future as mayor of Detroit is now in Granholm’s hands and she will remove him in September), several union leaders, Debbie Dingell, John Dingell, and a number of other prominent Michigan dems.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They knew they were breaking the rules and they did it anyway.  Florida Dems knew and I know every component of the dynamics that went into the bad choices those two states made.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Work for rotating regional primaries.  The DNC decision was a just one, and further, Obama could have won no matter how those delegates were awarded.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I saw your linked videos.  If Gigi and you and anyone else doesn’t like the DNC rules, no Chinese polica are going to send you to a work camp never to be heard of again if you do what you have to do to change the rules.  But the rules are the rules and if the ArizoneDiamondbacks win a pennant, I don’t think you’ll see Bmaz wanting to reorganize Major League Baseball Rules so that the Dodgers go forward in the playoffs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bitching about it doesn’t get them changed.  They’re byzantine. Work to change the rules if you don’t like the caucuses.  When the caucuses helped Bill Clinton in his runs he didn’t have a scintilla of a peep of a problem with them I might point out nor did his wife.  Not a peep.  Bill Clinton was President for eight years and he made no initiative to change the DNC rules during that time or much after.  The requests to change the rules came when one candidate saw that she was not going to win the primary.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2) I Hope you have real concern about the voting machines.  They are more fragile than you could ever imagine and I mean Diebold has admitted to this in the last few weeks and very few Secretarys of State is moving to change them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From Bloomberg News in May2008:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Michigan Secretary of State Terri Lynn Land decided last year against using these types of machines for that reason, says spokeswoman Kelly Cheney. Michigan averages five to 10 recounts in Congressional and state Legislature races in years when there is also a presidential election and turnout is highest.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you have all the touch screens out of Michigan, Sharon?  Do you have a paper trail for every vote or did Sharon waltz into the booth and use that cute little touch screen?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Sharon, we have had here and at FDL some very detailed comments over the last year from a lot of people on two issues I think need revising.</p>
<p>1) The Byzantine way the DNC rules run the primary.  Had their been rotating regional primaries we wouldn’t have had the childish attitude displayed by Senator Levin, Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (whose son’s future as mayor of Detroit is now in Granholm’s hands and she will remove him in September), several union leaders, Debbie Dingell, John Dingell, and a number of other prominent Michigan dems.</p>
<p>They knew they were breaking the rules and they did it anyway.  Florida Dems knew and I know every component of the dynamics that went into the bad choices those two states made.</p>
<p>Work for rotating regional primaries.  The DNC decision was a just one, and further, Obama could have won no matter how those delegates were awarded.</p>
<p>I saw your linked videos.  If Gigi and you and anyone else doesn’t like the DNC rules, no Chinese polica are going to send you to a work camp never to be heard of again if you do what you have to do to change the rules.  But the rules are the rules and if the ArizoneDiamondbacks win a pennant, I don’t think you’ll see Bmaz wanting to reorganize Major League Baseball Rules so that the Dodgers go forward in the playoffs.</p>
<p>Bitching about it doesn’t get them changed.  They’re byzantine. Work to change the rules if you don’t like the caucuses.  When the caucuses helped Bill Clinton in his runs he didn’t have a scintilla of a peep of a problem with them I might point out nor did his wife.  Not a peep.  Bill Clinton was President for eight years and he made no initiative to change the DNC rules during that time or much after.  The requests to change the rules came when one candidate saw that she was not going to win the primary.</p>
<p>2) I Hope you have real concern about the voting machines.  They are more fragile than you could ever imagine and I mean Diebold has admitted to this in the last few weeks and very few Secretarys of State is moving to change them.</p>
<p>From Bloomberg News in May2008:</p>
<blockquote><p>Michigan Secretary of State Terri Lynn Land decided last year against using these types of machines for that reason, says spokeswoman Kelly Cheney. Michigan averages five to 10 recounts in Congressional and state Legislature races in years when there is also a presidential election and turnout is highest.</p>
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<p>Do you have all the touch screens out of Michigan, Sharon?  Do you have a paper trail for every vote or did Sharon waltz into the booth and use that cute little touch screen?</p>
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		<title>By: SharonMI</title>
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		<dc:creator>SharonMI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry about the 5th grader comment, PetePierce.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: SharonMI</title>
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		<dc:creator>SharonMI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gee, thanks for giving me the chance to respond.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Biden helped the repubs besmirch Anita Hill, and let a neo-con slide into a lifetime Supreme Court appointment. I wasn’t too politically astute back then but I remember what the awful feeling inspired watching that clean, articulate black woman humiliated on national teevee. And I have friends from India who are engineers, not 7-11 owners.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will NOT support corruption by a party calling itself Democratic. The rethugs have turned into such an ugly, extremist party because more sensible, moderate voters who called themselves republicans saw fit to vote for the R candidate letting the extremists take over. I won’t do the same for the “Democrats”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, thanks for giving me the chance to respond.</p>
<p>Biden helped the repubs besmirch Anita Hill, and let a neo-con slide into a lifetime Supreme Court appointment. I wasn’t too politically astute back then but I remember what the awful feeling inspired watching that clean, articulate black woman humiliated on national teevee. And I have friends from India who are engineers, not 7-11 owners.</p>
<p>I will NOT support corruption by a party calling itself Democratic. The rethugs have turned into such an ugly, extremist party because more sensible, moderate voters who called themselves republicans saw fit to vote for the R candidate letting the extremists take over. I won’t do the same for the “Democrats”.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obama’s PAA/FISA was egregious, reprehensible  political calculus to be exact, from a 5th grader’s point of view, correcting for spelling.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama’s PAA/FISA was egregious, reprehensible  political calculus to be exact, from a 5th grader’s point of view, correcting for spelling.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I didn’t say SharonMI didn’t follow EW’s blog, I’ve seen you here before.  What I said was I don’t believe that any PUMAs now in Denver do, and I don’t think you could get much of a discussion out of them on issues Marcy has analyzed.  I wish all of this country were up in arms over the issues Marcy, Bmaz and others choose to work on–what a much better place it would be.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have no idea but I’d be willing to bet that as avid a Hillary supporter that Jeri Merrit is, that Jeri who is hosting many friends in Denver at this moment is not fond of what the PUMAs are doing.  I could be wrong but I’d be surprised. I don’t hear Jeri saying she will not vote and certainly don’t hear her saying she’s going to support Mccain because her first choice isn’t on the ticket.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think Jeri’s seen for years what the government tries to pull in a criminal court room enough to make sure she isn’t suporting McCain or refusing to vote for a Democrat at the end.  I’ve followed her blog on Biden and I agree with her that I would have rather some of his votes went differently.  But almost 35 years in the Senate is a darned long time and no one is going to make you happy with every vote in that amount of time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama’s PAA/FISA revision vote was eggretious political calculus and it was dead wrong.  But that doesn’t make me believe I should become a PUMA.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn’t say SharonMI didn’t follow EW’s blog, I’ve seen you here before.  What I said was I don’t believe that any PUMAs now in Denver do, and I don’t think you could get much of a discussion out of them on issues Marcy has analyzed.  I wish all of this country were up in arms over the issues Marcy, Bmaz and others choose to work on–what a much better place it would be.</p>
<p>I have no idea but I’d be willing to bet that as avid a Hillary supporter that Jeri Merrit is, that Jeri who is hosting many friends in Denver at this moment is not fond of what the PUMAs are doing.  I could be wrong but I’d be surprised. I don’t hear Jeri saying she will not vote and certainly don’t hear her saying she’s going to support Mccain because her first choice isn’t on the ticket.</p>
<p>I think Jeri’s seen for years what the government tries to pull in a criminal court room enough to make sure she isn’t suporting McCain or refusing to vote for a Democrat at the end.  I’ve followed her blog on Biden and I agree with her that I would have rather some of his votes went differently.  But almost 35 years in the Senate is a darned long time and no one is going to make you happy with every vote in that amount of time.</p>
<p>Obama’s PAA/FISA revision vote was eggretious political calculus and it was dead wrong.  But that doesn’t make me believe I should become a PUMA.</p>
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		<title>By: SharonMI</title>
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		<dc:creator>SharonMI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I mean the actions of the RBCs on May 31, 2008 that handed over “uncommitted” MI votes to Obama along with 4 that were specifically for Hillary. The whole pressuring of HRC to quit and the superdelegates to choose before the primary end even as HRC’s numbers were going up and Obama’s were tanking, etc. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean the actions of the RBCs on May 31, 2008 that handed over “uncommitted” MI votes to Obama along with 4 that were specifically for Hillary. The whole pressuring of HRC to quit and the superdelegates to choose before the primary end even as HRC’s numbers were going up and Obama’s were tanking, etc. </p>
<p>And this:<br /><a href="http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm</a></p>
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