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	<title>Comments on: Rolls Royce And The Incomparable Imperialists</title>
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		<title>By: Skilly</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/20/rolls-royce-and-the-incomparable-imperialists/comment-page-1/#comment-95789</link>
		<dc:creator>Skilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nice Post BMAZ. When I try talk to others about my dismay at what the goverment is doing to erode constitutional rights, people offer me the proverbial “tin foil hat”. I think I need to take a tip from two of today’s posts and show less dismay and more pathos. we shall see if that helps&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice Post BMAZ. When I try talk to others about my dismay at what the goverment is doing to erode constitutional rights, people offer me the proverbial “tin foil hat”. I think I need to take a tip from two of today’s posts and show less dismay and more pathos. we shall see if that helps</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/20/rolls-royce-and-the-incomparable-imperialists/comment-page-1/#comment-95764</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Um, yeah, I am an idjit.  As you know, I was the other early and often proponent of just that, and that being the impetus behind the much ballyhooed Ashcroft Hospital Heros fable. I am somewhat embarrassed to admit that I wrote the post, had it sitting there, and had to come back later in the day and put the links in and a picture.  I must have searched for an hour trying to find a decent picture, and then threw the serial links for Lamberth’s good deeds in too quickly.  That was a pretty stupid oversight.  Am going to update with your comment up top, even though it is a bit late.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, yeah, I am an idjit.  As you know, I was the other early and often proponent of just that, and that being the impetus behind the much ballyhooed Ashcroft Hospital Heros fable. I am somewhat embarrassed to admit that I wrote the post, had it sitting there, and had to come back later in the day and put the links in and a picture.  I must have searched for an hour trying to find a decent picture, and then threw the serial links for Lamberth’s good deeds in too quickly.  That was a pretty stupid oversight.  Am going to update with your comment up top, even though it is a bit late.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/20/rolls-royce-and-the-incomparable-imperialists/comment-page-1/#comment-95746</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m glad to see the post give some greatly due recognition to Judge Lamberth.  In addition to what you’ve mentioned, he also made a strong effort via his position with FISCt to try to make DOJ reconsider Teh Program (having the Chief FISCt judge tell DOJ up front that he’s barring the program from tainting his court bc he believes it is unconstitutional makes that ‘good faith’ argument Obama and the Democratic Congress were selling a laugher) and his position, combined with Kollar-Kotelly’s later, probably did more to prevent rampant abuse than anything else.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While he was on it, the FISCt also tried to rule in favor of keeping some kind of limits on the Executive doing the things you are writing about in your FISA posts too (In re Sealed Case).  Unfortunately, there the failings of the FISCt system, with the FISA appellate court being able to “overrule” with no advocate being able to really argue the case against the phalanx of DOJ lawyers, and with a resulting, almost incomprehensible ruling whose dicta has been used support the kind of things we are seeing now and whose ruling could not be appealed (bc the party in interest defendant was never before the court to start with) - - it’s a mess that needs work.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But instead Congress has diligently gone to work to make more of a mess.  And when Congress was offering up the DOJ playbook on how horribly difficult and time consuming it was to try to get a FISCt warrant, Lamberth went out on a limb and, even though Congress did not call him to testify, he made sure it went into the public venue, via some speeches, that he granted FISCt warrants from his car, by phone, as circumstances required, and had been roused in the wee hours of the morning to grant one as well.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He even went further and said that as Chief Justice, briefed on “teh program” he had seen both George Bush’s way and FISA’s way, and FISA was better. And the Democrats in Congress still studiously avoided having him appear to testify, even in closed session.  Lamberth has been the kind of Judge you are forced to respect, even when you don’t always agree.   He’s a judge who believes in the Constitution and believes that lawyers have to be bound by their code of ethics AND by the law, and he’s not too afraid of the neocon machine to put consequences on the table for lawyers who treat his courtroom like a shell game kiosk at a low rent county fair.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m glad to see the post give some greatly due recognition to Judge Lamberth.  In addition to what you’ve mentioned, he also made a strong effort via his position with FISCt to try to make DOJ reconsider Teh Program (having the Chief FISCt judge tell DOJ up front that he’s barring the program from tainting his court bc he believes it is unconstitutional makes that ‘good faith’ argument Obama and the Democratic Congress were selling a laugher) and his position, combined with Kollar-Kotelly’s later, probably did more to prevent rampant abuse than anything else.</p>
<p>While he was on it, the FISCt also tried to rule in favor of keeping some kind of limits on the Executive doing the things you are writing about in your FISA posts too (In re Sealed Case).  Unfortunately, there the failings of the FISCt system, with the FISA appellate court being able to “overrule” with no advocate being able to really argue the case against the phalanx of DOJ lawyers, and with a resulting, almost incomprehensible ruling whose dicta has been used support the kind of things we are seeing now and whose ruling could not be appealed (bc the party in interest defendant was never before the court to start with) &#8211; - it’s a mess that needs work.</p>
<p>But instead Congress has diligently gone to work to make more of a mess.  And when Congress was offering up the DOJ playbook on how horribly difficult and time consuming it was to try to get a FISCt warrant, Lamberth went out on a limb and, even though Congress did not call him to testify, he made sure it went into the public venue, via some speeches, that he granted FISCt warrants from his car, by phone, as circumstances required, and had been roused in the wee hours of the morning to grant one as well.  </p>
<p>He even went further and said that as Chief Justice, briefed on “teh program” he had seen both George Bush’s way and FISA’s way, and FISA was better. And the Democrats in Congress still studiously avoided having him appear to testify, even in closed session.  Lamberth has been the kind of Judge you are forced to respect, even when you don’t always agree.   He’s a judge who believes in the Constitution and believes that lawyers have to be bound by their code of ethics AND by the law, and he’s not too afraid of the neocon machine to put consequences on the table for lawyers who treat his courtroom like a shell game kiosk at a low rent county fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agree.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree.</p>
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		<title>By: plunger</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/20/rolls-royce-and-the-incomparable-imperialists/comment-page-1/#comment-95715</link>
		<dc:creator>plunger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Considering that interpreter and PATRIOT, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.justacitizen.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sibel Edmonds&lt;/a&gt;, nearly brought down their entire globalist criminal conspiracy, singlehandedly, it is no surprise that the Administration would have declared war on those who know how to speak both English and Arabic, after all:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Karl Rove.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“If they were to do real investigations we would see several significant high level criminal prosecutions in this country. And that is something that they are not going to let out. And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that interpreter and PATRIOT, <a href="http://www.justacitizen.com/" rel="nofollow">Sibel Edmonds</a>, nearly brought down their entire globalist criminal conspiracy, singlehandedly, it is no surprise that the Administration would have declared war on those who know how to speak both English and Arabic, after all:</p>
<p>“As people do better, they start voting like Republicans &#8211; unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.” </p>
<p>Karl Rove.</p>
<p>“If they were to do real investigations we would see several significant high level criminal prosecutions in this country. And that is something that they are not going to let out. And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up.”</p>
<p>-Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator</p>
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		<title>By: Bustednuckles</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/20/rolls-royce-and-the-incomparable-imperialists/comment-page-1/#comment-95714</link>
		<dc:creator>Bustednuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 05:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bmaz,&lt;br /&gt;
Ya lucky bastard.&lt;br /&gt;
I did get to stick my head in a  Mercedes Gullwing once.&lt;br /&gt;
I also got to fix a 1933 MG Midget Boat tail, and a few MG TC’s, D’s And F’s.&lt;br /&gt;
You need to tell some stories some time!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bmaz,<br />
Ya lucky bastard.<br />
I did get to stick my head in a  Mercedes Gullwing once.<br />
I also got to fix a 1933 MG Midget Boat tail, and a few MG TC’s, D’s And F’s.<br />
You need to tell some stories some time!</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/20/rolls-royce-and-the-incomparable-imperialists/comment-page-1/#comment-95712</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Now&lt;em&gt; that&lt;/em&gt; is something the Bush Administration actually would subject to years of environmental impact testing, review process, regulation etc.  You know, for the health of the children…..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now<em> that</em> is something the Bush Administration actually would subject to years of environmental impact testing, review process, regulation etc.  You know, for the health of the children…..</p>
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		<title>By: R.H. Green</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/20/rolls-royce-and-the-incomparable-imperialists/comment-page-1/#comment-95711</link>
		<dc:creator>R.H. Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I should have said, “a basis for a right to privacy…”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have said, “a basis for a right to privacy…”.</p>
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		<title>By: R.H. Green</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/20/rolls-royce-and-the-incomparable-imperialists/comment-page-1/#comment-95710</link>
		<dc:creator>R.H. Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The car runs on a self-recharging battery? A perpetual motion machine at last.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The car runs on a self-recharging battery? A perpetual motion machine at last.</p>
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		<title>By: R.H. Green</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/20/rolls-royce-and-the-incomparable-imperialists/comment-page-1/#comment-95708</link>
		<dc:creator>R.H. Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting you should mention privacy. I was just musing yesterday about how Mr Biden is in the news again lately. I recall his questioning Clearance Thomas in his Senate confirmation hearings. Biden was asking whether Thomas could find in the constitution a basis for privacy, and ventured that he (Biden) could not. “Floored” does not describe. Then I began to put Biden together with Delaware, and that with headquarters for corporate America, and …well you know.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting you should mention privacy. I was just musing yesterday about how Mr Biden is in the news again lately. I recall his questioning Clearance Thomas in his Senate confirmation hearings. Biden was asking whether Thomas could find in the constitution a basis for privacy, and ventured that he (Biden) could not. “Floored” does not describe. Then I began to put Biden together with Delaware, and that with headquarters for corporate America, and …well you know.</p>
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