As several of you have noted, there has been a rather significant event at the Gitmo Show Trials. Lt. Colonel Diane M. Zierhoffer, a US Army psychologist who ordered the illegal torture of a juvenile, Mohammad Jawad, invoked her right not to incriminate herself and refused to testify in the case of Mohammad Jawad. She took the Fifth.
Her testimony was sought by defense attorney Maj. David Frakt in a hearing on his motion to dismiss charges based upon government misconduct in using prolonged isolation, sleep deprivation, and other torture techniques against his client in an attempt to make him more pliable in interrogations. Following a month-long isolation, apparently recommended by the military psychologist, Mr. Jawad – who entered Guantánamo as a teenager -- attempted suicide.
The psychologist’s testimony would have marked the first time that a member of the secretive Behavioral Science Consultation Team (known as BSCT or “biscuits”) had been called to testify in a detainee hearing. The BSCT program has been highly controversial among psychologists and other health professionals. The psychologist invoked her rights under Article 31 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the military equivalent of the 5th amendment right against self-incrimination/right to remain silent.
“The fact that the BSCT Psychologist now apparently recognizes that her conduct was criminal in nature is very significant,” said Maj. Frakt. “We have alleged, based on classified government records that the BSCT psychologist's recommendation led directly to the illegal abuse and inhumane treatment of Mohammad Jawad. This invocation of the right to remain silent seems to confirm that.”
“The evidence in this case confirms our worst fears, that military psychologists are working to break down detainee's psyches,” said Dr. Stephen Soldz, an expert psychologist who had been called by Maj. Frakt to testify that the BSCT psychologist had violated the professional credo of “Do no harm.”
Zierhoffer's, and her fellow colleagues in the BSCT biscuit brigade, apparently have an operational definition of "Do no harm" with which I am not familiar. It would appear that "Do no harm" is fully operational as to her own self interest, but not to the humane interests of the powerless vulnerable souls she, and they, are ethically and morally obligated to protect.
The relevant professional association, the American Psychological Association (APA), has been having a fairly interesting internal discussion on how stridently the group will disapprove and sanction the gross ethical failings of the biscuit brigade members. There is also a lot of excellent information and background at the blog Invictus (See: here and here for instance). Invictus is run by a chap known as Valtin, a practicing psychologist in Northern California who is very passionate and dedicated on these issues. It is about time that a professional group is serious about policing the lapses of their own; kudos to the APA members standing up on this issue.
For me though, the more germane interest is in what effect Zierhoffer's, and others that will undoubtedly be following in her footsteps, invocation of the right against self incrimination will have on the Gitmo Show Trial Process, both as to Jawad and subsequent proceedings. i cannot discern that there is any reporting, as of yet, as to how the parties and court are going to deal with the substantial issue of a material fact witness, Zierhoffer, refusing to testify. It should create a profound commotion.
The traditional tried and true response from a competent criminal defense lawyer would be to immediately formally demand on the record that the prosecution provide the necessary level of immunity to negate the witness's self incrimination potential (very much the same concept as has been seen in the Congressional hearings with Monica Goodling; remove their criminal exposure, and they no longer have grounds to refuse testimony). The standard prosecution response to this is "No". The next step is to then move the court to immunize the requisite witness and/or compel the prosecution to do so. The standard response from the court to this motion Is abject denial on the grounds that the court does not have that authority absent a request by the prosecution and, further, lacks the authority and discretion to order the prosecution to make such a request.
Having laid the prerequisite foundation described immediately above, the defense then moves the court to dismiss the charges against the defendant on the grounds that he has been denied his Sixth Amendment Confrontation Clause right to confront and cross examine witnesses and right to compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor. There is a fairly high burden for the defendant to prove that the denied testimony is sufficiently material and central to his defense that he cannot adequately defend himself without it. This is a very simplified explanation and description, but hopefully is sufficient to give an indication of what to expect. The other caveat I would make is that my vignette is taken from a traditional Federal or state criminal case and the "relaxed" rules of procedure and evidence in the Gitmo Show Trials may portend additional problems to the interjection of this type of dismissal motion tactic.
It will be fascinating to see what the full impact of Zierhoffer's refusal to testify is, both as to Jawad and later cases.
One other tangential goody I am going to throw in here just for grins. This again comes from Valtin at Invictus.
The depth and depravity with which the Bush/Cheney neocon warhawk aggressor machine has co-opted and corrupted the institutions, associations and professions that compose the fabric of this nation is simply astounding. The DOJ, the judiciary, the regulatory and administrative agencies and framework, private enterprise. They literally consume and soil every thing they touch. Here at Emptywheel, we have focused mainly on the institutions and, lately, the professions as to lawyers and now doctors and psychologists/psychiatrists. How bad is it, and how far have they gone? Well, now they have swallowed up Indiana Jones too. Yep, the Bushco Borg collective has assimilated the anthropologists. From a report by Hugh Gusterson at the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists:
The Pentagon plans 26 Human Terrain Teams--one for each combat brigade in Iraq and Afghanistan. The five-person teams include three military personnel. Each team also includes an anthropologist--or another social scientist--who will wear a military uniform and receive weapons training. Described as doing "armed social work" by David Kilcullen, an Australian expert in counterinsurgency who advises Gen. David Petraeus in Iraq, the teams elicit information from villagers for Pentagon databases and provide cultural orientation to U.S. military leaders....
Last year, the Executive Board of the American Anthropological Association (AAA) issued a statement condemning the use of anthropologists in Human Terrain Teams....
One cannot grasp AAA's concerns without understanding that anthropologists have a unique research method that brings with it special ethical responsibilities: We engage in what one anthropologist has called "deep hanging out" with people, passing the time with them, often day after day for months, painstakingly earning their trust and getting them to tell us about their worlds. What distinguishes anthropology from espionage (apart from anthropologists' impenetrable jargon) is that we seek the consent of our subjects, and we follow an injunction to do no harm to those we study. According to the anthropological code of ethics, our obligations to those we study trump all others--to colleagues, funders, and nation.
Marvelous. This ought to present a whole new level and meaning to the concept of rewriting history, even for accomplished rewriters like the Bush/Cheney pack of rats. As Valtin observes:
Meanwhile, U.S. Army personnel are showing up at meetings of anthropologists and taking down names and institutional affiliations of anthropologists who had signed a public pledge not to participate in "counter-insurgency operations in Iraq or in related theaters in the 'war on terror,'" believing that "anthropologists should refrain from directly assisting the US military in combat, be it through torture, interrogation, or tactical advice."
The U.S. ruling class's mobilization of all layers of civil society for the fear-driven defense of the nation against "terror," is leading to the militarization of the society as a whole. We are already far down this path... too far, such that many sober observers would already call the United States "fascistic."
I would stop short of making that judgment, but we may be closer to it than anyone would like to think.
Our nation is in a world of hurt, and full public accountability for the malefactors that put us there is a large and necessary part of the cure. We need it now Ms. Pelosi; the sole substantive requirement of your sworn oath to office is to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States". Either quit being derelict in duty, and start honoring your oath and duty, or get out of the way for somebody that will.
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Excellent post, BMAZ.
The recognition of fascism on our own shores is incremental, but it is becoming more evident to more people on a weekly basis.
We all have the obligation to call it by its name.
Valtin is my hero.
Let justice be done and be seen to done.
Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is doing it to whom.
For Dan,
Heather
BMAZ - a really great post in a brand new area of slime (at least for me) from the Bushies.
It confirms some of my long held fears of the military and investigative mindset. These individuals normally act pretty much OK when they have a structured set of rules, regulations, etc. However, when the shackles are removed (in this case by the GWOT, Bush lawyers like Arrington and Gonzo and by senior military leaders like Meyers who turns his eyes away), then these individuals let their baser instincts take over. They naturally justify this to themselves by taking the “we are patriots protecting our country and this a time of war against an unknown and terrorist enemy” line of self justification. Their basic moral structure tossed aside. And very bad things happen.
Keep up the great work!!
I suppose everybody has read Le Carre-acute’s “Absolute Friends” which came out a few years ago, but I just got around to it. The procedures which he describes the Soviets as using on Sasha in the book now sound familiar to us from descriptions of our very own procedures. In fact, the whole last part of the book sounds now as either prescient or very well informed: there’s even a Judith Miller-like ‘Sally’ working for the NYT thrown in at one point.
so one of georgie’s interrogators has sought protection under the Fifth Amendment ???
kinda sounds like we DO torture people
now the torturers have got some legal problems
let’s see who supports these criminal fucks
and who chooses HUMANITY
gonna be real easy to spot the true christians in the near future
if you support george bush and his criminal gang, you ain’t on the side of humanity
who would Jesus torture ???
Bmaz,
deserves to be an individual post. Certainly worthy of standing alone.
and Digg-able, too.
Bmaz you hit the ball out of the park. “our nation is in a world of hurt” (by unnecessarily putting so many others in a world of hurt (Iraqi people our soldiers). The only way out is full ACCOUNTABILITY.
We are demanding nothing less from our justice system and congress that they would apply to the peasants breaking laws.
Both you and Greenwald hit it out of the park today.
When Condi “mushroom cloud” Rice speaks who listens?
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g.....index.html
Forget about assistance to law or the Constitution from Pelosi or any of her ilk on The Hill. They cast their lot with Bushco in 2001, and would face many charges including Misprision of Felony or Misprision of Treason if the true depth and breadth of law breaking comes out in any meaningful way. If it did, the USofA would either have to build a multiplex of new prisons or empty current prisons of petty drug offenders in order to make room for the staggering number of military, intelligence, law enforcement and homeland security personnel and legislators to be incarcerated.
Great work, BMAZ. In service to their corporatist masters, the Bushie/necocon/rethug nexus have beseiged all the values and instituions that protect our communities and civil society.
Thanks for shining the light on how far the rot has gone within the mental health community. From what I’ve read, individual psychatrists and physicians have forsworn our ancient Oath to do no harm and joined the dark side. May they all lose their licsenses, livelihoods, and - until release fromt he Hague - freedoms.
Again, thanks for this great post.
Let us not forget the long and profound heritage of fascism of the Bush family.
Wonderful post, bmaz. If Zierhoffer’s taking of the Fifth isn’t a breakthrough, what would be?
Remember the climax of the film Witness? When the bad guy, the only guy left with a gun, looks around wildly, only to see a circle of unarmed Amish neighbours, all just staring at him in horror as he prepares to shoot Harrison Ford? And then he gives up, because he knows he can’t kill them all, even if he could kill them all.
Sooner or later, it hits at least the banality-of-evil ones that they have lost. About the truly powerful evil ones, I don’t know.
Nice post bmaz. Team EW has a pretty deep bench.
A lot of damage has been done. Who will have the courage to walk back the damage? How do you sell abstract concepts like the Fourth Amendment to people who won’t think - people who can’t/won’t put themselves in the place of the people who are actually harmed on the road to fascism?
bmaz, I’m probably missing something stupidly, but where did you find Lt-Col Zierhoffer’s name?
Hmmm. She seems awfully close to having a doctor-patient relationship with the defendant. I think that if your shrink takes the fifth with regards to her treatment of you, then your shrink should lose her medical license.
In a Meteor Blades post at Dkos linked and cited by Valtin here.
Dugg, Bmaz.
Great work. Claus
I don’t know if bmaz found it on my site or not, but I think Meteor Blades over at Daily Kos gets the credit in an article he wrote there a few days ago naming her. The mainstream press has seen fit not to publish her name, or in some cases, not her full name.
I was a member of the first graduating class at Luther with a degree in Anthropology. I really appreciate your hard work and sacrifice and share your frustration accutely.
Thanks, and sorry. Memo to self: real ALL links before asking questions.
These last posts have all been big topic, lots of info, great analysis posts - thank you for them.
I think of Kilcullen as a pretty smart guy (technically, I think he is assigned now to Rice, from his earlier Petraeus assignment, so I feel sorry for the boy from Oz too) but jeezfreakinlouise - “armed social work”?
I noticed that Gusterson also points out the anthropos that they are collecting by and large have no language skills associated with the area and no background in the culture of the area. Isn’t that extra special? I also noticed that he didn’t mince words when talking about the Phoenix Project use of anthropological information to target villagers for assassination in Vietnam.
Thanks for the link backs to Valtin’s blog too - he is really one of the good guys.
Meteor Blades does deserve credit for some very good work on that story.
And, again, so does Valtin, who very generously agreed in advance to let me totally rip off his work.
I guess if you can’t get any good info from a detainee after abusing them in a nice hidden hole for years, the least you can do is make sure you leave them so crazy they can’t reliably testify against you later.
Anthropologists have an interesting history in this area, which I have heard about but don’t recall in detail. (Ms. Redshift is an anthropologist.) IIRC, the AAA code of ethics originated after anthropologists were recruited during WWII in a similar fashion, and did some hard thinking afterwards. It is my understanding that the chief concern was their obligation to the subjects of their study, rather than compromising personal safety and ability to work, which if true is admirable.
Especially in contrast to the despicable official positions of the APA leadership on psychologists participating in torture. I heard the apparently amoral past APA president recently claiming that a movement to ban APA members from participating in coercive interrogations because things psychologists do like conducting required psychological screenings for high-security jobs could be considered “coercive” if the subject doesn’t want to do it.
Hey Kirk
Did you see this?
California Becomes First State to Condemn Use of Torture in ‘War on Terror’
Two points, bmaz. First, you correctly note the following as response to the dear BSCT’s refusal to testify:
The problems are not merely the prosecution saying “no” and the judge saying “no”, in their time-tested way. I can also hear the prosecution and the judge saying “We/I don’t have jurisdiction to grant immunity to a recalcitrant witness” and “We/I cannot effect the compulsion to make your Sixth Amendment rights to due process, compulsory process, cross-examination and fair trial worth more than the paper you wiped your behind with today.” The Kangaroo Court would say it does not have jurisdiction (1) because the dear Lieutenant Colonel invoking her privilege against self-incrimination is obviously not a[n alleged] terrist and is both a citizen and a military officer, so she could not be called to account before the Court granting her immunity. Further, a good argument could be made that, because the Gitmo Show Trials are not an Article III court but rather some weird hybrid, any order granting immunity would not necessarily be entitled to Full Faith and Credit - or even respect - from a criminal court in which she was (putatively) to be tried for her crimes. Nor does the Gitmo Show Trial court necessarily have the power to bind the United States to preclude later prosecution of the dear Lieutenant Colonel.
So, if I’m her lawyer, I’ll tell her: “regardless of whether the Court here in Gitmo gives you immunity, you continue to refuse. Tell them that your lawyer says their promise of immunity is worthless and you’ll continue to refuse to testify. Respectfully, of course.”
Then, if the court does not have jurisdiction and therefore one cannot compel the testimony of a witness whose scheming was instrumental in devising the torture program by which you were compelled to give a false/tortured “Confession”, then where is your right against self-incrimination, Mr. Captive?
Kinda worthless, no?
Point, the Second.
Then there are the Human Terrain Teams. They go a lot more deeply into ripping the heart out of democracy than you might think. Remember that woman who spied for the NRA against gun control groups? She’s pretty deeply involved in the Human Terrain Teams - two of her kids (who spied for/with her) are real machers in that area, and are also deeply tied in. From the Mother Jones article:
Ahh, that good old Bipartisan Policy Center. Howard Baker, Bob Dole, George Mitchell, and Tom Daschle. Contractors. Lobbying. Someone, yesterday, wrote a nice piece about it on one of the blogs, which I cannot find just now. But here’s an article about it from Harpers’.
Small world, eh? From torture, to destroying the Constitution, to spying on your fellow Americans to exploiting people through anthropology to pigs-in-a-blankey with Bob Dole and Tom Daschle. I know - some might say cocktail weenies with Dole and Daschle is torture, but I think the captives at Gitmo would be quite capable of correcting that misconception.
In a recent hearing on the process or lack thereof that would be followed at the gitmo show trials, it seemed agreed that the detainees (under the revised procedure) HAD no 6th amendment rights to confront his accuser, based on the ’state of war’ exigencies. The subject was summoning witnesses who may be on the front lines or off ‘Killing Hajis For Jesus’ somewhere and could not be recalled. I wonder if that specific ‘flexibility’ would be used to assert that a detainee would have no recourse in the case of a refusal to testify?
I am confused about Lt Col Zierhoffer taking the 5th. Doesn’t the military have an extensive list of interrogation procedures that can legally be used, which won’t violate the UCMJ, to elicit information from her?
Starting with kidnapping, isolating, stripping, hooding, placing in stress positions …
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Acton’s famous aphorism applies to psychologists as much as to Dick Cheney or Pootey Poot.
I can see the poster now, George Bush in top hat, beard and Uncle Sam’s colorful clothing: “Join Our Crusade! Fight the Infidel!” The religious symbolism — ironic to Jews and Moslems alike (Rhenish Jews were used as “practice dummies” by medieval warriors en route to the “Holy” Land) — was intentional, if self-defeating, in the context of a purportedly limited counter-attack against foreign terrorists criminally acting out against the US for being antithetical to their extremist Islamic and nationalist beliefs.
Scurrying out from their proliferating consultancies to business (who today gets hired as a vice president or Borders cashier without a “psych profile”?) or regretfully leaving their high- or low-priced counseling practices, a handful of psychologists followed their ambitions and become handmaidens to George Bush. The only rule, observed in the breach, became, “Anything short of killing them: the fate of the universe is at stake!!”
No one seemed interested in understanding what the prisoners said (how many spoke the interrogee’s tongue?) or the social context from which the prisoner came. Rather like yanking Freud from 1900 Vienna and putting him in charge of a practice in modern Shanghai. “Lost in translation” doesn’t quite cover it. That might be because the point doesn’t appear to have been to get accurate information, but to break the victim without leaving too many traces.
Physical detention substituted for practical, legal and moral judgment, and justified all manner of actions short of death. Even there, Mr. Bush’s secret prisons have killed more than a hundred of their prisoners, many of whom may have been as guiltless as most of those held at Gitmo. The golden rule became not, “Do No Harm” but “Leave No Mark”.
It is past time for the APA to condemn participation by its members in government interrogations, certainly those performed by the Bush administration. The idea that they are lessening harm or safely speeding the process is willfully self-indulgent and as corrupting to them as the writing of Yoo-like opinions or hiding Bush’s crimes is to the DOJ.
You think Embargo Bob’s blockbuster book (first printing 900,000) will
shed light on Gitmo, and other criminal wrongdoing?
Thanks for the kind words and h/t.
I am pessimistic that much will happen in the way of political repurcussions re DZ’s 5th plea, except perhaps in how it affects internal politics in APA. Unfortunately for too long a time we have all witnessed the documentation of the worst atrocities with nary a smidgen of accountability, except for some jail time for the small fry, and a few demotions and early retirements.
I refer readers to my article on the torture timeline, as it refers to Bush administration solicitation of torture techniques from the SERE military program. Even when the former top administrator for that program admits that he was queried by top administration officials about coercive interrogation in December 2001 (same time Lindh was being tortured in Afghanistan), almost every other journalist and news source in the world continues to place that initial contact seven months later, in July 2002.
Readers may not understand that the dividing line between these two dates, January 2002, represents the Bush “finding” that “enemy combatants” don’t deserve Geneva protections when it comes to interrogations. Afterwards it was Yoo, Gonzales, etc., producing bogus legal opinions for the WH backing torture. Before Jan. 2002, I think you have pure undeniable war crimes charges, as in December 2001 they had not yet produced their “cover your ass” documents.
Anyway, thanks again, bmaz, for taking up this vital issue.
bmaz,
As a professional anthropologist, I am saddened by what is being done to corrupt professionals who should know better. This is an old problem, going back to the heyday of the British Empire and the Great Game. Some of the most famous British archaeologists of that era also did work for the British Intelligence service.
Unfortunately, as long as there are poor, unemployed anthropologists, there are government agencies who will be only too glad to help them rationalize illegal and unethical behavior. To counter this, the AmAnthroAssoc Newsletter used to run a regular column on “Ethical Dilemmas”, and such items are now commonplace, e.g. Wartime dilemmas of an ethical anthropology.
The problem is easily stated, but not easily solved.
Bob in HI
Also, this is the second time that Hartmann, who is supposed to be the Pentagon legal adviser to the tribunals, has been barred from participation in a trial. (Hamdan was the first.)
Really. How long does this nonsense go on?
A friend of mine published “Oath Betrayed: Torture, Medical Complicity and the War on Terror” in 2006. Steven H. Miles is a Professor of Medicine at the U of Minnesota, and chair of the Department of Bioethics. He has a huge list of publications in Peer Reviewed Journals, and has been pushing the AMA to take action to strictly define the limits of orders to any MD or other supporting medical personnel that are considered legitimate. Miles first article on this was published in The Lancet in 2004, and his book is a massive expansion of that theme. Some months ago I ran into him on late night C-Span doing a seminar on the whole subject for Lawyers and Doctors — and I know he has been very busy organizing for a number of years on this. He is associated with the American Refugee Committee, and the Center for the Victims of Torture — a multi-nation treatment network that was founded in Denmark, but has a center here in Minnesota. He has also testified before Congress.
Anyhow, Google him, and you will find many of his papers, presentations, op-ed’s and all. His book will get you into the network of leading Medical Professionals and Organizations that have been working on this for some time. I suspect they would all appreciate some support on this. I take it what they want is for all the speciality and sub-speciality medical groups to collaborate on getting clarity as to what is a legitimate chain of command order, and what isn’t, to which someone in Military Medicine is subject, specific medical ethics training for all uniformed personnel subject to military discipline, all backed up by very clear professional organization support, including legal support should one decline an order.
I followed up my earlier posting with a description of an episode from World War I, where two anthropologists were accused of using their professional positions for espionage for the U.S.
The resulting protest by leading anthropologist, Franz Boas, resulted in an AAA censure against him.
Interesting
Very interesting; I didn’t know about that.
Yep - and I’m glad to see it mentioned here. I’m glad it has happened, also.
OTOH:
The state of CA (and the other states) have the power to explicitly regulate the practice of medicine (and psychology and the other healing arts) through their respective medical boards.
CA’s state legislature knows how to exercise that power: when a psychologist treating one of the Beach Boys was found to have (IIRC) moved in with his patient and to have had been included among those named as having credit for one of the patient’s musical creations, the Legislature acted. Or rather - enacted: a law now bans all us mental health folk in CA from substantial social contact with our patients.
Celebrity victims get the goods: the explicit statutes.
What disappoints me about SJR 19 is not only that it ain’t a statute but also that - so far as I know - there ain’t even a statute in the CA leg pipeline.
In other words, the CA leg (or Senate) used the old Cold War technique of condemming the human rights crimes occuring outside of its jurisdiction, while electing not to exercise the political and legislative power to legally proscribe human rights within its jurisdiction (the CA state med board can - and does - pull licenses for prorscibed behavior occuring outside of state lines).
So as things stand, the CA med board can pull the license of a CA doc who racks up drunk driving convictions South Carolina, but can’t pull the CA license of docs complicit in torture in the military brigs there..or anywhere else.
Which is why I’d rather see SJR 19 than nothing, but am still very disappointed in seeing no more than SJR 19.
ot (sorry bmaz)
But this is insane. Micheal “faster please” Ledeen not only thinks we should attack Iran he thinks we should go to war with Russia. Ledeen is insane. Would someone please lock this guy up
http://article.nationalreview......Q2NjhjOGI=
FYI - The American Psychoanalytic Association and the American Psychiatric Association have long denounced torture.
The American Psychological Association is the organization that has dragged its feet - in part because it’s membership includes many who participate in “3rd Party” assessment - i.e. working on “subjects” for their fee on behalf of a third party, rather for than patients or clients for their own benefit.
Then there’s this:
Boas was, of course, a German emigrant, and his personal and professional peers included many who were fluent in German. He is also regarded by many as the founding father of Anthropology in the U.S.
World War I must have been a conflicted issue for them.
Bob in HI
Let’s paint the picture a little bigger in the courtroom, bmaz.
The judge is this case has already thrown the book at Brig. Gen. Thomas Hartmann for acting in ways that “compromised the objectivity necessary to dispassionately and fairly evaluate the evidence and prepare the post-trial evaluation.” (quote from the judge’s ruling, per McClatchy). When you start with this kind of judgment against the government, it strikes me that this would add a bit more power to the defense’s arguments in your little scenario above.
“Look, judge, you’ve already ruled once against the government for how they stacked the deck against my client. By withholding immunity, the prosecution is trying to stack the deck once again. This lt col was there. She knows what went on. She knows the depths to which the govt tried to coerce and manipulate my client into saying whatever would make his captors happy. The prosecution knows this, and by denying her immunity, the prosecution is trying to subvert my client’s ability to defend himself. They are carrying out General Hartman’s desires (if not explicit orders), even after you’ve removed him from the case.”
IANAL, but I think that “fairly high burden” may not be as big a hurdle as you think. Given the ruling earlier against Gen Hartman, I think the defense is already on its way to reaching it.
“Human Terrain Teams” in the Pentagon’s sense-corrupting jargon is about well-informed penetration and manipulation of the enemy. Something the Brits tried mightily to do during the Troubles (informers, traitors, became more reliable sources of intel), something under-cover cops of all stripes attempt in more mundane circumstances every day.
Soldiers are trained not to ask, but to do, whatever the order. It takes a strong character to ask when an order might be illegal, much less to challenge it without ending one’s career or worse. Much of the top talent that might have done so with the force of personality necessary to carry it off is not re-enlisting. Tomorrow’s top non-coms and generals will be drawn from what’s left. The mind boggles.
Integrating HTT’s so closely and obviously with front-line troops seems counterproductive (it too closely associates the intel team with its client) as well as an indication that the Army doesn’t expect to leave its imperial outposts anytime soon. Using HTT’s to monitor US professional associations is straight out domestic espionage. Another of those many “small changes” to intel practice that Bush is pushing through before he hands over the reign to Dick Cheney’s successor.
German culture before the First World War was considered the height of social and technological progress, an appreciation hard to grasp after the Shoah thirty years later.
Also plaguing Boaz, I think, was the Red Scare in America following the 1917 Russian Revolution, and the associated crack down here on “dissent” and unconventional thinking of all kinds. Among other things, it led to the rise of J. Edgar Hoover.
A mind like Boaz’s — creative energetic and determined enough to invent a new intellectual discipline — did not support the overreaction to Russia’s change of government, a transition that “terrorized” monarchs, monopolists, corporatist politicians and war profiteers. The potential for improvement in the lot of the ordinary Russian was then lost for generations. Overreaction to it meant retarded improvements here, a dynamic that is repeating itself via overreaction to isolated acts of terrorism and under-reaction to the changes wrought by globalization.
Judge Hellerstein to CIA: You got 10 days to come up with an reason why I shouldn’t find you in contempt.
Mukasey’s pick (which, unfortunately, says it all right there) Durham had told Hellerstein earlier that the Judge needed to hold off ruling on an ACLU request for civil contempt against CIA, saying that the Judge’s ruling on civil contempt (which might find that the CIA was guilty of violating his order not to destroy) would interfere with Durham’s “criminal investigation” into whether or not the CIA … had violated any orders.
So the Judge ruling that CIA had violated his order might interfere with Durham’s attempts to investigate whtehr the CIA had violated the Judge’s order. Ok then.
Now get that list of players. Counsel for CIA and DOD, who are trying to say that Durham is investigating their orgs for criminal activity, are attempting to block Hellerstein from ruling by saying that they can go get any kind of declaration they want from Durham, as and when needed. That’s pretty nifty.
Of more direct interest, Durham is telling the Judge that forcing the CIA to produce even a catalog of documents/info destroyed, including the number of tapes, would “enable witnesses to change or shape their stories before a grand jury”
Prior Judge Hellerstein:
emph added
And now more on the NRA spy (and mother of the Human Terrain Teams bigwigs) - she’s tight with a senior operative on the McSame campaign.
Small world for torturers and their enablers, no?
Here’s an interesting take on torture:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....983/570573
McSame was never tortured. (not according to his own definition anyway…)
Mary’s point is very interesting. Why in this case would the Lt. Col. invoke her right against self-incrimination if everyone right up to the top of The Article II Department has pledged that nothing she was authorized to do was illegal, and even if any such acts are ever determined to have been illegal, she and those like her will never be prosecuted for those acts because they were done solely on the basis of DoJ legal assurances and analyses that they were legal, and as a result the guilt for any transgression would (in that hypothetical event) properly lie elsewhere?
(OT — That may, perhaps, be one of the longer questions I’ve ever written.)
Maybe other folks will find other and better answers, but I see three possibilities. 1. The Lt. Col. did (or failed to interfere to prevent) things not authorized by the approved guidelines, so this is simple self preservation. 2. The things the Lt. Col. did were within the scope of what was authorized, but she has been told by someone that details of what she did must not be allowed to come out at The Great Gitmo Show Trials, and now she is cooperating with that, perhaps I suppose even under threat/duress. 3. The Lt. Col. has information, suspicion, or concern that the DoJ theory of why she does not have any liability is headed for, or at least potentially headed for, a crash, and so this is again self-preservation — the belt might fail, so better get the ol’ suspenders on.
I prefer to hope for #3.
Kirk and others have responded well to Bmaz’s sharp analysis, and provided medical perspective, and if there is no way to force this psychologist, the Lt. Col. to testify, then one more weakness of these Gitmo trials is highlighted.
I think this case will interest everyone who has commented so ably on these last two threads, and other detainee/torture threads.
Speaking of Gitmo, and detention, there is another trial that’s the subject of Scotus Blog today, that involves a major constitutional showdown, where the governent’s claim that they can make up sentences on the fly if they don’t like them (I’m not sure what the best word is for an Executive Branch that thinks it’s all three or four when it speaks and that that the framers or anyone else didn’t try to set up a platform of checks and balances).
That case is the Parhat case.
Parhat is the first Gitmo witness attempting to take the stand in his defense in a civilian courtroom inside the US and there are a number of others in the wings. This has Mukasey gulping down anti-reflux meds and when Mukasey gets heartburn, I enjoy a cocktail.
Escalating Parhat
Reply Huzaifa Parhat to Goverment’s Opposition to Motions for Parole and Judgement Ordering Release
This is, as Lyle Dennison’s analysis illustrates, a Boumedien habeas as well as the first DTA Act of 2005 challenge.
The DC Circuit said:
not sure what you’re getting at here, frank.
if you mean the practitioner should be spanked because of breach of confidentiality, that really doesn’t hold in this instance.
the way the APA ethical code reads, one must always consider the higher principle in a situation of conflicting principles. doing no harm will just about always trump confidentiality, and i would think certainly in the case of torture v. revealing a patient’s identity.
but the issue is further clarified in this instance by the fact that this woman was subpoenaed by the defense; in other words, her ‘patient’ - and attempting to call her relationship with jawad ‘patient-client’ is really stretching it - is the one requesting the information. any breach is moot in such a case.
OT but there are a lot of Rachel Madow fans and on Thursday she gets her own show on MSNBC–a TV one to follow KO and it will have as it subject, politics whatever that is, and she will stay on radio:
Rachel Maddow Comments On New Role
bmaz and/or our other legal eagles here, where does the immunity provisions provided under the DTA and MCA legislation fit into this Gitmo 5th Amendment shrinkage?
As a practicing non-lawyer, it would seem to me that Lt. Colonel Diane M. Zierhoffer would be one of those immunized, no?
And if the immunity provisions of the DTA/MCA legislation were in fact applicable to Lt. Colonel Diane M. Zierhoffer, then how could she be able to take the 5th?
In a way, this kind of reminds me of what we all wrote about here wrt Scooter getting pardoned. After receiving such a thing, Scooter would no longer have any 5th Amendment privilege if called before a body to testify.
So how is Lt. Colonel Diane M. Zierhoffer any different?
And if she does have immunity via the DTA/MCA legislation, then why can’t she be legally forced to testify?
49 - I’d think since the Circuit found that Parhat was not and had not been an enemy combatant at all, legal or not, they should tack on an attainder claim.
Battlefield detention of combatants is one thing, but non-battlefield purchase of non-combatants in a human trafficking transaction, for the sole purpose of disappearing them into human experimentation at GITMO - - - I gotta think that a) the Constitution prohibits Congress from passing any kind of legislation that would allow such thing - punishment based on Executive fiat and codified by Congress is what the anti-attainder provisions were all about (something Scalia really sidesteps in his “you can torture before trial” analysis)
I’d add that to the habeas argument if it were me. Quite an interesting approach the loyal Bushies are taking - - a Republican frat boy President can go around purchasing and kidnapping humans who are not combatants and lie about them being combatants while using them for subhuman “interrogation” experimentation to see what it takes to destroy their minds and leave their families in despair. When a court proceeding reveals the lie, and a court rules they were never combatants, the depraved Executive can continue to hold them and experiment on them.
There’s a level of moral sickness that is hard to even fathom in all of this, but the worst part is that it has become an accepted element of the process now for Executive branch lawyers to battle against the application of any laws that prevent their frat boy from having his human experiments continue, unchecked. Even when it is revealed that they are being conducted, not on terrorists, but on non-combatants.
It’s such a sick use of the law.
Mucho thanks Mary for that link!
I’ve been most curious what the Judge actually said since Christy posted her scoop early today.
And I found this “cute”:
Is Durham saying that by just documenting what torture tapes existed, some folks who are lying about it now, would no longer lie about it before a grand jury?
Isn’t that what Turdblossom did with Fitz? When Fitz proved Turdblossom was lying before the grand jury, Turdblossom changed his story.
And we are to believe that Durham doesn’t want that to happen? Color me suspicious.
54 - drive by, but if I follow the timeline, Mukasey’s (isn’t it enough punishment if we all say tsk in someone’s general direction?) pick, Durham, told the Judge 8 mos ago that he needed the Judge to hold off for 6mos.
And I think the lesson we all learned from prior DOJ inhouse investigations is that it is aok for Bushieboys fib to the grandjury. Over and over and over, with no penalty.
Very well put Mary–it’s about as perverse as human nature can get and does nothing to defend this country while destroying people and their families.
When attorneys who are loyal Bushies spend large amounts of time plotting to keep them incarcerated and isolated and terrible conditions, you have to wonder how their mindset got so far away from a sense of justice they were supposed to pick up in law school.
OT - Related to WilliamOckham’s previous post, it seems that Senator Leahy is pushing again for the OLC opinions regarding interrogations (from TPMMuckraker).
And directly relevant to WilliamOckham’s previous post is this:
I’m still trying to figure out why Senator Leahy sent the letter to Fred Fielding (other than the DOJ including Mumbles Mukasey has been totally non-responsive), but perhaps the Senator has more reason than is apparent.
Probably because it’s simply fiction to pretend that their is a DOJ now and this AG who are independent of the White House. They are joined at the hip, and Mukasey has facilitated this dysfunctional WH and run interference for them. They know from Mukasey’s track record, that he is going to push this to the hilt, and as you know as well as anyone, Mukasey has been very successful in getting Congress to give him everything he’s asked for previously.
there not their is a DOJ now–sorry
for the record, psychologists are not the only ones who engage in ‘third party’ relationships. physicians are quite often called upon to do IMEs (’independent’ medical exams) for insurance companies, and they do far more expert witnessing for attorneys than psychologists do, i’ll wager big time.
i assume this is the analogy you’re making here. my point is that physicians, or at least their professional organization, has been eager to keep this anti-torture position clear from the beginning despite their comparable participation in these kinds of relationships, as well as those in prisons, etc.
that said, your analogy between the psychologist-torturers issue and the psychiatrists-pharma issue is most excellent.
“The depth and depravity with which the Bush/Cheney neocon warhawk aggressor machine has co-opted and corrupted the institutions, associations and professions that compose the fabric of this nation is simply astounding.”
There is nothing that these idiots have not corrupted or pushed to the edge. It is amazing how they manage to walk a line and throw money or power at things to achieve what they want.
I have been particularly distressed about the Bush Library slated to go in at Southern Methodist University in Dallas. Obviously, SMU is affiliated with the United Methodist Church (UMC). I am not a particularly religious person, but it is an institution that has been a major part of my life. By throwing the library at SMU, Bush has managed to force the church to take a political stand by permitting it. It has caused considerable controversy within the Methodist church, to say the least. I was highly amused at the points used to push this through the Methodist hierarchy, including the fact that the library would be an economic boon to Dallas.
The UMC has its own rules and laws — but it appears that they have been overridden for expediency. Bush strikes once again!
compelling; thanks.
i attended the rally in boston saturday (could not bring myself to attend the general conference), and it was mighty inspiring. and i could have sworn steve soldz said that the lt col had resigned. i may have assumed he said that, as he talked about how sad it was that no one was allowed to talk to her about this, or anything else. but it was noisy and there was a mike echo off the walls to the convention center, so i may well be mistaken. i also believe (same caveat applies here) that steve said he participated as an expert witness for the defense and was present. but again, that may be an error.
in any case, i would guess about two to three hundred people attended. the program was very well organized (the raging grannies were a hoot), and it was a good group, but few young people, and a pretty sad percentage of the 14,000 total in attendance.
years ago when this issue first reared its ugly head, i ran across it on democracynow! amy goodman interviewed steve behnke, director of the apa ethics committee, and i was outraged beyond containment. so i contacted a member of the apa board at the time, someone i know, and expressed my fury. to my even greater shock, this board member actually responded that he thought it was a good interview except that behnke could have spoken more strongly. (i had to just beg off and suggest we agree to disagree; i was stunned.)
the board member went on to be elected president of the apa, and we have never spoken of these things again. his tenure was notable for maintaining the vapid policy we as concerned psychologists are battling now, and he was interviewed by amy via phone. that would have been a couple of years ago.
now, i have to say, that this man, this board member and president of the apa, is actually a very good person. a good man, through and through. and, as someone once described him to me, “not afraid to be a contrarian.” so you can see why i was stunned by this. our relationship is not close, so i don’t feel at liberty to confront him on a personal level. he’ll have to live with himself, though i sense from the things he has said that he has it pretty well justified and rationalized.
i honestly don’t know what to make of this apa position on torture. one that has been discussed is a quid pro quo for prescription privileges (only psychiatrist can do this now). brad olson brought up several other possible reasons, most suggesting a long history of such partnerships between psychologists and the military in the past. regardless, it is all very disturbing.
so thanks for highlighting this, bmaz. we can only hope the apa membership - which, i have to say, is as wildly similar to the democratic party on the ‘herding cats’ dimension as any out there - will vote wisely, for president and for the referendum.
So how would an immunity grant work with Lt.Col Zierhoffer with regards to the CAT? The CAT requires torturers to be prosecuted and punished, without exception. Granting immunity by a nation (in this case the U.S.) to its own nationals is an international version of a white wash.
So, will Rachel’s new show replace Hardball?
I don’t think Chris Matthews will be too happy about that.
But I’d rather see Rachel than Chris any day of the week!
Bob in HI
Crikey, I said it was a “very simplified explanation and description”. There were too many variables, some of which you hit on, and I am not exactly Mr. UCMJ expert anyway, so I just wanted to lay out the basic framework that you would normally expect. That said, even under your more detailed and multiple variable scenario (and I agree, none of them are particularly likely to lead to Zierhoffer actually testifying); you simply have to set up the play, to fail to do so would be ineffective assistance.
It also sets up several other things to plead just to screw with them such as a motion for determination of counsel conflict requesting evidentiary inquiry as to collusion/command influence/whatever in the form of the govt. suggesting Zierhoffer refuse testimony. “Gee your honor, if there is one thing that has been a constant here, it is command conflict problems, now I’m sure the fine folks over there at the government’s table would not be condoning any of that, but my client has questions and fairness and judicial economy suggests we ought to just make sure before we go any further on the merits”.
Human Terrain Teams. Yeah, that doesn’t sound at all like something they would spend a boatload of money on and still fuck up royally does it? The mind reels from all the possible ways they could make a hash out of that.
Pretty good Peter, your barrister skills are already better than those of Alberto Gonzales (okay, granted, that is a low threshold). Am kind of working my way down the thread, but I just mentioned something right up that alley in response to Scribe.
al75 @ 39 Interesting aticle.
Physicians do exponentially more expert witnessing, depositions, and reports requested by attorneys in PI cases–to be sure. There is also a cottage industry in which chiros have run a scam in droves for years where they do x amount of Mickey Mouse treatments until the insurance runs out. The treatments have no therapeutic efficacy. There are also schemes where accidents get sta