Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
With the utterance of those words and placement of quill to paper, by Founding Father Benjamin Franklin, so began the half life decay of his wisdom. The surveillance state we occupy today is the festering, mature result of the acts of cloying politicians and barons of power to serve their own political and financial goals by declaring themselves the protectors of law and order. The daddy state. They spread fear of isolated, and ultimately inconsequential, yet publically hyped acts of crime and terror in order to supplicate the nation at large.
It has been a singularly effective scheme.
So it began with characterization of hideous and substantive Fourth Amendment violations of fundamental search and seizure law as "mere technicalities". Soon judges and prosecutors, being elected or politically appointed officials themselves, started shading their duties, principles and morals under the law to find creative ways around Constitutional protections in order to avoid results that would be unpopular. Then the officials ran again for reelection proudly proclaiming how they protected the "law and order for the citizens" by "clamping down on criminals" and "elimianting the criminal's use of technicalities". The more they talked the talk, the more they walked the walk. Down the slippery slope.
And that is where we find ourselves today. From Spencer S. Hsu and Carrie Johnson in today's Washington Post:
The Justice Department has proposed a new domestic spying measure that would make it easier for state and local police to collect intelligence about Americans, share the sensitive data with federal agencies and retain it for at least 10 years.
The proposed changes would revise the federal government's rules for police intelligence-gathering for the first time since 1993 and would apply to any of the nation's 18,000 state and local police agencies that receive roughly $1.6 billion each year in federal grants.
Quietly unveiled late last month, the proposal is part of a flurry of domestic intelligence changes issued and planned by the Bush administration in its waning months. They include a recent executive order that guides the reorganization of federal spy agencies and a pending Justice Department overhaul of FBI procedures for gathering intelligence and investigating terrorism cases within U.S. borders. (Emphasis added)
This is sick. Quite frankly, the contours of this have been quite obvious, and even partially stated, as being on the way for a while now if you were paying attention. This is why I was foaming at the mouth when the Protect America Act (PAA) was passed a year ago, and especially when Congress voted "just to extend (renew) it for a period". The passage of the PAA occurred under such fraudulent and dishonest conditions that it could have been discarded or unwound; but by the time the "extension" was voted on, the depravity and dishonesty of the Administration, what it had done, and what it was doing, was clearly evident. That vote set the die because it was done with fair knowledge and scienter where the first vote for PAA passage was quite arguably not.
And, so, here we are. Again, from the Post:
...law enforcement agencies would be allowed to target groups as well as individuals, and to launch a criminal intelligence investigation based on the suspicion that a target is engaged in terrorism or providing material support to terrorists. They also could share results with a constellation of federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies, and others in many cases.
Criminal intelligence data starts with sources as basic as public records and the Internet, but also includes law enforcement databases, confidential and undercover sources, and active surveillance.
It seems any citizen, right here in the good old USA, can become an investigative target based upon raw suspicion; and suspicion may be found from sources as innocuous as public records, "the internet" (That's kind of broad eh? Know anybody that uses the net?) or confidential tips. Want to know a little secret? I have encountered an awful lot of "confidential tips", almost always attributed to unknown and unidentified "concerned citizens" in the various warrant affidavits and departmental reports I have had to deconstruct over the years, and more often than not those "confidential tips" are planted or instigated by the officers or agents working the case. Go figure. Who could of predicted that?
But wait! There's more!
The rule also would allow criminal intelligence assessments to be shared outside designated channels whenever doing so may avoid danger to life or property -- not only when such danger is "imminent," as is now required, German said.
...
If police officers no longer see themselves as engaged in protecting their communities from criminals and instead as domestic intelligence agents working on behalf of the CIA, they will be encouraged to collect more information," German said. "It turns police officers into spies on behalf of the federal government."
Well, there is one positive here. We ought to be able to dispense with prostate and colorectal exams since we'll all effectively have probes up our rear constantly. We will have that going for us. Oh yes, lest I forget the icing on the cake.
Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey said that the Justice Department will release new guidelines within weeks to streamline and unify FBI investigations of criminal law enforcement matters and national security threats. The changes will clarify what tools agents can employ and whose approval they must obtain.
I feel safer already, don't you? How nice of the Bush/Cheney Administration to get all this cleaned up and in place for us before they leave.
The PAA and resultant FISA Amendments Act (FAA) were never about the "tweaking of FISA", anybody with a lick of common sense could see that. It was, from the start, a designed gutting of the 4th Amendment right to privacy and due process probable cause, the 6th Amendment confrontation clause, and to a greater degree than is obvious, the root presumption of innocence; all the primary foundations to which the rule of law, as has existed in this country since it's founding, is based.
If the words and intent of our basic Constitutional criminal and privacy law in the United States is the sail of our societal ship, what we are witnessing with the FAA passage, the measures described herein, and the DOJ Guidelines "streamlining" that Mukasey will soon be announcing (these will seek to remove the same firewalls between law enforcement and prosecution that are being removed here between intelligence and all other law enforcement agencies; among other niceties) is the wind being shifted almost completely on the sail. As far as privacy and presumptive rights as citizens being the wind at our back, they are now the storm in our face.
This is what Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Hoyer hath wrought when they sold out on FISA for the sake of their petty and transient political power. And let me repeat something I have said before: once law enforcement, political and prosecutorial entities are vested with power and dominion such as described herein; it is never substantially relinquished; it becomes the new norm. The Democratic Leadersheep have led the lambs to slaughter. At least the evidence will be preserved in that datamine shaft. For at least ten years. I wonder if this is still the kind of "change" Mr. Obama supports?
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Grr…
Exactly.
Rusty!
FISA is an attractive nuisance…
Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Hoyer, four little kids, tempted by some water, now we have a drowning.
Fascism is here, under a different name…by design.
WilliamOckham’s post in the prior thread about Michael Ledeens departure from the American Enterprise Institute sent me to the Googles to learn more about the evil bastard. Consider the following to be a researcher’s resource in your quest to understand how it is that FASCISM HAS COME TO AMERICA. Michael Ledeen is the nexus for nearly all of it, which explains why AEI wants to distance itself in advance of the bombing of Iran.
Take the time to read, it’s frightening, and explains a lot:
http://www.takeoverworld.info/conquest.html
Scroll down to get to the main Ledeen facts and links.
I particularly took note of this, particularly in light of the recent events in Georgia, which Rove is surely involved in:
The BBC, the Washington Post and Jim Lobe writing for the Asia Times report that Michael Ledeen is the only full-time international affairs analyst consulted by Karl Rove (President G.W. Bush’s “brain”). Ledeen has regular conversations with Rove.
The Washington Post said, “More than once, Ledeen has seen his ideas faxed to Rove, become official policy or rhetoric.”
“Peace is ABNORMAL. … Peace increases our peril by making discipline less urgent, encouraging some of our worst instincts, in depriving us of some of our best leaders.’ Peace . . . is a dream . . . and would undermine the power of the state.” - Michael Ledeen
“Paradoxically, preserving liberty may require the rule of a single leader—a dictator—willing to use those dreaded ‘extraordinary measures, which few know how, or are willing, to employ.’ - Michael Ledeen
“All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.”
– David Rockefeller, speaking at the United Nations
“It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance.”
President George Bush addressing the General Assembly of the U.N. February 1, 1992
“In order to bring a nation to support the burdens of maintaining great military establishments, it is necessary to create an emotional state akin to war psychology. There must be the portrayal of an external menace. This involves the development to a high degree of the nation-hero, nation-villain ideology and the arousing of the population to a sense of sacrifice. Once these exist, we have gone a long way on the path to war.”
- John Foster Dulles -
BMAZ:
There’s some shite you just can’t make up:
Are you kidding me?
If Michael German is not an expert on Fascism, who is?
Have you read this?
They thought they were free
Every American should.
just a few years ago, post 911 but before there was the PAA, there was a nationwide terrorism alert involving people i know (pacifists with no history of violence of any kind) because they were going to show a movie in a private home. it was such a big deal that it was carried by cnn international. how did the fbi know about this dangerous movie showing? from reading the internet site were the info was posted. the story gets even more insane, but i won’t go into all the details except to say that the local police even here in true-blue MA supported this nonsense. my point is that this is some serious shit and it wasn’t just some crazy recent capitulation by the dems. they are true believers as a stroll down memory lane to 1996 reminds us.
…. and in related news (the pro-police state dems who pretend to be defending our civil rights). check out what new wonders john conyers is proposing (from michael j. smith, the permalink is busted so this is the whole post):
my bold
What you say, and by looking at the time of your post I guess it’s safe to say that you haven’t gotten over this yet.
Good on you mate.
Keeping this country divided (and thereby conquered) has been the lifelong goal of David Rockefeller. The job of politics and the media is to divide, the job of draconian laws, implemented in the aftermath of terror, is to conquer.
Who does?
Who are the terrorists, really?
David Rockefeller, statement in 1973 about Mao Tse-tung in the New York Times, August 10, 1973
David Rockefeller, speaking to his fellow global socialists at a meeting in Baden-Baden, Germany, June 1991.
- From Rockefeller’s “Memoirs”, (p.405).
He continues with an even more revealing passage:
You will notice that he does not deny it. If anything he has confirmed that their is a “secret group of international bankers and capitalists, and their minions, [who] control the world’s economy”.
What more is there to say? Conspiracy confirmed. He openly admits to Treason, knowing no one can touch him. And what is the name of his office building in Manhattan? “The Tower Of Power.”
If it’s happening in America, it’s because David Rockefeller wants it to.
I read the WaPo piece in the local paper this morning. It sickened me.
We are all terrorists now.
Makes me weep, what’s happened with this Congress.
My mother worked on the Nuremburg Trials with Robert Jackson.
She said it was unrelenting horror taking testimony day after day.
The ONLY comfort to her, she said, was that we were on the side of the angels.
No more. We have become what we once despised.
A significant number of democrats accept the notion that the most important thing they can do is to prevent another terrorist attack, even if it means a statutory taking of what were once thought to be inalienable rights.
So, here’s a story. My house is in an enclave in a larger development. When we bought it, it was connected to the larger part by a concrete pathway, which sat on an easement through one of the then undeveloped lots. The easement was part of my deed, and the deed of everyone in the enclave. The pathway allowed people to walk to the amenities, the pool and the tennis courts, so we could let the kids go by themselves. Otherwise, we would have to drive on major streets, not practical for the kids.
When the lot was built, the developer tore out the path. So we sued him. It caused a lot of strife in the enclave, leading to a meeting of the homeowners in the clubhouse, to which everyone had to drive. The president of the association called for a vote. I pointed out that we could have as many votes as she wanted, but I was going to vote no, and I had a deed that said that I had a right to the path. As long as I didn’t agree, I would win the lawsuit, and there would be a path.
And so, today there is a path.
That’s what inalienable means. The cowards in congress can’t take my rights away. But “inalienable” is meaningless without a Court, or someone, to back it up. I just wish there was a Party of the Brave we could vote for.
Thanks for that link. Good stuff.
bmaz,
Suspected this turn a while ago when my hometown started buying almost “retro” looking black and white police vehicles as opposed to the metallic blue and grey vehicles which had been common in my hometown for over 25 years.
The first words out of my mouth when I saw the first one on the road was, “Oh lookie McCarthism on wheels times 10!” My oldest asked me to explain my comment. I explained to him what it means to live in a police state and the car was a “symbol” of such.
He thought the concept sickening…
He’s quite correct.
Russia won the Cold War. They ARE inside the gate.
Boy, in many ways this opens the door for a third party candidate.
The Brave and the Free Party.
I like that idea masaccio.
Now, how do we organize this party without getting arrested?
bmaz, great post. Great post.
May I suggest we get record diggs for this post. Record diggs.
Email as many friends as you can with the link here.
bmaz, is there any room for a lawsuit against the government on this set-up?
went to purchase some Constitution TP as illustrated above, but I just can’t bring myself to do it. It is so not funny. I already have one of these that I use for tea at the office. It reminds me daily of what we’ve lost.
We can now finally see the reason for all those “Fusion Centers” that have been built across the country. The Gov. now already has in place the groundwork, the easedropping equip., and infrastructure to make these changes in the Constitution go smoothly. What I find most interesting is that the Fusion Centers have been around quite a while now yet no one really knows what goes on in them. There was one case in San Diego where workers from a Fusion Center were found to be doing things that are quite illegal and against the nations interests yet only the local papers carried any of the scandal.
It past time we found out the truth about these Fusion Centers and see that they are dismantled ASAP. BTW a recent report found that the Fusion Centers had increasing been used against local citizens and day to day crimes instead of doing the job they were supposedly been built to do. It is hard to prove that completely since we still don’t know what exactly it is they are suppose to do.
Knowledge of associations, as in who has significant contact with whom, is a high priority area of surveillance, as it has been in all modern repressive regimes. Communications records are great for feeding the databases from which association patterns can be determined or, in many circumstances, merely inferred.
A prize for expansive domestic surveillance programs would be knowledge of what the observed individuals think. (After all, wouldn’t “wrong thinking” be the basis of all dangerous conduct of interest to surveillance and law enforcement agencies?) I try to learn and remember which categories of information are likely to be mined or scrutinized in the effort to classify the thinking of the observed individuals. I won’t try to exhaustively list the categories, not even claiming to know them all; among the categories, I believe it would be widely agreed, are reading choices, web and web site search history, and information (including posts and comments, and chat) disclosed via the Internet or any surveilled communications channel.
Now, now, we need to find a bright side in all this…
I thought of one. Spying on yr. friends, family, & neighbors has always been a fun pastime (used to be called being a Nosy Parker), but now it might also be a possible source of income in this shaky economy. “Intelligence Collections R Us” recruiting very soon (on the sly, of course) in a neighboorhood near you.
An oldie but goodie from Snuggly the Security Bear (& Mark Fiore)-
http://www.markfiore.com/spies_who_love_you_0
I’m so glad I added an extra “o” in neighborhood- some how it seems to fit.
When is bmaz getting here? After reading the WaPo article, I need him to unlock ew’s liquor cabinet early.
Now that Cindy Sheehan has been qualified as a candidate for a primary challenge against Nancy Pelosi, Act Blue, Blue America et al should gin up a money bomb to support her candidacy. There are one hell of a lot of people, nationwide, who’d contribute to see Pelosi taken down!
Res ipsa loquitur, & you’re damn right I’d contribute to that. From Jonathan Turley’s blog:
Speaker Pelosi’s Latest Justification for Barring Impeachment: Bush Would Never Cooperate With His Own Impeachment
bmaz, let me tell you what is churning in my stomach after the following quote;
why would the president be doing all of this just in preparation of leaving office?
I can think of only two reasons, one or both of these have to apply as far as I can see;
1) they have a shadow government already in place to tap into these resources
or
2) they have no intention of leaving office election or no
take your pick or pick both but I can see no other reasons
which makes it easier to impeach not more difficult
impeachment carries no requirement, if the lawmakers want a president out of office they simply vote him out
Fusion Centers?
You mean like this?
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-.....7403/posts
A lot of those tips that the police get are probably not worth the paper they might be written on. You’d likely be getting a lot of ’spite’ tips, where one person is tipping off the cops about someone they don’t like or are trying to get even with, not someone who’s breaking the law.
(I see the conspiracy theorists are coming out of the woodwork again.)
Of course Madame Speaker’s rationale is a crock of crap. A bit from Turley’s piece:
I guess Nixon worked tirelessly for his own impeachment and resigned only out of a sense of self-loathing. What is particularly striking about this latest rationale is that it is so circular — as was Pelosi’s first explanation. First, we could not start an investigation for impeachment without clear evidence of crimes, but we can only confirm evidence of crimes by investigating…
The biggest problem, however, is that the crimes are hiding in plain view. A federal court has already found the domestic surveillance program was unlawful and there is no question as to the torture question — as found by the International Red Cross when it informed Bush that war crimes charges could be brought.
The Shadow Government has been in place and running the show for a long time. Congress has been and will be powerless. The “power of the purse” has been usurped. All of the money needed for the coup was stolen in advance, courtesy of Rumsfeld and Dov Zakheim, as announced by Rumsfeld to the press on 9/10:
CBS NEWS: The War on Waste
Watch and/or Download the CBS News Video here
http://www.whereisthemoney.org/
On Sept. 10, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld declared war. Not on foreign terrorists, “the adversary’s closer to home. It’s the Pentagon bureaucracy,” he said.
He said money wasted by the military poses a serious threat.
“In fact, it could be said it’s a matter of life and death,” he said.
Rumsfeld promised change but the next day – Sept. 11– the world changed and in the rush to fund the war on terrorism, the war on waste seems to have been forgotten.
Just last week President Bush announced, “my 2003 budget calls for more than $48 billion in new defense spending.”
More money for the Pentagon, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, while its own auditors admit the military cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.
“According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions,” Rumsfeld admitted.
$2.3 trillion — that’s $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America. To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million.
“We know it’s gone. But we don’t know what they spent it on,” said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.
The Comptroller of the Pentagon at the time of the attack was Dov Zakheim, who was appointed in May of 2001. Before becoming the Pentagon’s money-manager, he was an executive at System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems. Zakheim is a member of the Project for a New American Century and participated in the creation of its 2000 position paper Rebuilding America’s Defenses which called for “a New Pearl Harbor.”
COINCIDENCE?
Shadow Government
How true. My Pop nailed that one long ago when he asked us kids, “How many people do you think ended up in the Nazis’ cattle cars because some neighborhood scold shot his/her mouth off about them? Once accused, once condemned.” Dad was an active member of the IWW; knew from whence he spoke.
The Age of Information turning into The Age of Informants.
bmaz,
it might be a technicality and a distinction without a difference, but if the Patriot Act and the FISA reworking ratified by our Congress eliminated any constitutional protections, isn’t this political solution nevertheless on its face an unconstitutional change in the constitution?–unconstitutional because there was no vote for a constitutional amendment(not that the Senate and House would have trouble finding members to vote for one in this current climate) and because the free citizens of the US would not and cannot vote away ‘inalienable’ rights for themselves and their posterity.
I know, cold comfort if and when we are placed into detention by our new American ‘protectors’ for appearing to be guilty unless we can prove our innocence, but an unpolitically biased fact nonetheless I hope.
How is it that the Dept. of Justice can make these changes just with a rulemaking procedure*? Weren’t the 1975-era reforms designed to bar domestic spying the result of legislation, rather than DoJ rule changes?
*If that’s what’s being proposed; neither the Post nor the McClatchy article covering this makes clear what’s actually happening: executive orders? DoJ rulemaking (which at least gives an opportunity for friends of the Constitution to weigh in on the record)? Or…?
Jiminy Crickets! I get back from vacation a day early and find the place overrun with empty beer cans and empty bags of chips.
What? You didn’t think to save me any? LOL!
In keeping with bmaz’s FISA topic, this hot new filing from the EFF is not at all OT:
(My Bold)
Basically as I read it, the EFF is saying to the Administration “Bring it on!”
If the Administration uses the FISAAA to certify to the District Court that which it previously declared unreviewable by said court by dint of “State Secrets privilege”, it waives said “State Secrets privilege” for evermore.
And EFF will then be able to…take yer pick:
1. Rip the Administration a new asshole.
2. Publicly identify those Telcos who committed the crimes of warrantless surveillance.
3. Begin the public process of proving that the Adminstration’s warrantless surveillance program was a deliberate, felonious and intended effort to rob the American people of their 4th Amendment rights from the very beginning!
4. All of the above.
I know which choice I’d pick. How about ya’ll?
If you hadn’t come back from holiday a day early, there would have been time to run to the market for more beer & chips. That’s the excuse, anyway. Welcome back.
Thanx for the filing link. EFF has a solid rep for going for the gusto (to use a beery analogy). I’m picking #4.
There is reasonable suspicion that Pelosi is a war criminal and domestic enemy.
O’Reilly Reveals Truth About FISA Courts in interview with Chertoff
Homeland Security Sec’y Michael Chertoff on Foiled Terror Plot
Friday, August 11, 2006
FOX NEWS INTERVIEW
EXCERPT:
O’REILLY: OK. Last question for you. The fact that the NSA was able to intercept some of these phone calls that were made in the United States to Al Qaeda in Britain by using the very controversial — although I understand warrants were obtained for this by the FISA court. In your opinion, does that mean that the Bush administration is justified now in its original policy? Is this a big win politically for you guys?
CHERTOFF: Well, Bill, of course I’m not going to confirm particular techniques were used, but I do think this.
O’REILLY: You won’t deny, though.
CHERTOFF: Obviously I’m not going to discuss classified techniques.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207930,00.html
Contrary to O’Reilly’s SPIN, this revelation actually destroys the Administration’s original claims relative to the FISA courts being too slow and cumbersome.
Did the Administration CLASSIFY the fact that they used FISA? Did O’Reilly reveal classified information? Chertoff implied as much.
the day she took impeachment off the table, she became an accomplice to every crime committed by this president
the “too slow” excuse was discredited long ago, the administration can conduct any search they want prior to getting the warrant, they can apply after the search
there is no ‘expedience” excuse, it does not exist and never did
You can write that in stone
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA): House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who promised a new era of ethics enforcement in the House of Representatives, snuck a $25 million gift to her husband, Paul Pelosi, in a $15 billion Water Resources Development Act recently passed by Congress. The pet project involved renovating ports in Speaker Pelosi’s home base of San Francisco. Pelosi just happens to own apartment buildings near the areas targeted for improvement, and will almost certainly experience a significant boost in property value as a result of Pelosi’s earmark. Earlier in the year, Pelosi found herself in hot water for demanding access to a luxury Air Force jet to ferry the Speaker and her entourage back and forth from San Francisco non-stop, in unprecedented request which was wisely rejected by the Pentagon. And under Pelosi’s leadership, the House ethics process remains essentially shut down – which protects members in both parties from accountability.
I think you meant prostate. Though prostrate may be apt since the Congress does appear to be taking this lying down.
No. Like this:
Minnesota Independent: You don’t know MN-JAC: Anti-terror fusion center grapples with security flaw, new privacy policy
Iowa Independent: Iowa intelligence fusion center ‘connects the dots’
Michigan Messenger: Michigan’s invisible intelligence agency
Colorado Independent: Colorado ‘fusion center’ to step up intelligence gathering during DNC
All of them working on you even now.
Collect all personal information that may be obtained by any means and process it. Don’t say that it is personal, and don’t call it evidence, except when a person is an identified, targeted suspect or a prospective witness, in which cases, as it has always been, specific probable cause may be assembled for use where it is required. Assert, however one might phrase it, that information that happens to pertain to any individual poses no harm as it sits in memory. Convince everyone to think, NO HARM, NO FOUL. I suspect that the total surveillance perpetrators think along those lines. Sometimes we need to make ourselves momentarily think like perpetrators.
The DoJ’s declaring unconstitutional conduct legal has not and would not necessarily make it so, hence my use of perpetrators above.
Right now the Russians are busy removing every piece of America hardware from Georgia they can get their hands on (including the entire Georgian Navy). Since all of this hardware is brand-new and a gift from us, I have to wonder if we gave Georgia a “fusion center” too. If so, the Russians should invite the press in to see what was going on.
I always wonder about this claim/threat/whatever it is whenever it is made (from the WaPo):
Is that actually possible? To “lock in” anything if a succeeding admin and/or especially a new Congress decide to fix everything up again? I realize that a departing admin can make it very difficult and expensive to right the ship, but they can’t actually sink it, can they?
bmaz, I had ”hopes” that Obama did ”stand for change”, but I was mindful of David Sirota’s ”money party” yardstick for measuring the democratic candidates. Then, I read this;
”There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party…and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt—until recently… and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties”
….and I started examining how ”right” I was. How ”right” are you? Could you see yourself writing as ”on the fringe”, as tristero has;
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com.....seems.html
…”Birch Society Founder Robert Welch believed that ”an elite international cabal…is seeking to establish a world tyranny.” In the U.S., that cabal was centered in the Council on Foreign Relations. ”…
bmaz, study the life of John McCloy, and you’ll probably take Gore Vidal’s dismissal of America’s ”two party” system, more seriously;
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f.....A964958260
”.. As President Kennedy’s disarmament adviser, McCloy negotiated the withdrawal of Soviet missiles from Cuba; he was one of the ”Wise Men” recruited by McGeorge Bundy in 1965 to advise President Johnson on Vietnam policy (but really to secure Eastern Establishment backing for the war). Johnson, who felt awkward around patrician types, was told by Mr. Bundy (no stranger to the patriciate himself) that ”the key to these people is McCloy,” who ”belongs to the class of people who take their orders from Presidents and nobody else.” When McCloy and his friends in the Council on Foreign Relations refused to side publicly with the President on Vietnam, Johnson bitterly complained, ”The Establishment bastards have bailed out.”..”
…and, on SRN, on my car radio, a few mintutes ago, Pelosi capitulates on off shore drilling, and Obama spends an hour, tonight, with mega church founder, Rick Warren. Would you expect more, in a ”one party system”, with two right wings?
If Obama is elected (or, for that matter, Bob Barr !) it will mean nothing. If, on the other hand, McCain is elected, it will provide him with a base to start with. (In other words, battles he will not have to fight.)
This article by Nicholas Lehmann in a recent New Yorker explains how to organize the Party of the Brave and the Free, but it doesn’t explain how to keep from getting arrested.
MartianPolitics, Obama has presumed his election victory by supporting the consolidation of his anticipated executive powers by supporting FISA ”reform”, and telecom amnesty, yet you post with the certainty of someone who ”knows the man”, as a person of integrity who would do the exact opposite of what he did on the FISA/amnesty issues.
The domestic surveillance and intelligence gathering, record keeping, and ”sharing” is about what it is always about…identifying and quelling dissent. I object to Obama because he has put a priority on increasing his own coming power, over the preservation of the people’s rights, as I object to Bush doing the same thing. I dissent, vehemently, and I will be viewed by Obama as part of a larger and growing….”growth” provoked by Obama….THREAT TO HIS POWER. The WaPo ”LOCK IN” description is accurate…..Obama will do nothing to turnt this back!
One of those traffic cam companies ATS is located in Scottsdale. MO is one of increasingly many states opting for augmented realtime imaging, British style; here’s one alderman objecting two months ago. OR has a camera vans with resolution sufficient to issue tickets if drivers fail to wear a seatbelt. There are blogs by people who receive citations for faulty driving with traffic cam photodocumentation so precise the ticket recipient can read the label on the soda can on the dashboard. In a psychological permutation of cam technology advances, AP reported August 7 2008 concerning new stress for reservists who serve as computer operators in international bombing by light aircraft drones; the article may be too graphic, as it describes the destruction of people in live high-resolution video.
With respect to the civil society issue, a renowned futurist has collaborated to humanize the solutions dhs is seeking, but it is pervasive, especially viewed in the abstract as a comparison to some seventeenth concept of privacy. A visit to some still inhabited ancient villages in remote countryside in certain places in the world with an anthropologic lens through which to view social constructs, shows in many of those places which are unwired for traffic cams, the privacy of one’s personal life might be even less than the patina of isolation in a large city in western civilization, as in the village there tend to be pervasive ‘communities of interest’. I suspect Google is having fun studying those, and the other portals are providing those newly discovered virtual communities behavioral clickstrings to the friendly local government for parsing by the best algorithms sociologists can buy to run on the nearest Cray.
Technically, no, you can’t lock in policies. In reality, every two-term administration tries to push through stuff at the end of the second term. The trick is to implement policies in a way that is hard to unravel. In this case, they’ll need to get inter-governmental agreements in place, create constituencies, and fake up some ’successes’ to lock in this stuff. This is a critical part of Cheney’s dream of an authoritarian state dominated by all-powerful Executive.
I was heart-sick and beyond nauseous when I read about the DOJ’s new domestic spying proposals. I came right over to EW’s digs to get more info. This is very scary. Thank you for the post bmaz.
I know that Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Hoyer have sold us out on FISA only deepening the mine shaft. However, does anyone think we have a chance to change this after Bushie is out? I too am concerned that Obama will do nothing.
I do think if we don’t reverse this very soon, it will become the status quo and then we will be in danger of never getting back our 4th amendment rights. This is so disheartening, but I can’t give up hope.
If you can’t trust the US DOJ anymore, what makes anyone think they could trust the judgement and actions of some local police?
From the Nicholas Lehman article:
”If politics worked the way Bentley thought it did, wouldn’t the richer interest groups buy themselves disproportionate political power?”
bmaz reacted dismissively, last month, when I posted that I had uncovered the fact that former Cali gov Gray Davis had never revealed, and the press never reported…that his grandfather, William Rhodes Davis, was the notorious Nazi Abwehr agent, C-80, allegedley ”removed” by MI6’s Stephenson, aka ”Intrepid”, on Aug. 1, 1941, in Mexico.
Bentley seemed to agree more with my way of thinking. My discovery of Gray Davis’s lil secret is a rare glimpes into how ”non-partisan”, our American fascism works. It has almost nothing to do with Gray Davis, either. My discovery simply shows that Gray got to ”keep his secret”, because there was no opposition to his doing so. The corporate owned media and republicans had more of an interest in not pointing out Gray’s family skeleton, than it did in making it public, even while Schwarzenneger, who had asked the Wiesenthal Center, back in 1990, to investigate Nazi connection in his family, was being pummeled about his Nazi grandfather and father….BEFORE the story of Schwarzenneger’s 1975”pro Hitler” comments, broke into the news.
We live in a truly non-partisan country…one party, one media, all right wing, all of the time….
Bingo. None of all this is by happenstance, nor is it particularly 9/11 related. The surveillance state architecture we see being built out now has been the wet dream of the neocon law and order set mentality for a long time. 9/11 was merely the fortuitous vehicle that enabled them to rationalize and sell it to a public that would otherwise recoil.
Host, you may want to read a bit farther into the article:
Chuck - I have seriously considered even writing a post advocating that Democrats should not flinch about voting for Sheehan, or even the GOP candidate out of fear that a vote for Sheehan migh cause the GOP candidate to win, not Sheehan. I am almost of the opinion that we would be better off with a powerless freshman Gooper in Congress than Pelosi left in charge. Like Donna Edwards, it would send a powerful message.
I’m “not” in “denial”…..
Ahem. Cough.
Aye. You are right. It was late….
One problem with replacing Pelosi is that the logical replacement is Steny Hoyer, a guy who has relentlessly worked to build up his chits among rank and filers in the party. Second, the institutionalized Democrats, the people in the hierarchy, discount everything that happens in San Francisco as the activities of the crazy left. On the other hand, beating her might put a chill into Hoyer, especially if we couple it with an effort to boycott Hoyer in the general.
OMG….they’re taking our rights away…even now…so long after 9/11…OMG….
They planned all of this way, way before 9/11…and then along came the gold mine 9/11…how coincidental.
Mock me relentlessly.
Heh heh. I know them well. ATS would be many years further down the road if but for a challenge to their product/method I instigated against the corporate predecessor in the late 80s. The two cities where the fucking photo traffic enforcement was first deployed was Paradise Valley Arizona and Pasadena Texas. I went after them here and tied them in knots. Then I gave all my work to a number of other attorney friends of mine here. Caused so many problems they had to eventually restructure.
Need a break? Listen to a song written by a Swedish musician in the late-ish 1700s and sung superlatively by a 19 year old soprano up at the north end of the Baltic. The horrors of this mal-Administration may not go away just by listening to a song, but one may be reminded of what is important and why we care.
Ya think?
Gorelic, a Clintinista who lied and blocked the 911 Comission from many avenues of investigation, is a paid lobbyists for the Telcos and got a lot of money to shove the FISA monstrosity into your kazoo. The FBI has never been vigilant–they steal guns, and laptops. They abuse investigation letters. they pry into bank accounts and they do this all without a scintilla of probable cause.
And congrats to the Dems for allowing the Denver police to set up holding facilities in Denver where the people grabbed can’t use the restroom or make a phone call. They could’ve stopped it and they haven’t.
Warehouse set to process convention arrests
If the next President has any common sense, he will undo the totalitarian moves of Mukasey and this one, and prosecute the people Mukasey
lacked the balls to go afterprotected who could easily have been prosecuted under 18 USC 1001 which the Hatch Act did not prevent for the fifteen millionth time.It is pathogmomonic of a move to gut the Fourth Amendment when this administration or DOJ at anytime cluck clucks that they are “preserving civil liberties.” Because when they do, they are gutting the hell out of them.
This is literally out of Naomi Wolfe’s Totalitarian Top 10 List from The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot.
From Wolfe:’
Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
Create a gulag
Develop a thug caste
Set up an internal surveillance system
Harass citizens’ groups
Engage in arbitrary detention and release
Target key individuals
Control the press
Dissent equals treason
Suspend the rule of law
We have ‘em all.
As I’ve said many times, when you have a generation of high school students who have not read five books, either classics or the “you’re being anorgasmically screwed now” type from the FDL Book Salon, America gets the democracy it preserves.
Your wireless portable device is now the subject of a fishing expedition on any domestic or overseas flight. The $100 new bags do as much to stop your email and docs from being read by cretins as Russ Feingold’s meek musings that it should not take place.
And this is what is being shoved up your kazoo from your Democrats in Congress who did nothing to stop FISA for the most part, and will do nothing to stop this.
ACLU and other organizations will sue, and the cowed and compliant D.C. Circuit and S. Ct. will still screw you.
We have evolved much closer to’ being the Totalitarn state that resembles North Koreas robot imprisoned people and those of China that ironically David Brooks finds desensitized.
Maybe someone should take Brooks for a walk in Washington, D.C. because he doesn’t have to travel further than home to see desensitization and pandemic apathy.
Would anyone like to venture an answer to my question in 32? It’s directly relevant to the “locked-in” issue.
How are these proposed changes to be made?
And if, as it seems to me, there isn’t enough specific information in this story to answer that: Was this Saturday-in-the-dead-of-August / Congress-out-of-town coverage supposed to be the extent of it? or does the Post plan to do some more actual reporting that would help us understand what, if any, options are available between now and January 20 to reverse the power grab?
From the last line in 62:
why, the Constitution is just a scrap of paper to me.”…
Who else is reported to have said the same thing, more recently?
Who has been described as ”best friend” of GHW Bush? The name is Will S. Farish III. Farish’s grandfather, WS Farish, ESSO NJ president, died in 1942, just months after being exposed by Asst. US Atty Gen., Thruman Arnold, ”trading with the enemy”, in Nazi Germany. Farish’s father, WS Farish Jr., died just month later, in a US Army Air Corps. mishap.
Farish III has been described as ”one of the richest and most secretive men in Texas”, yet Bush tapped him in 1980 to manage Bush’s financial holdings in a ”blind” Trust. After losing both his father and grandfather before age 5, the closest related male influence in young Farish’s life, was president of ”America First”, and a later founder of American Security Council , Gen. Robert E. Wood. Farish III and Wood’s son, Robert E. Wood II, are involved in this:
Add-Vision Inc.Mr. Ward has served as a Director on the Board at Add-Vision since 1999. … He has also served as Treasurer of the William Stamps Farish Fund, …
www.add-vision.com/chairman_directors.php - 18k - Cached - Similar pages
SEC Info - Churchill Downs Inc - PRE 14A - For 12/31/98(3) Mr. Farish does not serve full-time as an executive officer of the Company …. Director, Add-Vision, Breeders’ Cup Limited and Keeneland Associa tion, …
www.secinfo.com/djnr.6e.htm
Our main, and what should be obvious challenge is….we do not really know, or agree on…who our political enemies are, and they aren’t going to simply come out and reveal themselves to us. Watch what they do, and who they are most closely aligned to. How could the democratic party and it’s presidents be my political allies, when they have relied on, and appointed this man, in so many instances?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f.....A964958260
….”AS High Commissioner for occupied Germany, McCloy granted clemency to dozens of Nazi war criminals. He freed, or reduced the sentences of, most of the 20 SS extermination squad leaders, whose crimes he freely conceded were ”historic in their magnitude and horror.” Of the 15 death sentences handed down at the Nuremberg trials, McCloy carried out a mere five. Of the remaining 74 war criminals who were sentenced at Nuremberg to prison terms, he let many go free — most notoriously the industrialist Alfried Krupp, who had been sentenced at Nuremberg to 12 years in prison for using concentration camp inmates as slave labor. Krupp, accompanied by most of his board of directors, walked out of the Landsberg prison in 1951 to a cheering crowd and a champagne breakfast — with his fortune and industrial empire intact.
Much of the world was outraged. ”Why,” Eleanor Roosevelt wrote to McCloy, ”are we freeing so many Nazis?” The answer, Mr. Bird explains, was far from simple. For one thing, McCloy faced threats on his own life, and immense pressure from the German public and even from Pope Pius XII to grant a blanket amnesty — ”a well-organized conspiracy,” McCloy recalled, ”to intimidate me.”…..
It is a good question, and one I have been trying to discern the answer to as well. So far, I have had no joy. On the surface, it would appear to me that most of this could be done through administrative/regulatory framework, executive orders etc.; however, it is not truly clear.
Any of these efforts that come from policy can simply be reversed by the incoming administration. If there is a change to administrative regulations, they have to be reversed in the same way they were enacted, a dreary process. Statutes have to be repealed, which is just like passing a new statute. The thing that worries people here is that an incoming administration would not be willing to upset rules that give them more power.
The one thing I think would really help is a statute that says that if someone was hired in violation of the Hatch Act, they can be fired for no reason.
bmaz, you ”cling” desparately to ”the system”. Is that why you removed my post…
This is the info it contained….why not allow other readers to decide for themselves?
NY Times
…As Mr. Bird writes, he was responsible ”more than any other individual” for getting the President to issue the infamous Executive Order 9066, calling for the resettlement of more than 100,000 Japanese-Americans from the West Coast to ”relocation centers” (or, as Roosevelt more bluntly called them, ”concentration camps”). McCloy justified the decision by proclaiming, ”If it is a question of safety of the country, [ or ] the Constitution of the United States, why, the Constitution is just a scrap of paper to me.”…
Anyone familiar with William F. Buckley’s father-in-law?
Google News Archive
New York Times - Mar 1, 1942
Persons of Japanese race must also leave all protected areas forthwith. … which will be composed of three persons under the chairmanship of Austin Taylor, …
NY Times
By ARNALDO CORTESISpecial Cable to THE NEW YORK TIMES.
January 7, 1941, Tuesday
MEXICO CITY, Jan. 6 — William R. Davis, international oil operator, is expected to arrive in Mexico City Saturday together with Austin Taylor, described as his partner. His interest on this trip appears to be not oil, as in the past, but essential war metals, such as mercury, tungsten and molybdenum, that are produced in Mexico. …”
NY Times
Austin C. Taylor, financier and sportsman… Aeronautical Supplies and] chairman of the Imperial Munitions Board….
It seems Austin Taylor had a similar WWI ”government job”, as the one held by:
NY Times
SAMUEL P. BUSH, 83,A STEEL EXECIJTIVE; Ex-Head of Buckeye Casting Co. Succumbs in Ohio — Once on War Industries Board
February 9, 1948, Monday
Thanks, bmaz. I’m going to write to the Post reporter and the editors to ask for a little more detail and clarity.
I have written them as well. I hope they respond.
”I hope they respond.”
…and that is the limit your belief system confines you, to… You could so so much more with this ”bully pulpit”….the fascists who staged a successful coup in the US, a long time ago….but won’t as you expect, ever formally announce it, must chuckle when they read how distracted folks who believe themselves to be ”the opposition”, but who are really complicit in their denial”, can stoop to being….