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	<title>Comments on: Once Again, the Federal Government Uses Valerie to Screw Joe</title>
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		<title>By: JohnLopresti</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/13/once-again-the-federal-government-uses-valerie-to-screw-joe/#comment-94646</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnLopresti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One of the interesting parallel events was the “tort reform” efforts Republicans were nudging thru congress and DoJ itself was promulgating via federal register &lt;a href=&quot;http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2003/03-31489.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rulemaking &lt;/a&gt;in late 2003.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the interesting parallel events was the “tort reform” efforts Republicans were nudging thru congress and DoJ itself was promulgating via federal register <a href="http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2003/03-31489.htm" rel="nofollow">rulemaking </a>in late 2003.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT — But wrt this…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Welcome to the USSA. Your papers please.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;..and wrt the Dem party shooting, I trust everyone is aware of &lt;a href=&quot;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jypHZNgftqxSfgX2MymtfD-6oIIwD92H9CA80&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the other extreme unpleasantness in Arkansas&lt;/a&gt;?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Officers armed with military rifles have been stopping and questioning passers-by in a neighborhood plagued by violence that’s been under a 24-hour curfew for a week.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…The council said those living in the city want the random shootings and drug-fueled violence to stop, no matter what the cost.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Now if somebody wants to sue us, they have an option to sue, but I’m fairly certain that a judge will see it the way the way the citizens see it here,” Mayor James Valley said. “The citizens deserve peace, that some infringement on constitutional rights is OK…”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ACLU response &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.acluarkansas.org/content/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=89&amp;Itemid=4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, Dkos commentary &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/13/15613/7358/105/567391&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Somehow I’m sure we’ll soon learn why these are both HRC’s fault.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT — But wrt this…</p>
<blockquote><p>Welcome to the USSA. Your papers please.</p>
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<p>..and wrt the Dem party shooting, I trust everyone is aware of <a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jypHZNgftqxSfgX2MymtfD-6oIIwD92H9CA80" rel="nofollow">the other extreme unpleasantness in Arkansas</a>?  </p>
<blockquote><p>Officers armed with military rifles have been stopping and questioning passers-by in a neighborhood plagued by violence that’s been under a 24-hour curfew for a week.</p>
<p>…The council said those living in the city want the random shootings and drug-fueled violence to stop, no matter what the cost.</p>
<p>“Now if somebody wants to sue us, they have an option to sue, but I’m fairly certain that a judge will see it the way the way the citizens see it here,” Mayor James Valley said. “The citizens deserve peace, that some infringement on constitutional rights is OK…”</p>
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<p>ACLU response <a href="http://www.acluarkansas.org/content/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=89&amp;Itemid=4" rel="nofollow">here</a>, Dkos commentary <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/13/15613/7358/105/567391" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>Somehow I’m sure we’ll soon learn why these are both HRC’s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oops.  apologies; did not realize the full url would not show up in the comment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;seems a gunman has shot the chair of the dem party in arkansas.  he’s in critical condition.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops.  apologies; did not realize the full url would not show up in the comment.</p>
<p>seems a gunman has shot the chair of the dem party in arkansas.  he’s in critical condition.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/13/once-again-the-federal-government-uses-valerie-to-screw-joe/#comment-94510</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;shades of knoxville UU church massacre:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Gunman_wounds_Arkansas_Democratic_party_chairman_0813.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://rawstory.com/news/2008/....._0813.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and, as a sort of related side to knut’s highly propagandized republican friend, why have slimed dems - from kerry to wilson to obama to you name ‘em - not been suing these folks for slander?  john dean pointed to a reason why kerry could well have done so, finding a contradiction in the swiftboat book that showed they knew they were lying.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i mean, if freakin’ tom cruise can do it, why not the dems?  i’d donate to that.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that, and bring back the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE!!  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that’s where the big slide into propaganda oblivion started, right there.&lt;br /&gt;
(pun intended)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and now it seems, libruhls are fair game.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shades of knoxville UU church massacre:</p>
<p><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Gunman_wounds_Arkansas_Democratic_party_chairman_0813.html" rel="nofollow">http://rawstory.com/news/2008/&#8230;.._0813.html</a></p>
<p>and, as a sort of related side to knut’s highly propagandized republican friend, why have slimed dems &#8211; from kerry to wilson to obama to you name ‘em &#8211; not been suing these folks for slander?  john dean pointed to a reason why kerry could well have done so, finding a contradiction in the swiftboat book that showed they knew they were lying.</p>
<p>i mean, if freakin’ tom cruise can do it, why not the dems?  i’d donate to that.  </p>
<p>that, and bring back the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE!!  </p>
<p>that’s where the big slide into propaganda oblivion started, right there.<br />
(pun intended)</p>
<p>and now it seems, libruhls are fair game.</p>
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		<title>By: MsAnnaNOLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MsAnnaNOLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To our lawyers in the comments…is this over? Will they appeal? Isn’t there some way to hold someone accountable for this horrible action?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To our lawyers in the comments…is this over? Will they appeal? Isn’t there some way to hold someone accountable for this horrible action?</p>
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		<title>By: JamesJoyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesJoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;fascist bullshit……………&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fascist bullshit……………</p>
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		<title>By: plunger</title>
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		<dc:creator>plunger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The OVP has become the law.  Everything the VP authorizes anyone to do on his behalf, ALWAYS proclaimed to be in the name of “national security,” is legal, no matter how illegal it would otherwise be for mere citizens.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can’t even hold a preliminary hearing to determine the validity of a claim of “National security concerns,” because the hearing itself would require the discussion of national security issues at a level the public is not entitled to know, which the VP has unilaterally declared to be forbidden to discuss (since the strategies themselves are illegal).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The OVP has become the world’s most powerful office, above every law in the world.  Anyone inside his sphere of influence whom he chooses to immunize with his powers shall be protected from prosecution of any and all crimes they may commit on his behalf.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cross him, and you will find yourself subject to the laws of the land, with the full warrantless wiretap revenge of King Dick wielding the awesome power of the US Intelligence community against you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Welcome to the USSA.  Your papers please.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OVP has become the law.  Everything the VP authorizes anyone to do on his behalf, ALWAYS proclaimed to be in the name of “national security,” is legal, no matter how illegal it would otherwise be for mere citizens.</p>
<p>You can’t even hold a preliminary hearing to determine the validity of a claim of “National security concerns,” because the hearing itself would require the discussion of national security issues at a level the public is not entitled to know, which the VP has unilaterally declared to be forbidden to discuss (since the strategies themselves are illegal).</p>
<p>The OVP has become the world’s most powerful office, above every law in the world.  Anyone inside his sphere of influence whom he chooses to immunize with his powers shall be protected from prosecution of any and all crimes they may commit on his behalf.</p>
<p>Cross him, and you will find yourself subject to the laws of the land, with the full warrantless wiretap revenge of King Dick wielding the awesome power of the US Intelligence community against you.</p>
<p>Welcome to the USSA.  Your papers please.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;obviously NOT a “thinking Republican”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obviously NOT a “thinking Republican”</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yeah McSame too&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah McSame too</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“part of a concerted effort to embarrass her and her husband”  Embarrass?  How about undermine her intelligence investigations, take down Brewster Jennings, threaten the lives of other CIA undercover agents (will we ever hear anything about that report?) destroy her career, endanger her and her families lives.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would put money on that Valerie or Joe could give a rats ass about the embarrassment factor&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“part of a concerted effort to embarrass her and her husband”  Embarrass?  How about undermine her intelligence investigations, take down Brewster Jennings, threaten the lives of other CIA undercover agents (will we ever hear anything about that report?) destroy her career, endanger her and her families lives.</p>
<p>I would put money on that Valerie or Joe could give a rats ass about the embarrassment factor</p>
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