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	<title>Comments on: Kill Game: The Path Of Destruction From The Amerithrax Investigation</title>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/09/kill-game/comment-page-2/#comment-94041</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The woman is putting about $4000 on her back, $800 on her feet, and another $3000 on in bling every day.  No luxury is too fine for Queen Pelosi.  It’s all about power, but Bush completely dominates her and her compliant puppy dogs  on every issue and now DOJ feels free to wiretap every communication you make.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have to laugh at the sanctimonious presupposition that HIPPA matters when the government is magic lantering your email and listening to all your phone comunications, and your texting (if you’re teenboppersomething in age  or in your young twenties and a Gossip Girl afficianado and have read a total of five novels or less (the average US high school grad/college freshman).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Books are something little Tiffie won’t be taking to ole State U.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The woman is putting about $4000 on her back, $800 on her feet, and another $3000 on in bling every day.  No luxury is too fine for Queen Pelosi.  It’s all about power, but Bush completely dominates her and her compliant puppy dogs  on every issue and now DOJ feels free to wiretap every communication you make.</p>
<p>I have to laugh at the sanctimonious presupposition that HIPPA matters when the government is magic lantering your email and listening to all your phone comunications, and your texting (if you’re teenboppersomething in age  or in your young twenties and a Gossip Girl afficianado and have read a total of five novels or less (the average US high school grad/college freshman).</p>
<p>Books are something little Tiffie won’t be taking to ole State U.</p>
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		<title>By: wavpeac</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/09/kill-game/comment-page-2/#comment-94011</link>
		<dc:creator>wavpeac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You know what’s really bothersome. I get the feeling from Pelosi’s persnickety, well coiffed frame that if Rove and Meiers did piss on her, THEN she might do something. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Otherwise it’s just the constitution, don’t piss on my nice suit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what’s really bothersome. I get the feeling from Pelosi’s persnickety, well coiffed frame that if Rove and Meiers did piss on her, THEN she might do something. </p>
<p>Otherwise it’s just the constitution, don’t piss on my nice suit.</p>
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		<title>By: yonodeler</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/09/kill-game/comment-page-2/#comment-93954</link>
		<dc:creator>yonodeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kevin Coughlin has posted an archived Star-Ledger article from early 2002, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.nj.com/ledgerarchives/2008/08/fbis_critics_call_anthrax_hunt.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FBI’s critics call anthrax hunt slow&lt;/a&gt;, which lays out  observations from that time, including the following: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;President Bush wants the bureau to proceed carefully, to ensure proper procedures are followed and any anthrax evidence holds up in court, a spokesman has said.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Other scientists, led by Barbara Hatch Rosenberg, a bioweapons expert with the independent Federation of American Scientists, have accused the bureau of foot-dragging.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rosenberg, who teaches at the Purchase campus of the State University of New York, has hinted at potentially embarrassing U.S. violations of an international biowarfare treaty. She also maintains the FBI has suspects around Washington, D.C. - claims rebutted by the FBI and White House.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Coughlin has posted an archived Star-Ledger article from early 2002, <a href="http://blog.nj.com/ledgerarchives/2008/08/fbis_critics_call_anthrax_hunt.html" rel="nofollow">FBI’s critics call anthrax hunt slow</a>, which lays out  observations from that time, including the following: </p>
<blockquote><p>President Bush wants the bureau to proceed carefully, to ensure proper procedures are followed and any anthrax evidence holds up in court, a spokesman has said.</p>
<p>Other scientists, led by Barbara Hatch Rosenberg, a bioweapons expert with the independent Federation of American Scientists, have accused the bureau of foot-dragging.</p>
<p>Rosenberg, who teaches at the Purchase campus of the State University of New York, has hinted at potentially embarrassing U.S. violations of an international biowarfare treaty. She also maintains the FBI has suspects around Washington, D.C. &#8211; claims rebutted by the FBI and White House.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/09/kill-game/comment-page-2/#comment-93951</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that service of the warrant upon the entity within the time period is probably sufficient.  I am not positive about that, but it makes sense.  I have only ever fought this stuff in the form of grand jury subpoenas for such information, not direct search warrants; so I can’t say for sure.  Curious they didn’t use a subpoena or NSL demand etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“homemade yellow with silver duct tape body armor“.  Sure comes off a hell of a lot differently than the scary swat squad defying Rambo/Terminator picture they have been painting for the public eh?  Heh heh.  This really is the Iraqi Duct Tape Drone and Powell’s bogus UN dog and pony show redux.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that service of the warrant upon the entity within the time period is probably sufficient.  I am not positive about that, but it makes sense.  I have only ever fought this stuff in the form of grand jury subpoenas for such information, not direct search warrants; so I can’t say for sure.  Curious they didn’t use a subpoena or NSL demand etc.</p>
<p>“homemade yellow with silver duct tape body armor“.  Sure comes off a hell of a lot differently than the scary swat squad defying Rambo/Terminator picture they have been painting for the public eh?  Heh heh.  This really is the Iraqi Duct Tape Drone and Powell’s bogus UN dog and pony show redux.</p>
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		<title>By: rincewind</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/09/kill-game/comment-page-2/#comment-93945</link>
		<dc:creator>rincewind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There were 3 SW’s for email accounts (08-082, 08-083, and 08-084 on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usdoj.gov/amerithrax/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DOJ Amerithrax list of docs&lt;/a&gt;). All were issued on Feb 14 2008, “&lt;strong&gt;YOU ARE HEREBY COMMANDED to search on or before&lt;/strong&gt;” with a stamped date of “&lt;strong&gt;Feb 22 2008&lt;/strong&gt;“.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Note: I typed the accounts exactly as they appeared on the warrants, and it’s obvious WHY they used the [at] and [dot] formats, as almost all software now turns correctly formatted addies into links.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is no Return doc for 08-084, to Yahoo for “&lt;strong&gt;jimmyflathead[at]yahoo[dot]com&lt;/strong&gt;” and “&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:xxxxxxx@yahoo.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;xxxxxxx@yahoo.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;“.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Return doc for 08-083, to AOL for “&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:kingbadger7@aol.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;kingbadger7@aol.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;“, produced “&lt;strong&gt;One (1) CD containing snapshots of the requested e-mail account&lt;/strong&gt;” on Feb 18 2008.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Return doc for 08-082 is the funny and peculiar one — to MSN for “&lt;strong&gt;goldenphoenix111[at]hotmail[dot]com&lt;/strong&gt;“. In the box that says “&lt;strong&gt;DATE AND TIME WARRANT EXECUTED&lt;/strong&gt;“, there are two entries: “&lt;strong&gt;2/14/08  4:08 pm = faxed&lt;/strong&gt;” and “&lt;strong&gt;2/26/08 = MSN executed&lt;/strong&gt;“. Does that mean that the Fibbies ’served’ the warrant by fax on the 14th, but MSN didn’t produce their result until the 26th, and does that satisfy the order to search before the 22nd?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This Return made me ROTFLMAO:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;MSN was unable to determine the user of the email account based on the terms provided, specifically “[at]” instead of “@”, and “[dot]” instead of “.”.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(There are no docs indicating that they tried again with a revised account name.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And yep, I laughed too when I read Item 15 from the July 12 Return: “&lt;strong&gt;homemade yellow with silver duct tape body armor&lt;/strong&gt;“.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were 3 SW’s for email accounts (08-082, 08-083, and 08-084 on the <a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/amerithrax/" rel="nofollow">DOJ Amerithrax list of docs</a>). All were issued on Feb 14 2008, “<strong>YOU ARE HEREBY COMMANDED to search on or before</strong>” with a stamped date of “<strong>Feb 22 2008</strong>“.</p>
<p>(Note: I typed the accounts exactly as they appeared on the warrants, and it’s obvious WHY they used the [at] and [dot] formats, as almost all software now turns correctly formatted addies into links.)</p>
<p>There is no Return doc for 08-084, to Yahoo for “<strong>jimmyflathead[at]yahoo[dot]com</strong>” and “<strong><a href="mailto:xxxxxxx@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">xxxxxxx@yahoo.com</a></strong>“.</p>
<p>The Return doc for 08-083, to AOL for “<strong><a href="mailto:kingbadger7@aol.com" rel="nofollow">kingbadger7@aol.com</a></strong>“, produced “<strong>One (1) CD containing snapshots of the requested e-mail account</strong>” on Feb 18 2008.</p>
<p>The Return doc for 08-082 is the funny and peculiar one — to MSN for “<strong>goldenphoenix111[at]hotmail[dot]com</strong>“. In the box that says “<strong>DATE AND TIME WARRANT EXECUTED</strong>“, there are two entries: “<strong>2/14/08  4:08 pm = faxed</strong>” and “<strong>2/26/08 = MSN executed</strong>“. Does that mean that the Fibbies ’served’ the warrant by fax on the 14th, but MSN didn’t produce their result until the 26th, and does that satisfy the order to search before the 22nd?</p>
<p>This Return made me ROTFLMAO:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>MSN was unable to determine the user of the email account based on the terms provided, specifically “[at]” instead of “@”, and “[dot]” instead of “.”.</strong></p>
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<p>(There are no docs indicating that they tried again with a revised account name.)</p>
<p>And yep, I laughed too when I read Item 15 from the July 12 Return: “<strong>homemade yellow with silver duct tape body armor</strong>“.</p>
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		<title>By: LiberalHeart</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/09/kill-game/comment-page-2/#comment-93933</link>
		<dc:creator>LiberalHeart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What I heard was, yes, there was a grand jury but they hadn’t yet heard any evidence presented re the anthrax case. Don’t grand juries typically hear several cases during their service?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I heard was, yes, there was a grand jury but they hadn’t yet heard any evidence presented re the anthrax case. Don’t grand juries typically hear several cases during their service?</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/09/kill-game/comment-page-2/#comment-93930</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The grand jury is still up and running, working on the investigation.  It’s a work in progress, but whether DOJ knows the facts or not has never gotten in their way for a press conference.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The grand jury is still up and running, working on the investigation.  It’s a work in progress, but whether DOJ knows the facts or not has never gotten in their way for a press conference.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/09/kill-game/comment-page-2/#comment-93929</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes but if Ivins was trying to kill himself, and we don’t know for sure (feds or his handlers or people he never met who framed him) he could grab meds from years back, or he could have meds shoved down his throat, or he could buy meds anywhere.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Until the feds cough up information this is going to continue to be&lt;strong&gt; entirely speculative.&lt;/strong&gt;You live in a country that used to be a democracy and is anything but a democracy.  The DOJ doesn’t feel they have to answer to anyone, and Congress as oversight is a weak passive appendage that’s a joke.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People like Rove, Miers, Bolten and Bush piss on Congress as often as you use the bathroom. That’s just the facts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes but if Ivins was trying to kill himself, and we don’t know for sure (feds or his handlers or people he never met who framed him) he could grab meds from years back, or he could have meds shoved down his throat, or he could buy meds anywhere.</p>
<p>Until the feds cough up information this is going to continue to be<strong> entirely speculative.</strong>You live in a country that used to be a democracy and is anything but a democracy.  The DOJ doesn’t feel they have to answer to anyone, and Congress as oversight is a weak passive appendage that’s a joke.</p>
<p>People like Rove, Miers, Bolten and Bush piss on Congress as often as you use the bathroom. That’s just the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/09/kill-game/comment-page-2/#comment-93925</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There was a grand jury impanelled, but it had not yet considered charges.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a grand jury impanelled, but it had not yet considered charges.</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You’re referring to Halloween being the day before, yes?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And to alank and others:  There’s been ample documentation in articles cited on this very post that the Ivins are Catholic.  Read about the memorial service.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re referring to Halloween being the day before, yes?</p>
<p>And to alank and others:  There’s been ample documentation in articles cited on this very post that the Ivins are Catholic.  Read about the memorial service.</p>
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