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		<title>By: Gitcheegumee</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/07/native-tears/comment-page-1/#comment-93760</link>
		<dc:creator>Gitcheegumee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I may have missed it, but I didn’t see any refernce to the fact that John McCain has been influential in all things relating to the BIA . Most specifically, the hearings involving the Coushatta Indians and the Abramoff scandal. In fact,John McCain SAT on  an Email tying Abramoff to the chicanery surounding the railroading of Alabama governor Don Segilman-(in an attempt to keep gambling OUT of that state and IN Mississippi,run by Haley Barbour,Jacks BBF).HuffPo and SamStein did a piece on this in Feb. of this year. Abramoff’s ties to Isreal and his lobbying eforts are well known,but John McCain and Israels ties via gambling have been less publicized…evidence of lack does not always imply lack of evidence.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have missed it, but I didn’t see any refernce to the fact that John McCain has been influential in all things relating to the BIA . Most specifically, the hearings involving the Coushatta Indians and the Abramoff scandal. In fact,John McCain SAT on  an Email tying Abramoff to the chicanery surounding the railroading of Alabama governor Don Segilman-(in an attempt to keep gambling OUT of that state and IN Mississippi,run by Haley Barbour,Jacks BBF).HuffPo and SamStein did a piece on this in Feb. of this year. Abramoff’s ties to Isreal and his lobbying eforts are well known,but John McCain and Israels ties via gambling have been less publicized…evidence of lack does not always imply lack of evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 06:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jaango;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hayworth is quite a despicable being, as you say, with ties to Abramoff, among other sordid ‘achievements’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You concern regarding the judiciary certainly resonates with my observations here in Penns Woods, some counties in the state’s (Pennsylvania)judiciary system have long been in the thrall of judges who are justifiably described, by somewhat ‘liberal’ attorneys of my aquaintance, as being “slightly to the left of Attila the Hun”.  I some cases I would say the comparison is probably unfair to Atilla.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As the American middle-class is further beset by the unfolding economic depression, more people, who are unaccustomed to the ‘experience’ will find themselves facing judges who shall have little sympathy for plight of those compelled to appear before them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While the less ‘well-rewarded’ have, for many years, known that ‘justice’ without deep pockets is harsh indeed, many, who could never have imagined unkindly fate as a too-constant companion for themselves, may find that they too are but a few dollars away, not only from privation, but also, perhaps, of the loss of certain freedoms they had come to take for granted. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Off, rambling again I am, Jaango.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hayworth is a ‘politician’ we all should keep our eyes on, the ascendency of J. D. and his ilk portend nothing but ill for the rest of humanity. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, once again, daylight is fast approaching and tomorrow promises to be a long and busy day.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is a pleasure to learn of your perspectives, to ’see’ the horizons of your landscapes, and I find your philosophy inspired, Jaango. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you for sharing your thoughful sensibilities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;David&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaango;</p>
<p>Hayworth is quite a despicable being, as you say, with ties to Abramoff, among other sordid ‘achievements’.</p>
<p>You concern regarding the judiciary certainly resonates with my observations here in Penns Woods, some counties in the state’s (Pennsylvania)judiciary system have long been in the thrall of judges who are justifiably described, by somewhat ‘liberal’ attorneys of my aquaintance, as being “slightly to the left of Attila the Hun”.  I some cases I would say the comparison is probably unfair to Atilla.</p>
<p>As the American middle-class is further beset by the unfolding economic depression, more people, who are unaccustomed to the ‘experience’ will find themselves facing judges who shall have little sympathy for plight of those compelled to appear before them.</p>
<p>While the less ‘well-rewarded’ have, for many years, known that ‘justice’ without deep pockets is harsh indeed, many, who could never have imagined unkindly fate as a too-constant companion for themselves, may find that they too are but a few dollars away, not only from privation, but also, perhaps, of the loss of certain freedoms they had come to take for granted. </p>
<p>Off, rambling again I am, Jaango.</p>
<p>Hayworth is a ‘politician’ we all should keep our eyes on, the ascendency of J. D. and his ilk portend nothing but ill for the rest of humanity. </p>
<p>Well, once again, daylight is fast approaching and tomorrow promises to be a long and busy day.</p>
<p>It is a pleasure to learn of your perspectives, to ’see’ the horizons of your landscapes, and I find your philosophy inspired, Jaango. </p>
<p>Thank you for sharing your thoughful sensibilities.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: JohnLopresti</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnLopresti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One of the effects of city orientation can be a confined sense of proportion.  There may be few people on a reservation but the lands are large.  Consider this reservation of the native American community in south west AZ known as the “Tohono O’odham”, population 24,000 people; their dedicated lands comprise an area &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itcaonline.com/tribes_tohono.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the size of CT&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the effects of city orientation can be a confined sense of proportion.  There may be few people on a reservation but the lands are large.  Consider this reservation of the native American community in south west AZ known as the “Tohono O’odham”, population 24,000 people; their dedicated lands comprise an area <a href="http://www.itcaonline.com/tribes_tohono.html" rel="nofollow">the size of CT</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: jaango</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;DWBartoo,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the response, again.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Given that we are an Exemplar of “maturation”, there is much to be said, and I have learned over the years that the Elders tend to be far more correct than incorrect.  Take, for example, “We have borrowed this planet from our children!” or “Living within the Heart!” teaches much when one is willing demonstrate the patience to “hear” and to “listen”.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Earlier this year, I took the decision to participate here with the Big Pups and on those issues of particular importance that will encourage voters to visit the Ballot Box on Election Day, and the Cobell decision will accomplish much to reinforce this behavior. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lest I forget, I find rambling not to be annoying.  I have been known to do that as well.  As a proud member of the slow-walking “maturation for modernity” club, it beats having to spend any monies on the services on a mental health expert. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, my ramble.  Permit me to toss out the name of J.D Hayworth.  He is a former member of the House and was eventually ousted by Harry “Gramps” Mitchell, a former civics teacher, a former Mayor Tempe, and a former state legislator.  Regardless, while a member of the House, He, Hayworth established the Indian Caucus, appointed himself Chairman and of course, he is not Native American and the Caucus only had one member and that was Hayworth. Thus, an Opportunist of some note, but then, we have McCain too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hayworth involved mself in the Cobell litigation and introduced legislation to ’solve’ this lawsuit.  His dollar amount for financial compensation was $500 million.  What I find interesting is that this dollar amount parallels the judges decision.  Needless to say, Hayworth was a ‘public’ member of the Minutemen here in Arizona.  Consequently, our Judiciary has been infected with similar thinking by our Elected and Appointed Officials.  Thus, the Judiciary will continue to propagate this egregious thinking in their decison-making and for years to come. And many folks who hold to my view of politics, consider this the equivalent to the “land mines in self-governance that need to be extruded quietly and efficiently.”  A toxic environment indeed!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jaango&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DWBartoo,</p>
<p>Thanks for the response, again.</p>
<p>Given that we are an Exemplar of “maturation”, there is much to be said, and I have learned over the years that the Elders tend to be far more correct than incorrect.  Take, for example, “We have borrowed this planet from our children!” or “Living within the Heart!” teaches much when one is willing demonstrate the patience to “hear” and to “listen”.  </p>
<p>Earlier this year, I took the decision to participate here with the Big Pups and on those issues of particular importance that will encourage voters to visit the Ballot Box on Election Day, and the Cobell decision will accomplish much to reinforce this behavior. </p>
<p>Lest I forget, I find rambling not to be annoying.  I have been known to do that as well.  As a proud member of the slow-walking “maturation for modernity” club, it beats having to spend any monies on the services on a mental health expert. </p>
<p>Now, my ramble.  Permit me to toss out the name of J.D Hayworth.  He is a former member of the House and was eventually ousted by Harry “Gramps” Mitchell, a former civics teacher, a former Mayor Tempe, and a former state legislator.  Regardless, while a member of the House, He, Hayworth established the Indian Caucus, appointed himself Chairman and of course, he is not Native American and the Caucus only had one member and that was Hayworth. Thus, an Opportunist of some note, but then, we have McCain too.</p>
<p>Hayworth involved mself in the Cobell litigation and introduced legislation to ’solve’ this lawsuit.  His dollar amount for financial compensation was $500 million.  What I find interesting is that this dollar amount parallels the judges decision.  Needless to say, Hayworth was a ‘public’ member of the Minutemen here in Arizona.  Consequently, our Judiciary has been infected with similar thinking by our Elected and Appointed Officials.  Thus, the Judiciary will continue to propagate this egregious thinking in their decison-making and for years to come. And many folks who hold to my view of politics, consider this the equivalent to the “land mines in self-governance that need to be extruded quietly and efficiently.”  A toxic environment indeed!</p>
<p>Jaango</p>
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		<title>By: oboblomov</title>
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		<dc:creator>oboblomov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No, DOI is worse because they have been that way from the very start. IMO&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: pajarito</title>
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		<dc:creator>pajarito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I work for Department of Interior.  Judge Lamberth got it exactyly right: a dinosaur……&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A relict of the white-man expansion and exploitation of the American West that remains today to serve those who benefited, now at taxpayer expense.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Scott Horton wonders if DOJ is the most corrupt federal agency, I would suggest DOI is not far behind.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for Department of Interior.  Judge Lamberth got it exactyly right: a dinosaur……</p>
<p>A relict of the white-man expansion and exploitation of the American West that remains today to serve those who benefited, now at taxpayer expense.</p>
<p>Scott Horton wonders if DOJ is the most corrupt federal agency, I would suggest DOI is not far behind.</p>
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		<title>By: MarieRoget</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/07/native-tears/comment-page-1/#comment-93214</link>
		<dc:creator>MarieRoget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Credit where credit is due, DWBartoo.  I was in a hurry to hit the road for the gym &amp; meant to highlight that link, which bmaz had originally included in his post.  Thought it needed a little spotlighting so folks would go to it &amp; read Elouise Cobell’s piece.  The link is also an excellent resource on the issue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My brother &amp; I emailed back ‘n forth quite a bit last night about this wretched verdict.  He isn’t shaking his head, he’s white hot angry.  Mom explained her personal experiences w/the BIA to us all many times when we were kids (Mom was Huron).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Time to go after the DOI on this one, &amp; they will.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Credit where credit is due, DWBartoo.  I was in a hurry to hit the road for the gym &amp; meant to highlight that link, which bmaz had originally included in his post.  Thought it needed a little spotlighting so folks would go to it &amp; read Elouise Cobell’s piece.  The link is also an excellent resource on the issue.</p>
<p>My brother &amp; I emailed back ‘n forth quite a bit last night about this wretched verdict.  He isn’t shaking his head, he’s white hot angry.  Mom explained her personal experiences w/the BIA to us all many times when we were kids (Mom was Huron).</p>
<p>Time to go after the DOI on this one, &amp; they will.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bmaz,&lt;br /&gt;
I’m way late to this party, but better late than never, I hope.&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks for writing this piece! By way of background, I lived on the Navajo Reservation for a year, and was married to a Navajo woman for 8 years. I was also a resident of Arizona for 17 years, and we thought that when Clinton named favorite son Bruce Babbitt to the Dept of the Interior, this whole mess would be resolved in a noble manner. But it wasn’t. In eight years, Babbitt didn’t help much at all. That was a real disappointment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bmaz,<br />
I’m way late to this party, but better late than never, I hope.<br />
Thanks for writing this piece! By way of background, I lived on the Navajo Reservation for a year, and was married to a Navajo woman for 8 years. I was also a resident of Arizona for 17 years, and we thought that when Clinton named favorite son Bruce Babbitt to the Dept of the Interior, this whole mess would be resolved in a noble manner. But it wasn’t. In eight years, Babbitt didn’t help much at all. That was a real disappointment.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: oboblomov</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/07/native-tears/comment-page-1/#comment-93191</link>
		<dc:creator>oboblomov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Over ten years ago a Hopi told me that there was some kind of “official” Israeli aid program in Hopi in the form of an agricultural mission.  Seemed very strange to me, and before I had a chance to meet them, it folded. I didn’t learn until much later that at least some Israelis have a thing about American Indian Reservations and their relevance to the Palestinians.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Thus, as already mentioned, the scholarly consensus is that Palestinians were ethnically cleansed in 1948. Israel’s leading historian, Benny Morris, although having done more than anyone else to clarify exactly what happened, nonetheless concludes that, morally, it was a good thing — just as, in his view, the “annihilation” of Native Americans was a good thing–that legally, Palestinians have no right to return to their homes, and that, politically, Israel’s big error in 1948 was that it hadn’t “carried out a large expulsion and cleansed the whole country–the whole Land of Israel, as far as the Jordan” of Palestinians. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt; from N Finkelstein, &lt;em&gt;Beyond Chutzpah&lt;/em&gt; pg 5.  Benny Morris quotes from: Ari Shavit, “Survival of the Fittest,” interview with Benny Morris, &lt;em&gt;Haaretz&lt;/em&gt; (9 January 2004)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over ten years ago a Hopi told me that there was some kind of “official” Israeli aid program in Hopi in the form of an agricultural mission.  Seemed very strange to me, and before I had a chance to meet them, it folded. I didn’t learn until much later that at least some Israelis have a thing about American Indian Reservations and their relevance to the Palestinians.</p>
<blockquote><p>Thus, as already mentioned, the scholarly consensus is that Palestinians were ethnically cleansed in 1948. Israel’s leading historian, Benny Morris, although having done more than anyone else to clarify exactly what happened, nonetheless concludes that, morally, it was a good thing — just as, in his view, the “annihilation” of Native Americans was a good thing–that legally, Palestinians have no right to return to their homes, and that, politically, Israel’s big error in 1948 was that it hadn’t “carried out a large expulsion and cleansed the whole country–the whole Land of Israel, as far as the Jordan” of Palestinians. </p></blockquote>
<p> from N Finkelstein, <em>Beyond Chutzpah</em> pg 5.  Benny Morris quotes from: Ari Shavit, “Survival of the Fittest,” interview with Benny Morris, <em>Haaretz</em> (9 January 2004)</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good to see you here, Jaango, once again.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Such a monumental pile of ‘white trash’ as you suggest is outrageously appropriate.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The casual hubris, historically, of the barely yet dominant Caucasian or “light-skined division of humanity” (according to the Oxford American Dictionary) is still, on occassion, to be both witnessed and experienced; even today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This thread bears such witness.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The empires of the West, of which this, the American Empire, is the last, have exacted a terrible obedience to a smugly self-perceived sensibility, imagining itself superior to any and all different cosmologies, different cultures, and especially, towards other peoples, other human beings.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As we know, but have not, generally, acknowledged either as society or as individual human being, whenever any people set themselves apart and above others then it becomes imperative that the humanity of the ‘other’ be diminished or denied.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is true whether we speak of class war fare, the ‘peculiar’ institution, slavery, or the systematic destruction of the civilizations of nations or peoples, or a male-dominated social ‘order’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The history of our species’ behavior is replete with such strife and brutal manipulation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By now, we human animals, one would hope, however audacious such hope  appears, might have begun to understand that by most fantastic good fortune we live on a planet to which we are quite ideally suited. Consider, what other place may we imagine where we should feel so much at home?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, as our stone-age brains struggle to interpret the meaning of a mile-high edifice to profound ignorance and our far more ancient emotional responses begin to comprehend the enormity of what is before us, may we, all of us, have the good sense to realize that all we ever truly have to spend, as human beings, is time.  And that our knowledge is always surpassed by what we don’t know, and that, if we have children, then the world already belongs to them, and that all of us, are really only guests of the future, that we are all here, only for the briefest moment of time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jaango, you have provided me an excuse to ramble a bit, for which I hope you will not be overmuch annoyed.  Presuming upon our too-short aquaintance,  I would take leave of you now with one parting concern, that we may, all of us, learn what is needful, which I suspect is far beyond what any single one of us may know, or can even imagine; may we learn these manifest things before, and hopefully well-before, it is too late.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Though it is morning here, Jaango, I bid you good night.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see you here, Jaango, once again.</p>
<p>Such a monumental pile of ‘white trash’ as you suggest is outrageously appropriate.  </p>
<p>The casual hubris, historically, of the barely yet dominant Caucasian or “light-skined division of humanity” (according to the Oxford American Dictionary) is still, on occassion, to be both witnessed and experienced; even today.</p>
<p>This thread bears such witness.</p>
<p>The empires of the West, of which this, the American Empire, is the last, have exacted a terrible obedience to a smugly self-perceived sensibility, imagining itself superior to any and all different cosmologies, different cultures, and especially, towards other peoples, other human beings.</p>
<p>As we know, but have not, generally, acknowledged either as society or as individual human being, whenever any people set themselves apart and above others then it becomes imperative that the humanity of the ‘other’ be diminished or denied.</p>
<p>This is true whether we speak of class war fare, the ‘peculiar’ institution, slavery, or the systematic destruction of the civilizations of nations or peoples, or a male-dominated social ‘order’.</p>
<p>The history of our species’ behavior is replete with such strife and brutal manipulation.</p>
<p>By now, we human animals, one would hope, however audacious such hope  appears, might have begun to understand that by most fantastic good fortune we live on a planet to which we are quite ideally suited. Consider, what other place may we imagine where we should feel so much at home?</p>
<p>So, as our stone-age brains struggle to interpret the meaning of a mile-high edifice to profound ignorance and our far more ancient emotional responses begin to comprehend the enormity of what is before us, may we, all of us, have the good sense to realize that all we ever truly have to spend, as human beings, is time.  And that our knowledge is always surpassed by what we don’t know, and that, if we have children, then the world already belongs to them, and that all of us, are really only guests of the future, that we are all here, only for the briefest moment of time.</p>
<p>Jaango, you have provided me an excuse to ramble a bit, for which I hope you will not be overmuch annoyed.  Presuming upon our too-short aquaintance,  I would take leave of you now with one parting concern, that we may, all of us, learn what is needful, which I suspect is far beyond what any single one of us may know, or can even imagine; may we learn these manifest things before, and hopefully well-before, it is too late.</p>
<p>Though it is morning here, Jaango, I bid you good night.</p>
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