Comments on: Anthrax Timeline, Two

By: damagedone

damagedone — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:16:18 +0000

I have heard a couple of times that Ivins traveled to many mail sites to send correspondences. Since there has been no mention of Anthrax being found in his car, I assume FBI did not find any? Any auto records of where his car was (or the mileage) during the time frame? Sometimes people slip up even when they are trying to be careful. On the other hand, it may indicate that he did not travel to the Princeton campus.

By: Slothrop

Slothrop — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:24:31 +0000

Posner’s first book, however, is almost entirely the FBI case against LHO.
He is way too forgiving of FBI work to judge anything related to this one.
Citing Posner as an “expert” is laughable.

By: Librarianna

Librarianna — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:41:58 +0000

Oops. the first excerpt seems to be in reference to 9-11 rather than the anthrax attacks. My bad.

Nonetheless, anger isn’t really an inappropriate reaction. As I recall there was a lot of it going around…

By: egregious

egregious — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:15:46 +0000

I believe October 2 was the first time “inhalational anthrax” was in the news in this case. I remember feeling sick to my stomach hearing that phrase wrt terrorism. Interesting that’s when judyjudyjudy’s book came out. It’s all about catapulting the propaganda.

So what else was in the Aspens letter besides bioweapons and Iraq and Iran, there was some fourth thing they were supposed to hype.

By: watercarrier4diogenes

watercarrier4diogenes — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:17:00 +0000

Posner was on Countdown (clip # 4) last night and is most definitely going to have a field day with this one. He’s contacted microbiologists both here and in Europe about the ‘lyophilizer’ in that lab and describes in detail why there’s no way that machine could have been used to make weapons grade powdered anthrax spores. They have a positive ionic charge and a coating that increases their ability to reach deeply into lungs when inhaled. A lyophilizer is a glorified freeze-dryer (think backpacking food).

By: Librarianna

Librarianna — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:03:49 +0000

Did anyone notice this in the email exerpts?

September 15,2001, “I am incredibly sad and angry at what happened,
now that it has sunk in. Sad for all of the victims, their farnilies;their friends.
And angry. Very angry. Angry at those who did this, who support them, who
coddle them, and who excuse them.”

It sounds more like he suspects someone(s) rather than feels guilty.

And this:
On July 18,2007, a forensic psychiatrist completed a detailed review of Dr. Ivins
insurance billing records for medical appointments and prescriptions. Additionally, this
psychiatrist was provided with an overview of Dr. Ivins’s social habits, interests, and obsessions.
The forensic psychiatrist stated that based on his experience, if Dr. Ivins was the mailer, it is
quite possible that Dr. Ivins retained some kind of souvenir or references to the mailing events.

Is this forensic psychologist the Dr. Irwin that Duley mentions? Please notice this “detailed review” of documents and information (provided by unknown persons) occurs AFTER her allegations of threats by Dr.Ivins, which indicates to me that he wasn’t the original clinical psychiatrist. It also occurred BEFORE her complaint was filed, so could be the source of her heresay allegations.

Did any of you see anything even resembling “souvenirs of the mailing events” having ever been found?
Didn’t think so.

I find these email exerpts and paraphrases extremely suspect. It occurs to me that Dr. Ivins may have been aware that some of his problems may have been caused by the medications but those portions of the messages could have been edited out.

By: ericbrewer

ericbrewer — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:55:12 +0000

October 29, 2001: General John Parker mis-reports that silica found in anthrax sample

It’s premature to conclude that silica was not found. Silicon was definitely present. When silica is analyzed by mass spectrography, it shows up as silicon and oxygen, as shown in the spectrum at the bottom of the page linked above.

No proof has been provided for claims made in 2006 by Beecher and Meselson that the anthrax was additive-free.

No proof has been provided for Meselson’s theory that the silicon was naturally present in the spore coat.

By: leveymg

leveymg — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:34:15 +0000

You’re on the right track, eruditeblonde. Follow the money, and you’ll find a perfectly good reason why the chain of events unfolded the way they did, along with the real motive for the attacks.

Just follow the history of how Ivins created value for BioPort/Emergent, and once that company had cornered the market and bought out all its potential competitors in the industry, the last being Vaxgen that sold out in March the new vaccine process Ivins developed for it, Ivins was snared by the FBI. See, http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....310/563110

By: yellowsnapdragon

yellowsnapdragon — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:10:32 +0000

Glad to see that you included the MZM contract of July, 2002 in the timeline, EW. I smell a link to the money/corruption side of your research. Deep roots of the Aspen indeed.

By: Quzi

Quzi — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:39:53 +0000

I wonder if there is any significance to Glenn Cross being hired by the FBI:

“The FBI has hired a former colleague of Steven J. Hatfill who provided the bureau with information about him for its long-running anthrax investigation, an unusual move that some experts said could pose an appearance of conflict of interest if the government tries to use the employee as a prosecution witness.

An FBI spokesman said the recent hiring of Glenn Cross as a full-time counterterrorism analyst based at FBI headquarters is “not related to the anthrax case” and would not prevent him from testifying before a grand jury or in a court proceeding.”

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/Bio.....uejob.html