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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/01/who-first-spread-the-iraqi-anthrax-claim/comment-page-2/#comment-91578</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“This is aerosol physics, not biology,” Dr. Zelicoff added. “There are very few people who have their feet in both camps.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then it shouldn’t take long to create a short list of those who do have feet in both camps.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“This is aerosol physics, not biology,” Dr. Zelicoff added. “There are very few people who have their feet in both camps.”</p>
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<p>Then it shouldn’t take long to create a short list of those who do have feet in both camps.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/01/who-first-spread-the-iraqi-anthrax-claim/comment-page-2/#comment-91577</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;we know as a fact he was given precise intel telling him when the attack would take place, where, the specific targets and how it would be accomplished including the specific weapons&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;source?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>we know as a fact he was given precise intel telling him when the attack would take place, where, the specific targets and how it would be accomplished including the specific weapons</p>
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<p>source?</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Woolsey really gives me the creeps.  A real spook.  He came to Ohio University to speak during the Baker Peace Conference (can never quite figure out why people like Woolsey or Dennis Ross are asked to be the main speakers at a Peace Conference).  I was able to ask Woolsey a polite question about the Office of Special Plans and the creation and dessimination of false pre war intelligence that had come out of that office I also got in a question about his defense connections and “alleged” profits.   Woolsey was so pissed by my question he lost it and screamed at me to sit down.  I would not and asked  him again about the Office of Special Plans  Douglas Feith and his association with defense contracts.  He would not answer at all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Woolsey came to Ohio again to push for sanctions against Iran&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/11/1116/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.commondreams.org/ar.....5/11/1116/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;James Woolsey and defense investments&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0511-07.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.commondreams.org/he.....511-07.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woolsey really gives me the creeps.  A real spook.  He came to Ohio University to speak during the Baker Peace Conference (can never quite figure out why people like Woolsey or Dennis Ross are asked to be the main speakers at a Peace Conference).  I was able to ask Woolsey a polite question about the Office of Special Plans and the creation and dessimination of false pre war intelligence that had come out of that office I also got in a question about his defense connections and “alleged” profits.   Woolsey was so pissed by my question he lost it and screamed at me to sit down.  I would not and asked  him again about the Office of Special Plans  Douglas Feith and his association with defense contracts.  He would not answer at all.</p>
<p>Woolsey came to Ohio again to push for sanctions against Iran<br /><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/11/1116/" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/ar&#8230;..5/11/1116/</a></p>
<p>James Woolsey and defense investments<br /><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0511-07.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/he&#8230;..511-07.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I thought of that too.  That would be awful.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I thought of that too.  That would be awful.</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/01/who-first-spread-the-iraqi-anthrax-claim/comment-page-2/#comment-91233</link>
		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Duley’s a piece of work, eh?  Definitely more to know there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duley’s a piece of work, eh?  Definitely more to know there.</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/01/who-first-spread-the-iraqi-anthrax-claim/comment-page-2/#comment-91226</link>
		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My guess is neocon overreach.  Note that the White House (not OVP) denied from the beginning, very publicly (as noted in Glenn G.’s call-outs of ABC) that there was bentonite in the letters’ anthrax.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They were ginning up a war, yes, but this is a case where Bush and Cheney and his neocon buds were on two different tracks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is neocon overreach.  Note that the White House (not OVP) denied from the beginning, very publicly (as noted in Glenn G.’s call-outs of ABC) that there was bentonite in the letters’ anthrax.</p>
<p>They were ginning up a war, yes, but this is a case where Bush and Cheney and his neocon buds were on two different tracks.</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There’s been a problem over the last day, still persists with some sites, of viewing with IE blogs that use SiteMeter, particularly blogspot sites.  Blog owners who pulled the SM found the problem for IE readers disappeared.  Don’t know if SiteMeter has fully resolved the problem or not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Appears so, since three blogs I couldn’t visit this morning are still accessible and one has the sitemeter working.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s been a problem over the last day, still persists with some sites, of viewing with IE blogs that use SiteMeter, particularly blogspot sites.  Blog owners who pulled the SM found the problem for IE readers disappeared.  Don’t know if SiteMeter has fully resolved the problem or not.</p>
<p>Appears so, since three blogs I couldn’t visit this morning are still accessible and one has the sitemeter working.</p>
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		<title>By: gosprey</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/01/who-first-spread-the-iraqi-anthrax-claim/comment-page-2/#comment-91164</link>
		<dc:creator>gosprey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Did Pat unintentionally “off” Ivins by pushing Mukasey in the “creepy exchange” Marcy spotted? (Talk about “don’t get mad…”) More detail on the unauthorized/unreported Ivins’ clean-ups would also be interesting.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Pat unintentionally “off” Ivins by pushing Mukasey in the “creepy exchange” Marcy spotted? (Talk about “don’t get mad…”) More detail on the unauthorized/unreported Ivins’ clean-ups would also be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: dopeyo</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/01/who-first-spread-the-iraqi-anthrax-claim/comment-page-2/#comment-91163</link>
		<dc:creator>dopeyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;(puts on tin-foil hat) so cheney over-reacted to a false-alarm going off on sept.20 2001? he would have been sitting in one of america’s most secure locations at the time. i see people regularly ignoring fire alarms with the rationale “it’s probably just a drill.” but not cheney. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what was cheney doing on sept 18-19th? perhaps some of his neocon buddies came in to wargame a few ideas. one neocon reaches into his pocket, pulls out a small glass vial and says “if a little bit of anthrax got out, who knows what the reaction would be?” cheney gets a little alarmed and and screams “WTF are you doing walking around with anthrax for god’s sake?”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“not to worry, big guy. it’s just talcum power.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a day or two later, the alarm goes off and cheney thinks “that idiot brought real anthrax in here. OMG i’m going to die!”  after a few hours, the alarm is proved to be false. cheney is relieved and goes back to his regular duties. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a year and some months later, cheney and his pals are sitting around his secure location chewing the fat. cheney remembers the phony anthrax vial, and suggests they pass it on to powell for his big speech at the UN. if it worked on cheney, it has to fool the rubes….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so now the questions are: who made visits to ft. detrick and to cheney in the week after 9-11? who were brian williams’ 4 sources, and were they on familiar terms with cheney? one of those 4 is the link to the bioweapons lab.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(takes off tinfoil hat, carefully places it on a bookshelf for use in october 2008.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(puts on tin-foil hat) so cheney over-reacted to a false-alarm going off on sept.20 2001? he would have been sitting in one of america’s most secure locations at the time. i see people regularly ignoring fire alarms with the rationale “it’s probably just a drill.” but not cheney. </p>
<p>what was cheney doing on sept 18-19th? perhaps some of his neocon buddies came in to wargame a few ideas. one neocon reaches into his pocket, pulls out a small glass vial and says “if a little bit of anthrax got out, who knows what the reaction would be?” cheney gets a little alarmed and and screams “WTF are you doing walking around with anthrax for god’s sake?”.</p>
<p>“not to worry, big guy. it’s just talcum power.”</p>
<p>a day or two later, the alarm goes off and cheney thinks “that idiot brought real anthrax in here. OMG i’m going to die!”  after a few hours, the alarm is proved to be false. cheney is relieved and goes back to his regular duties. </p>
<p>a year and some months later, cheney and his pals are sitting around his secure location chewing the fat. cheney remembers the phony anthrax vial, and suggests they pass it on to powell for his big speech at the UN. if it worked on cheney, it has to fool the rubes….</p>
<p>so now the questions are: who made visits to ft. detrick and to cheney in the week after 9-11? who were brian williams’ 4 sources, and were they on familiar terms with cheney? one of those 4 is the link to the bioweapons lab.</p>
<p>(takes off tinfoil hat, carefully places it on a bookshelf for use in october 2008.)</p>
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		<title>By: wavpeac</title>
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		<dc:creator>wavpeac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You know as a therapist I have had lots of clients try to kill themselves with pills. Smart clients. However, (knock on wood) not one of my clients has ever successfully completed this with pills. I knew of someone from when I worked as a psych tech years ago at a mental hospital who successfully committed suicide using aspirin. Many of my clients have survived tylenol. Not too say their livers are okay today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, men tend to use more impulsive violent means to kills themselves. It is not as common for men to do it with pills. Men use cars and guns, most often. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A scientist would know he was taking a risk of actually completing the act of suicide by pill. It is the least lethal means. Most folks are found before they die or change their minds mid stream, how pills respond in the body can vary significantly from person to person. Now certainly there are limits to this, and sure thing dosages, but tyelenol with codeine is not usually given in large quantities. It would be more successful to buy a bunch of tylenol (which can be purchased in large quantities). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know…it just strikes me as odd. Not impossible, not implausible, but not common.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know as a therapist I have had lots of clients try to kill themselves with pills. Smart clients. However, (knock on wood) not one of my clients has ever successfully completed this with pills. I knew of someone from when I worked as a psych tech years ago at a mental hospital who successfully committed suicide using aspirin. Many of my clients have survived tylenol. Not too say their livers are okay today.</p>
<p>Also, men tend to use more impulsive violent means to kills themselves. It is not as common for men to do it with pills. Men use cars and guns, most often. </p>
<p>A scientist would know he was taking a risk of actually completing the act of suicide by pill. It is the least lethal means. Most folks are found before they die or change their minds mid stream, how pills respond in the body can vary significantly from person to person. Now certainly there are limits to this, and sure thing dosages, but tyelenol with codeine is not usually given in large quantities. It would be more successful to buy a bunch of tylenol (which can be purchased in large quantities). </p>
<p>I don’t know…it just strikes me as odd. Not impossible, not implausible, but not common.</p>
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