Comments on: Scott McClellan Dismantles Cheney’s Plame Firewall

By: Leen

Leen — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:53:04 +0000

those declassification dates

By: Leen

Leen — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:47:43 +0000

Treason…

equal justice under the law

By: 4jkb4ia

4jkb4ia — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:49:28 +0000

My husband speaks from his knowledge of classified information:

The VP can declassify things which he classified himself or which someone working for him classified or which people in the CIA got for him. His ability to declassify a whole NIE is dubious. Cheney may be trying to mix up the perfectly legal things he can declassify with the less legal things in the interview, knowing that Hume will not ask the follow-up questions.

By: ltgra

ltgra — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:30:48 +0000

Since no one is watching, I will try to give a picture of scooter that might put it in perspective.

Think of that little dog in telephone ad in France, when the landlady sets him? down he scoots along on his butt to relieve the itch from the worms.

Now think of scooter and that stud muffin who used to visit the white house.

By: alabama

alabama — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:34:41 +0000

Thanks, LS. Though that cipher might have served W as a “w” in some of his earlier days (if only under the influence), it obviously wouldn’t work in any other context…

Gregg is cool, and I wish I’d learned it fifty years ago. I’m surprised to learn that it’s quicker (or more reliable?) to transcribe the sounds of the word “question,” rather than dedicating a specific mark to the sentence-type–except that a “?” would probably cause its own problems as a curved line…

By: LS

LS — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:45:08 +0000

“Question” or it could be “action” is based on the combination of Gregg “symbols”…the top of what looks like a sideways “W”..is an arch which is “Kuh” sound..the wiggle down..is sort of a combo of “s” “ch” sound…and the line of the W (the bottom horizontal) is “n”. Actually, normally the squiggle down would be on the other side. Maybe he’s a lefty, or maybe that’s just how he does it…That is how characters and words are made. You have to learn it and practice it to write it and read it…you can’t do it by looking at something online (other than to see specific phonetical characters), because they don’t present how you put it together and how to make the words. There are short forms of frequently used words also. He uses symbols all over his notes mixed in with regular words…like Miller. They become somewhat personalized when you use them a lot..i.e., you do it your way, because you are the one reading it. Libby did not want his notes to be easily read obviously, and was probably in a hurry when he was taking notes, but he needed to be able to read them back to himself.

Personally, I used it for transcription for 20 plus years..which is why I recognize it…but I’ve personalized some characters at times for speed sake…hoping I could read it back to myself later… Also, I don’t see why he would refer to himself to himself when he’s the one taking the notes about what to do. He already knows what he’s supposed to do, which is why I think that “I” is identity or intel or something like that. I think that it is Libby with a question about showing Miller the “I” “paragraph”. Maybe that is referring to what he was going to ask Addington about.

Or, maybe EW is right…It’s just my observation and my 2 cents. Not trying to cause a problem.

By: alabama

alabama — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:54:31 +0000

I’ve googled three Gregg handbooks, none containing signs that distinguish sentence-types (declarative, interrogative, exclamatory, whatever). So how does it happen that “w” (supposing that it one) has to mean “question”? And granted, as said in @74, that “Libby uses P with a line over it for President,” does this necessarily preclude the possibility that he might, on the rarest of occasions, use “w” to mean “w” (slightly encrypted by turning it on its side)? Or to put it another way: is his shorthand consistently, and only, Gregg? If so, why do we see the word “Miller”?

I have the recurring fantasy that Bush is sitting in the room with Cheney and Libby, or talking with them over a secured phone. Or maybe he’s listening in–outside the circle drawn around the message (which doesn’t parse, in and of itself, as a question). And then the “I” becomes “me, myself, Irving”.

Fantasy of Libby writing a message to himself that says: “Bush is on the phone, and Cheney is telling me to meet with Miller and tell her what she needs to know. Bush is cool with this.”

By: lllphd

lllphd — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:43:39 +0000

that ‘w’ - is what you’re referring to that squiggly thing on the far left?

don’t know gregg from hieroglyphics, but that just looks like the fancy bracket to me - { - poorly executed.

fwiw

By: rdwdkw

rdwdkw — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 03:08:26 +0000

Marci, got that pardon chart made up yet?

By: jackie

jackie — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:43:15 +0000

Hmmm, that makes a difference. I had not really taken Joe’s long relationship with both the Deplomatic and Secret side of the house..
Cheney and Co really did get a twofer. Huge ripple effect, bet they liked that.
Thanks