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	<title>Comments on: Rove&#8217;s Contempt: For All the Reasons We&#8217;ve Been Talking About</title>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Though I haven’t been told this precisely, I have been led to believe that the reason they’re waiting until the Bates ruling is that the Bates ruling will either be a big win–or it will establish a solid case for Inherent Contempt. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In other words, the reason to wait until September (that is, until after the Bates ruling) is that it raises the chances of whatever contempt you do do being successful.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I haven’t been told this precisely, I have been led to believe that the reason they’re waiting until the Bates ruling is that the Bates ruling will either be a big win–or it will establish a solid case for Inherent Contempt. </p>
<p>In other words, the reason to wait until September (that is, until after the Bates ruling) is that it raises the chances of whatever contempt you do do being successful.</p>
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		<title>By: jerikoll</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerikoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;on the re-read, I see I said ”as him” in the 5th paragraph, 2nd line.  It should have been ”ask him.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on the re-read, I see I said ”as him” in the 5th paragraph, 2nd line.  It should have been ”ask him.”</p>
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		<title>By: jerikoll</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerikoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, I am afraid I see in all this only another case of ”rushing to the brink” of excitement only to fall down into the hole.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr Rove is everywhere.  His opinions are even more available than when he was the President’s number one lackey.  I just read a July 31 article from him over at the WSJ.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But then he seems very unwilling to accept the Democrats request for personal face to face hearings with the camera’s on, and oaths administered!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now some say it is fear, but I think not.  I see him teasing the Democrats, the liberal media, and, please don’t get upset, even the bloggers with what he will do and what he will say.  I see wild speculation as every comment by him and his lawyer is analyzed up and down to see what he said or didn’t say.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Something like this –”Yes he said he didn’t speak to this group, but WAIT he didn’t say that he didn’t speak to the little green man at Area 51, so maybe that means something.  If only we could corner him and as him specifically about what he said to the green man, why then we would bust this case clean open.” (note the quotes are for emphasis.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So let us follow that fictional logic with the little green man a little further to make a point.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Various court rulings, or perhaps Mr Rove’s own sense of humor and a desire for more material for a new book finally bring him to the hearings—&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Conyers at EW’s direction: ”Mr Rove did you speak to the little green man about the Governor’s case?”  ”Well Sir, I won’t say that I didn’t mention it in passing in a casual conversation but I don’t recall anything particular.  I only say that much because there was some scuttlebutt about the Governor at the time and it could have come up.  I surely wouldn’t want you to think I was concealing anything.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;… once again over the brink into the hole.  (sorta a rabbit hole in a classical way)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I am afraid I see in all this only another case of ”rushing to the brink” of excitement only to fall down into the hole.</p>
<p>Mr Rove is everywhere.  His opinions are even more available than when he was the President’s number one lackey.  I just read a July 31 article from him over at the WSJ.</p>
<p>But then he seems very unwilling to accept the Democrats request for personal face to face hearings with the camera’s on, and oaths administered!</p>
<p>Now some say it is fear, but I think not.  I see him teasing the Democrats, the liberal media, and, please don’t get upset, even the bloggers with what he will do and what he will say.  I see wild speculation as every comment by him and his lawyer is analyzed up and down to see what he said or didn’t say.</p>
<p>Something like this –”Yes he said he didn’t speak to this group, but WAIT he didn’t say that he didn’t speak to the little green man at Area 51, so maybe that means something.  If only we could corner him and as him specifically about what he said to the green man, why then we would bust this case clean open.” (note the quotes are for emphasis.)</p>
<p>So let us follow that fictional logic with the little green man a little further to make a point.</p>
<p>Various court rulings, or perhaps Mr Rove’s own sense of humor and a desire for more material for a new book finally bring him to the hearings—</p>
<p>Conyers at EW’s direction: ”Mr Rove did you speak to the little green man about the Governor’s case?”  ”Well Sir, I won’t say that I didn’t mention it in passing in a casual conversation but I don’t recall anything particular.  I only say that much because there was some scuttlebutt about the Governor at the time and it could have come up.  I surely wouldn’t want you to think I was concealing anything.”</p>
<p>… once again over the brink into the hole.  (sorta a rabbit hole in a classical way)</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is excellent analysis by Marcy, and tight reasoning by Conyers and his staff, but I do not doubt that left to the courts they will find a way to rationalize any kind of privilege, for any Republican administration particularly this one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is excellent analysis by Marcy, and tight reasoning by Conyers and his staff, but I do not doubt that left to the courts they will find a way to rationalize any kind of privilege, for any Republican administration particularly this one.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Three phrases:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Running out the clock (as in basketball)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Inherent contempt (as in you ain’t nevah gonna see it)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bottom Line Stupid Pelosi sending things through the D.C. Circuit or otherwise running out the clock and they skate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m thinking Pelosi and Rove on “Dancing with the Stars” has more possibilities than any consequences for Rove. You can take that to the bank.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three phrases:</p>
<p>Running out the clock (as in basketball)</p>
<p>Inherent contempt (as in you ain’t nevah gonna see it)</p>
<p>Bottom Line Stupid Pelosi sending things through the D.C. Circuit or otherwise running out the clock and they skate.</p>
<p>I’m thinking Pelosi and Rove on “Dancing with the Stars” has more possibilities than any consequences for Rove. You can take that to the bank.</p>
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		<title>By: waynec</title>
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		<dc:creator>waynec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I totally agree with you on this parris. The President can, has and will do whatever he damn well wants and we are powerless to do anything because we wait for our officials to do what we ask them to do. They are politicians and will do whatever it takes to be reelected. And guess what? We’ll reelect them. Again and again. Bush was reelected for god’s sake. So, it’s up to us, the voters, as rwcole says in #36. But besides console eachother I feel powerless. It’s been said many times here before, that the Dems are “stalling.” We still don’t know why. With a 9% approval rating why isn’t some kind of action being taken of ANY issues??&lt;br /&gt;
I’m soooo tired of this BS. I think I’ll have another Fat Tire and retire.&lt;br /&gt;
WayneC&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you on this parris. The President can, has and will do whatever he damn well wants and we are powerless to do anything because we wait for our officials to do what we ask them to do. They are politicians and will do whatever it takes to be reelected. And guess what? We’ll reelect them. Again and again. Bush was reelected for god’s sake. So, it’s up to us, the voters, as rwcole says in #36. But besides console eachother I feel powerless. It’s been said many times here before, that the Dems are “stalling.” We still don’t know why. With a 9% approval rating why isn’t some kind of action being taken of ANY issues??<br />
I’m soooo tired of this BS. I think I’ll have another Fat Tire and retire.<br />
WayneC</p>
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		<title>By: waynec</title>
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		<dc:creator>waynec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I called Nancy P but her mail box was full…&lt;br /&gt;
WayneC&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I called Nancy P but her mail box was full…<br />
WayneC</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agreed.  However, it is just ridiculous stalling to wait until some unknown “time in September” as Pelosi has specifically stated will be done.  At a minimum, the contempt should be voted out before they leave for break so that it is transmitted to Mukasey while the Congress is resting their poor, tired soles and souls from all that really hard work they have been doing.  That way they would have Mukasey’s answer waiting when they return.  Instead, Pelosi hold the country’s citizens, the Constitutional separation of powers and the rule of law in such contempt that she is intentionally wasting an entire month, if not more.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  However, it is just ridiculous stalling to wait until some unknown “time in September” as Pelosi has specifically stated will be done.  At a minimum, the contempt should be voted out before they leave for break so that it is transmitted to Mukasey while the Congress is resting their poor, tired soles and souls from all that really hard work they have been doing.  That way they would have Mukasey’s answer waiting when they return.  Instead, Pelosi hold the country’s citizens, the Constitutional separation of powers and the rule of law in such contempt that she is intentionally wasting an entire month, if not more.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Careful, though.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While I don’t think Mukasey will enforce this, this instance of a subpoena differs dramatically from the instances Mukasey was talking about (which is why I keep harping on these issues).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What Mukasey has always said is that he would not enforce a subpoena after DOJ gave the person an opinion saying EP was valid. In this case, WH &lt;strong&gt;never asked&lt;/strong&gt; DOJ for an opinion about this subpoena. So to argue that DOJ can’t enforce this subpoena based on prior DOJ guidance, Mukasey woudl first have to assert that he believes the opinions from last year–up to and including the “official duties” claim–holds true for this subpoena, which asks for different stuff.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful, though.</p>
<p>While I don’t think Mukasey will enforce this, this instance of a subpoena differs dramatically from the instances Mukasey was talking about (which is why I keep harping on these issues).</p>
<p>What Mukasey has always said is that he would not enforce a subpoena after DOJ gave the person an opinion saying EP was valid. In this case, WH <strong>never asked</strong> DOJ for an opinion about this subpoena. So to argue that DOJ can’t enforce this subpoena based on prior DOJ guidance, Mukasey woudl first have to assert that he believes the opinions from last year–up to and including the “official duties” claim–holds true for this subpoena, which asks for different stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: MsAnnaNOLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MsAnnaNOLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mukasey won’t enforce contempt of congress&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/mukasey_no_i_will_not_enforce.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi.....nforce.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can we at least Impeach Mukasey for refusing the enforce the contempt of congress. No Atty General would be better than this criminal.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mukasey won’t enforce contempt of congress</p>
<p><a href="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/mukasey_no_i_will_not_enforce.php" rel="nofollow">http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi&#8230;..nforce.php</a></p>
<p>Can we at least Impeach Mukasey for refusing the enforce the contempt of congress. No Atty General would be better than this criminal.</p>
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