I speculated the other day that Bob Novak's Plame leak brokers in the Off the Record Club--specifically, top McCain aides Charlie Black and Ken Duberstein--were using him as a tool again when they leaked that McCain was about to name his running-mate.
Well, lo and behold, guess who's now on the record, once again pitching an imminent announcement of McCain's running mate?
Anxious to counter the blanket media coverage that has followed Sen. Barack Obama on his overseas journey, Sen. John McCain is weighing whether to announce his running mate in the coming weeks before the spotlight shifts to China and the opening of the Olympic Games next month.
"He's in a position to make [the decision] on short notice if he wanted to," said Charles R. Black Jr., one of McCain's top political advisers.
Two top aides to the presumptive Republican nominee said the decision is likely to be announced after Obama returns from Europe on Sunday and before the Beijing Olympics begin Aug. 8. They said the campaign fears that unanticipated events coming out of China -- whether in the form of athletic accomplishments or human rights protests -- could deflect attention from the announcement if it were made during the Games. [my emphasis]
And if you compare this on the record story with what Novak was told--"they didn't want it to come out the way it was going to come out"--both stories seem designed to pressure McCain not to announce his running mate when he currently plans to announce.
Many Republicans say the traditional time frame for an announcement -- the days leading up to the GOP convention -- is not practical this year, because the Democratic convention ends so soon before the Republican gathering. It's unlikely, they said, that McCain would announce his pick the day after Obama gives his convention speech.
And several McCain aides said they oppose the idea of making a vice presidential announcement during the Olympics.
That, and I'm sure Charlie Black and friends are desperate to get whathisname back in the press, now that Obama's sucking up all the media's attention. How many more times do you think Charlie Black is going to try this ploy, before someone labels him the Boy Who Cried "Veep!"?
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Maybe it’s time for McCain to throw another barbecue for the press!
It’s just too bad Germans are unable to vote in U.S. elections. If we could convince Karl Rove to support Obama maybe he could arrange that.
ew Kucinich on Washington Journal right now…9a.m
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs.....38;Code=CS
sorry 8a.m over now.
Love it! The entire campaign now can be described as Grimm. Look at all the stories today with Repugs running around saying “The press is falling! The press is falling (for Obama)!”
Ew/all check this out
Letter Sent to Attorney General Mukasey Requesting ‘Protection for Mr. Connell and His Family From This Reported Attempt to Intimidate a Witness’ After Tip from ‘Credible Source’
Karl Rove has threatened a GOP high-tech guru and his wife, if he does not “‘take the fall’ for election fraud in Ohio,” according to a letter sent this morning to Attorney General Michael Mukasey, by Ohio election attorney Cliff Arnebeck.
http://www.bradblog.com/
Attorney Cliff Arneback, Bob fitkaris and Harvey Wasserman have been on top of the Ohio Election fraud and many other issues in Ohio
http://freepress.org/about.php
A pick-up from the previous thread…(LS @ 41 and especially Hmm @ 74)
Letter Sent to Attorney General Mukasey Requesting ‘Protection for Mr. Connell and His Family From This Reported Attempt to Intimidate a Witness’ After Tip from ‘Credible Source’
UPDATE: OH AG Reportedly Asked to Provide Immunity Protection…
Karl Rove has threatened a GOP high-tech guru and his wife, if he does not “‘take the fall’ for election fraud in Ohio,” according to a letter sent this morning to Attorney General Michael Mukasey, by Ohio election attorney Cliff Arnebeck.
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/elect...../klbna.php
http://www.opednews.com/articl.....8-804.html
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6214
http://thejournal.epluribusmed.....on-lawyers
Bored now. McCain’s Veep pick is really his only hole card left. He’s spent a lot of time focussing on non-straight-white-Protestant-men, but we all know that he’ll ultimately pick a straight white Protestant man (i.e. not Crist, Jinal, Romney, or Fiorina, respectively). Whoever he picks is going to be a big letdown, because there just aren’t that many dynamic straight white Protestant men left in the Ruplican party. There are just a bunch of dull, boring ones. Dangling the possibility of a Veep announcement is really the only thing McCain can do right now to get ANY media coverage.
That being said, he’d be insane to announce his pick before the Olympics, because he’s going to need that sole hole card in September when people start paying attention to the Presidential race again.
Hey Leen we are the same track here!
http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/node/2164
http://www.velvetrevolution.us/
A crowd just applauded Kucinich as he came into the hearing.
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs.....38;Code=CS
Hopefully they do not detract from the hearing
this has been brewing for quite some time as you must know
This hearing on “alleged” (choke) misconduct by the Executive branch in the run up to the invasion of Iraq should have started just after we worked our asses off to get the Dems in.. in 2006
Oh, thank you, Leen. For some reason I thought the hearing wasn’t till 1 pm. Thanks for posting. (I hear chants in the background.)
And remember, he has been following the Ohio election fraud issues behind the scenes for quite a while…Perhaps he plans to enter this latest into the record?
A great list he has behind him for testimony…
The code pink natives etc are restless and rightfully so!
Just a sideshow…no different than Obama spouting Bush’s lines about “Afghanistan is the frontline on “the war against terror”…al-Qaeda, the talley-bam”, sounding just like Bush…and McCain….
I am proud to note that my wiki update is displayed undisturbed, for a fifth straight day now…(Truth to Power!)
“Early life and political career…
….It was not documented, until July 20, 2008, and never previoulsy disclosed by Davis, that his grandfather was WWII Nazi agent, William Rhodes Davis, an American working to supply oil from Mexico for Hitler’s Germany, and to aid the 1940 presidential election campaign of republican candidate, Wendell Wilkie. William Rhodes Davis died about August 1, 1941, a year before the birth of Gray Davis, reportedly “removed” by British spymaster Sir William Stephenson, aka “Intrepid”.[7]….”
Yep, I brought this up to EW quite a while ago for following as a story. OSU Moritz School of Law has been quite the heavy hitter on this as research goes.
Well, I don’t know. Why couldn’t he name one today, change his mind and name another whenever Obama gets too much press, and then again before the convention? It could be a big fake-out and get lots of press!
Gore Vidal writings about Kucinich
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..71779.html
Dennis Kucinich
By Gore Vidal
http://www.informationclearing…..e18790.htm
http://www.truthdig.com/report….._republic/
Gore Vidal’s Article of Impeachment
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Posted on Jun 11, 2008
Kucinich
AP photo / Stephan Savoia
Fightin’ words: Rep. Dennis Kucinich brandishes his pocket Constitution on the campaign trail in New Hampshire last January.
By Gore Vidal
Listen to the author read this essay.
On June 9, 2008, a counterrevolution began on the floor of the House of Representatives against the gas and oil crooks who had seized control of the federal government. This counterrevolution began in the exact place which had slumbered during the all-out assault on our liberties and the Constitution itself.
Olberman and Jonathon Turley on Kucinich’s articles of impeachment
http://blogyournews.com/2008/0.....troduced-b
y-rep-dennis-kucinich-in-the-house-of-representatives/
Well. Conyers is starting off quite grandly. Separation of powers, civil liberties, Jefferson. Yes!
http://blogyournews.com/2008/0.....entatives/
Hope dies reluctantly. Yer watchin’ the theatrics of one, consolidated major US political party, with two right wings. Nothing is going to happen, from within “the system”. “They” own it….and all of the actors on the stage at the Capitol….here’s the recent rhetoric of the “candidate for change”:
“In Kabul, Obama calls Afghan front ‘central’ to war on terror …
Jul 20, 2008 … KABUL: Afghanistan must become “the central front” in the war on terror, Barack Obama said Sunday in the Afghan capital, sharpening his …
www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/20/mideast/obama.php “
9/11….9/11….9/11…. McBush, or McBush lite…..those are the flavors du jour, ladies and germs….what flavor can I scoop into yer cone, sir?
There are no “choices”, it’s a “closed”, rigged system.
I was able to attend those election hearings in Ohio that Conyers put together with Fitkaris, Arneback, Wasserman and many others who pushed hard for those election fraud hearings. The Ohio voters that testified kicked some ass with their direct experiences
Rep Lamar Smith must need an investigation about a blow job to take impeachment hearings seriously.
Hopefully Speaker of the House Nancy “off the table” Pelosi is listening
Fitrakis wrote vehemently in 2003, about Bush and Schwarzenegger “nazi ties in the family”:
http://www.google.com/search?h.....38;spell=1
….but he never even looked at Gray Davis’s family background…. One consolidated political party, folks…..
Wexler arguing for impeachment hearings — applause (tsk tsk).
no dedicated thread for the hearing?
Steve King smears Joe Wilson.
(Where is Mum/Mom/Mama?)
I still think any Republican who would get on the Impeachment hearings bus would win in the fall. If one of these Republicans based their support for impeachment hearings on integrity the election would shift this fall
Was King in this position when the lies about a Blow job impeachment hearings went on?
Actually, no — he just mentioned that. He was sitting in the public gallery watching the Blow Job hearings, and that inspired him to run for Congress. Hmmn.
YET! Conyers says the House hasn’t met to determine whether they should begin impeachment hearings YET.
the blow job or the hearing?
Hello Rep King the very same false intelligence was disseminated to many of the countries he mentioned who thought Saddam had WMD’s.
By the way when are we going to witness our Reps do anything with the findings of the delayed and finally released Phase II of the SSCI
lol
Yeah, but they’d do it by torpedoing all the ones who didn’t, which isn’t exactly a path to power and influence.
I’ve never seen this before — every member is giving an opening statement. Lungren just said that they have that right, but I’ve never seen it exercised before.
Lundgren—I can’t address the issues (I’ll lose) so I’ll just attack the dems for being so gauche.
I’m enjoying the attempt to say “but you Dems complained about Clinton’s impeachment as not being warranted … this is no different!” But then I think about how the majority of Americans will perceive these hearings and I cease to have fun.
Nadler ripping Lungren a new one. You go!
Rep Lungren so concerned about whether these are impeachment hearings
High crimes and misdemeanors. I would think that Lungren would consider 0ver 4000 dead Americans, 1 million dead Iraqi people, 4 million Iraqi refugees and tens of thousands of injured people … all a direct consequence of an unnecessary war based on a “pack of lies” high crimes and misdemeanors ? But heh what do I know
Which ones are the “dems”? They seem like they all are on the same team, at least all of the leaders are. I used to think extremely highly of Euss Feingold, and I thought, how bad can his party be….if he stays in it. Then, I saw a youtube video of Russ blasting one of his own constituents….for asking Feingold if it wasn’t possible that it was not in the best interests of the US to be a client nation of Israel….and the guy didn’t even say “of Likud”…..no, they all seem to wear the same stripes….right wing, or extreme right wing….just two flavors…nothing to see, here, turn off your TeeVee!
Nadler — I was here for the prurient circus that was the Clinton impeachment. This is worse. Inquiring into excesses of executive branch in what appears to be attempt to destroy powers of the legislative and judicial branches — not a waste of time.
I wrote that badly. Nadler wasn’t saying that these hearings are worse — obviously, he meant that the offences being investigated are worse.
Rep Pence your words are hollow, weak and lies
Study this equation Mr. Pence
Lies under oath about a blow job = Impeachment
An Intelligence Snowjob = No Accountability
I can think of a good reason why some people on the committee would be very worried as to whether this is an impeachment hearing. Assume, for the moment, that there’s some secret reason why Pelosi has put impeachment “off the table.” Assume, also, that this reason is relatively unique to her, such that many others are under no such restriction. If, during these hearings, it becomes too clear that real impeachment are called for, even Pelosi might be forced to allow it to happen. Thus, while we have to sit through the Kibuki, it is crucial - from their point of view - that it go no further.
bmaz… here’s the website of a California attorney who wonders, “out loud”, if Gray Davis’s “closet” grandfather, may have murdered the attorney’s uncle, WJ Cash:
http://www.wjcash.org/Elkcash/....._1941.html
“….Subsequent history shows that the Reforma was a favorite hostel for Nazi agents in Mexico City, notably Hermann Goering protege and one of the the Nazi’s top experts on Latin American economic penetration, Joachim Hertslet of the Reich Foreign Economics Ministry, and his associate and Texas-Louisiana millionaire and Nazi oil supplier, William Rhodes Davis, Abwehr agent number C-80. The two had repeated meetings with Germany’s ambassador to Mexico, Baron Rudt, in the Reforma’s presidential suite throughout 1939 and into early 1940. Davis used the hotel whenever he went to Mexico. Davis went to Mexico City in mid-June, 1941 to meet with Mexican government officials in an effort to establish a bank in Mexico which would have, if implemented, ultimately enabled re-funding of the financially depleted Nazi espionage activities.(See, e.g., Mystery Man, by Dale Harrington, Brassey’s, 1999, pp. 63, 80-81, 126, 184; Hitler’s Undercover War, by William Breuer, St. Martin’s Press, 1989) Cash had editorialized on Davis as late as January 7 and 10, 1941, calling him first a “prize sucker”, then a traitor for his trades–in mercury. (See “Bad Defense” and “A Buyer”, Charlotte News) Alchemy may not turn mercury to gold, but may yet yield truth from untruth, reality from unreality.”
Woot!Sheila Jackson-Lee waving her Constitution! I like that.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure this is just a bid for attention. And why not. The media will never call them on their lies when they get caught in them.
As to McCain’s straight white Protestant male, there are some (I’m agnostic and don’t really care) that wouldn’t consider Mitt to qualify as Protestant.
Jackson-Lee: this is an institutional question. Defence of the Constitution.
Rep Sheila Jackson Lee bringing many of the Bush administration crimes that are impeachable…outing of Plame, the undermining of our Judicial system, signing statements etc etc
Trent Franks: guilt and fear are the default. Well, he didn’t say that, but that’s what he thinks. Look at all the rights we’re giving terrorists!
“make Alice in Wonderland roll her eyes” head spinning
Hank Johnson got a flurry of applause for saying that the outing of a CIA agent on its own was an impeachable offence.
Rep Johnson ripping it up the deaths of American soldiers, Iraqi people, the injured “certainly that qualifies as an impeachable offense”
illegal wiretapping, torture, selective prosecutions etc etc.
Folks
I’m only keeping a half ear on this hearing. I need some down time to organize for some other projects. If I head something exciting I’ll put up a new thread–but feel free to use this as a thread for the hearing.
Baldwin and Ellison also spoke. A number of members haven’t?
But we’re shifting now to the witnesses — Kucinich is up.
Thanks EW thought this hearing was rather important so I could not help myself…get some down time…you sure deserve it
I counted 10 of 22 d’s and 5 of 17 r’s in attendance, but I could have missed some.
Not exactly a house full of committee members.
Kucinich opened by focusing on the Iraq war, then referred fairly briefly to executive overreaching. Tidy statement.
Am I a bad person for replaying the “Is America ready for a MILF?” episode of the Colbert Report as I watch Hinchey speak? And why are my eyes twitching to the right?
Hey, Jonathan Weisman finally took one of my questions (I posted about five). And yes, the Post will not take it seriously!
Gee, I don’t know….why should the press devote resources to investigating whether the executive branch is engaging in law breaking? Hmmm, I just can’t think of an answer. Coming up blank!
Are you sure that wasn’t McCain answering? “My friend….”
Our Reps have more important things to do like becoming co-sponsors for the next unnecessary strike on a nation that has not attacked us. You know H Con Res 362 promoted by Aipac after their last conference
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/.....N.RES.362:
co sponsors for warmongering legislation 362
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/.....00362:@@@P
KEEP PUSHING
Anti-War Movement Successfully Pushes Back Against Military Confrontation With Iran
stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust
Posted July 23, 2008 | 01:29 PM (EST)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....14545.html
Yep, I’ll have to find it. Moritz has the record online of those hearings. Tragic testimony.
Nice comments by the minority. Love the confidence in stating “no evidence”.
The polls on congress are lower than the EOP, VP because we want congress to throw the bums out.
Jonathan Weisman knows his business….and nothing about it has changed…this is an article from 62 years ago….and the press permitted Gray Davis to run for governor three times, in the most populous state in the US, without ever mentioning that the Davis described in the 1946 Time article was Gray Davis’s grandfather….and notice what happened to the Asst. AG, O. John Rogge, who tried to discuss what he confirmed from interviewing Goering and von Ribbentrop at Nuremberg:
http://www.time.com/time/magaz.....86,00.html
Out of Turn
Monday, Nov. 04, 1946
“At quiet Swarthmore College one night last week, 0. (for Oet je) John Rogge, special assistant to the U.S. Attorney General and prosecutor of the hapless 1944 Washington sedition trials, raked over a few coals concerning Nazi wartime intrigue in U.S. politics.
Rogge traced out the oft-told tale of the late oilman William R. Davis, who, inspired by the German Government, had tried to mediate World War II back in 1940. He also mentioned John L. Lewis, Senator Burton K. Wheeler and other touchy names in the same breath with Nazi bigwigs.
To the familiar Davis story Rogge added the authority of months spent in Germany this year, poring over Nazi records. Upon his return Rogge had turned over a report to Attorney General Tom Clark with the expectation that it would be published. Instead, Clark had kept it in the files.
After Rogge’s Swarthmore speech Pennsylvania Republicans gleefully recalled that pro-German Bill Davis once had connections with another prominent politico: Senator Joe Guffey, facing defeat Nov. 5.
Indignantly Tom Clark charged Rogge with willfully violating Justice Department rules by making a speech based on the quashed report. Then he fired him. …”
This is how democracy dies, not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Now that statement by Miller made some sense.
lots of nasties trying to attack us today, it seems.
My point is that Dennis Kucinich will more than likely fade into obscurity, no impeachment hearings will be held, and the propagandists for the two right wing branches of the one major US political party, masquerading as a “two party system”, will re-write the history of this era to make it seem as if Mr. Bush was a president, in a difficult period in our country’s history, who stepped up, and did what had to be done, to “keep America safe”.
Obama is even making speeches, this week, legitimizing the concept of a “war on terror”…..and he’s “the candidate for change”!
I really believe if just one sitting Republican followed Rep Walter Jones lead they would have folks standing up right behind them. They could win their elections if they took this stance.
He’s made an interesting presentation about signing statements, hasn’t he? Well done.
no questioning of panelists? What’s going on?
Second panel up. No questions, apparently — everyone just registers statements.
Elizabeth Holtzman — yay! Memories of the summer of ‘74. She looks terrific.
PS: The server keeps eating my homework.
hopefully questions after they all give their opening statements. I hope
Even though the MSM really likes to knock Kucinich down…it just does not work. Kucinich is sincere and many honest Republicans, Democrats and Independents recognize this.
Liz Holtzman says the buck stops here, with the House.
Nancy took the buck and put it in her piggy bank.
Elizabeth Holtzman “Impeachment inquiry”
Barr has caught that strange 2001 memo claiming that the Fourth Amendment has no application to “domestic military operations.”
Ross “Rocky” Anderson torture, illegal wiretapping, signing statements etc etc “never has there been a more compelling case for impeachment”
Rocky punching out the lights of the Bush administration and laying it out in front of congress
say more please. Link to memo?
Wow. “Rocky” Anderson is new to me, but he’s great. Outraged by rendition programs and detainee treatment, but now he’s just running through every other offence.
Asks Congress to forbid by statute any attack against Iran except as authorized by UN, etc. And I’m not getting his whole list of advice to Congress, but we should find this from a transcript. It’s a great list.
How come he hasn’t run for congress?
RevDeb, I believe that that memo is still classified, but we’ve heard about it before.
My guess is because he lives in Utah. The bigger question is how did he manage to get elected (and re-elected) as Mayor of SLC?
Presser (Northwestern U) = total admin apologist. Dismissed every argument for impeachment. Impeachment a “radical” remedy. Well: so much for him.
Fein is up.
Stephen Presser “impeachment should not be at the pleasure of the house” The President must cause a grave offense.
Dismissal of U.S. attorneys for political purposes….”not impeachagble
abuse of unitary executive theory “not impeachable
over use of signing statements “not impeachable”
Manipulation of intelligence “not impeachable”
Misuse of authority “not impeachable”
I don’t believe Presser said anything about torture.
LYING UNDER OATH ABOUT A BLOW JOB …IMPEACHABLE
oY VEY
Actually SLC is the corner of the state where the dems live. They even have a dem member of congress whom no one ever hears from, Mattheson.
Bruce Fein on the Bush administration’s abuse of power
http://whazgoinon.wordpress.co.....cy-pelosi/
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/.....e-offense/
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....sh-cheney/
BRUCE HAS BEEN PISSED FOR QUITE A WHILE
Same Repub meanie (aha — King) who cut Holtzman off is telling Conyers to cut Fein off. Sniffy person.
Fein was great. Declaring the GWOT means a Sword of Damocles permanently hanging over citizens’ heads. I was just listening in admiration. Ended with a tribute to Dean for relating Oval Office conversations to Congress.
Maybe ten percent of the members of congress are “honest”….it isn’t enough, kinda like Cindy Sheehan at camp Crawford, “wasn’t enough”. My theory is, that what you are watching…hearings, Obama vs. McBush, is similar to adult day care. It’s there to distract from the planning you ought to be doing, because “the system” is owned by some people wealthy and powerful enough to put the frontmen who they sign off on, in the big jobs…and Obama is the next one who they’ve signed off on….in response to perceived discontent. But it isn’t “change”, why would they truly offer any change of what they already own? Kucinich et al are today’s adult day care feature, they give you “hope”. A year ago, “hope” was invested in “fitz”. Focus on the head of the beast, not the presentation in fits’ courtroom or in today’s impeachment “pre-hearing”. It’s presented to keep you watching, and not doing anything else….but “hoping”!
How many Iraqi people have died?
http://www.prwatch.org/node/7034
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t.....469636.ece
No one mentions the 4 million Iraqi refugees
BUGLIOSI GETS APPLAUSE
Bugliosi — total rhetoric, over teh top, but big burst of applause.
Smith wants the room cleared because of the outburst. *major eyeroll*
Rabkin is a crock.
Jeremy Rabkin (George Mason U): trying to make it sound as though everything except Iraq invasion only of secondary concern — mocking other charges as undisciplined. Quoting Rehnquist on war-time presidents — they don’t worry much about the Constitution. (Hey — some of us have noticed!)
Mood in this room, the tone — I think it’s slightly demented. (This is hilarious.) People in rest of country don’t think it’s reasonable to describe president as if he were Caligula. (No? Well, it’s true he has yet to appoint one of his horses a senator.)
I think I heard them laughing and groaning at Rabkin when he finished. What a tool.
PS: My second para is paraphrase of Rabkin — that’s not me.
Hello Jeremy Rabkin Former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O’Neil said that the very first meetings of the Bush administration were focused on Iraq in the winter of 2001. Let’s see then we have the Bush administration ignoring Richard Clarkes warnings, ignoring El Baradei, Kofi anan, CIA analyst, Scott Ritter etc etc. Then the Office of speical plans creating, disseminating false intelligence about WMD’s, too few troops sent in, looting of Iraqi’s treasures while protecting the oil sites, disbanding the Iraqi army, blowing up of mosque , torture torture torture.
This guy is an ass. Amazing that the Senate allowed Jeremy Rabkin to be on a committee for whatever Peace Committee he is on. Sure does not look good for any efforts towards Peace with an arrogant ass like Rabkin
How many times will America’s voters and Congress accept the administration’s plea, “Just trust me”?
Oh yeah I forgot those behind closed door Chney energy Task Force meetings where it is ‘alleged’ that Iraq was divided up by the oil companies
They also vigorously applauded Bugliosi, prompting a minority demand that Conyers either clear the room, or at least admonish the audience. Conyers chose to admonish.
Bob in HI
King wanted the room cleared. He doesn’t want to be there nor does he want any witnesses to this.
Not that it matters. It isn’t going to go anywhere.
I think that Schwarz is making the academic historian’s argument, against impeachment but emphasizing the importance of filling in the record, finding the truth, etc.
Adams (Veterans for Peace): solid moral statement.
That was Smith asking for the room to be cleared. Not King. King’s job is to watch the clock and request “regular order.”
So, you were all impressed with Vince the Buggy?
I stand corrected. It was Smith.
Rocky taking down Presser. I love it.
I liked him. So did the crowd.
“Rocky” Anderson is clear and unaffected. Pence and King ‘atrocious scholarship” “fraud by this administration”
Oh, mostly no — he was way over the top, I would say, purely rhetorical. But it was a crowd pleaser — maybe people need the relief.
Rocky Anderson has long been very impressive, and not just on this subject. Being in the west here, I have seen him off and on for a decade or more. He was an awesome voice for all kinds of good things from the unlikely perch of SLC mayor’s office. He has been on the environmental horse for a long time too. His problem is that, as noted above, there is already a Dem representative from the area where his strength is, and there is no way he can win a statewide election in Utah. Yet. Another 4-6 years might change that.
That guy to the left behind Rocky Anderson looks like David Crosby
Damn, but Fein is good. Quoting Robert Jackson from Nuremberg now. “If we do not now rebuke these powers, they will lie around like loaded weapons.” (His paraphrase.)
Bruce Fein’s laser beam let the light in.